[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by AM415

hmm...the educated elite of bombay and the rest of india actually prefer bollywood movies to hollywood. The only difference is, the educated elite go to the expensive theaters to watch the movie.

why would they do that, when they have dvd players at home? i mean who is renting all those american movies in those video stores? some of which carry the bulk are hollywood movies?

[GOTFIVEONIT]

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[GOTFIVEONIT]

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[WarriorAndWiseman]

GOTFIVEONIT your choice in movies is as bad as your posts and that's saying a lot!!!

[WarriorAndWiseman]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

its pretty common knoweldge. why else do so many desi uncles cheat on thier wives with prostitues?

Again I ask, how do you know?

do the muslims or any other religious minority in pak subjected to mass murders? did a gujarat style riot, with the blessing of the state govt ever occur in pakistan?

We had our own Lal Masjid fiasco. Didn't enough people die in it for you not to forget it?

are churches bombed all over pak the way they are in india? if a christian ran for elected office, would their religion be used as an execuse to bash them towards the electorate?

There was a case in Karachi in the aftermath of the razing of Babri Masjid where some poor christian sweeper was beaten up and then burnt by a mob. Pakistanis aren't angels.

these are the things that the hindu bjp have done in india. so after seeing all of this, yes jinnah and the muslim league were right to partition india. mughal culture is alive and well in pakistan

Mughals ended up becoming a disgrace,

while my own cousins in india cannot even read and write in the urdu langauge. i read urdu better than they do! and im self-taught and read only on a 6th grade level.

But can they write in and talk in Hindi?

in fact im very impressed by the pakistani media, its vastly different from the hindu media that is bombarded in india. pakistani sattelite channels are extremely popular among the muslims in india.

The Pakistani media is way more governament controlled and censored than its Indian counterpart.

i mean do you have the muslim league in pakistan, chanting 'death to hindus'? or 'death to christians'? are any minority place of worship subject to demolition the way that occured with babri masjid and so many other mosques across india? the answer is simple, N.O.

There are enough sects chanting simillar slogans for each other.

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by WarriorAndWiseman

GOTFIVEONIT your choice in movies is as bad as your posts and that's saying a lot!!!

this coming out of a dorky ass fob. its not the first time i have heard this crap outta people like you. go back and your bollywood crap, its made for third world villagers like you.

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by WarriorAndWiseman

Again I ask, how do you know?

then just who the hell is going to all those prostitutes in heera mandi? it doesnt take a genius to figure this out.

We had our own Lal Masjid fiasco. Didn't enough people die in it for you not to forget it?

That's a different thing, your talking about a cult that was armed to the teeth. it was more like pakistan's waco if anything else. did musharrif get up on tv and declare that the lal masjid followers 'breed like rats'? no, but the hindu bjp leader, a sindhi btw, advani declared 'muslims in india breed like rats'.

does the Muslim League in Pakistan take out nationwide marches, and along the route are nothing but ant-minority riots where thousands lay dead? NO. but this happens in India ALL THE TIME against MUSLIMS.

There was a case in Karachi in the aftermath of the razing of Babri Masjid where some poor christian sweeper was beaten up and then burnt by a mob. Pakistanis aren't angels.

Ya but were politicians responsible for that? Why dont you read about the murderous past of the bjp, rss and the shiv sena. look at what the shiv sena did to Muslims in Bombay. Their own leader bal thackery told his followers "Allah Ko Wapas Bajao!" (send them back to Allah!)

Mumbai rioters exposed, but justice stays blind

i suggest you click on that link.

Mughals ended up becoming a disgrace,

All empires die in the end. look at Rome after all. It still doesnt wipe away all the achievements they had made.

But can they write in and talk in Hindi?

yes and english too, but is Sanskritized Hindi the language of thier parents? NO, all the older generation reads Urdu.

The Pakistani media is way more governament controlled and censored than its Indian counterpart.

you didnt get my point i was making. i was also talking about media in entertainment, literature, the arts, etc. not just news. and it presents Muslim culture from a Muslim point of view.

Jinnah was right, Muslims and Hindus are two seperate cultures, two seperate nations.

There are enough sects chanting simillar slogans for each other.

sectarian violence is one thing, but is the Muslim League, the founding Party of Pakistan, chanting "death to Hindus" "death to sikhs' "death to christans'? NO they are not. while the Hindu BJP in india, who even mangaged to get elected to the prime ministers office, not once but twice, chanted "Only two destinations for Musalman's, to Pakistan or Qabarstan!" as they demolished babri Masjid.

such occurences by major political parties dont occur in pakistan. if anything, political parties in pakistan are non-communal.

http://www.storyofpakistan.com/artic...rtid=A129&Pg=2

No constitutional plan would be workable or acceptable to the Muslims unless geographical contiguous units are demarcated into regions which should be so constituted with such territorial readjustments as may be necessary. That the areas in which the Muslims are numerically in majority as in the North-Western and Eastern zones of India should be grouped to constitute independent states in which the constituent units shall be autonomous and sovereign.

That adequate, effective and mandatory safeguards shall be specifically provided in the constitution for minorities in the units and in the regions for the protection of their religious, cultural, economic, political, administrative and other rights of the minorities, with their consultation. Arrangements thus should be made for the security of Muslims where they were in a minority

In the words of Quaid-i-Azam: "Hindus and the Muslims belong to two different religions, philosophies, social customs and literature. They neither inter-marry nor inter-dine and, indeed, they belong to two different civilizations that are based mainly on conflicting ideas and conceptions. Their concepts on life and of life are different. It is quite clear that Hindus and Muslims derive their inspiration from different sources of history. They have different epics, different heroes and different episodes. Very often the hero of one is a foe of the other, and likewise, their victories and defeats overlap. To yoke together two such nations under a single state, one as a numerical minority and the other as a majority, must lead to growing discontent and final destruction of any fabric that may be so built up for the government of such a state".

He further said, "Mussalmans are a nation according to any definition of nation. We wish our people to develop to the fullest spiritual, cultural, economic, social and political life in a way that we think best and in consonance with our own ideals and according to the genius of our people".

[Pushpa]

"Transformers" - at the IMAX.

It was surprisingly enjoyable, even though it did give me a headache and motion sickness for a while in the middle.

[AwazS]

i watched Run, Fatboy, Run, and that was really rubbish.
Seriously, english folk have such disgusting sense of humour. eww.

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by Pushpa

"Transformers" - at the IMAX.

It was surprisingly enjoyable, even though it did give me a headache and motion sickness for a while in the middle.

its already out on dvd over here

[jaani]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

you didnt get my point i was making. i was also talking about media in entertainment, literature, the arts, etc. not just news. and it presents Muslim culture from a Muslim point of view.

Jinnah was right, Muslims and Hindus are two seperate cultures, two seperate nations.

you do know that the west has a great impact on the east, specifically speaking about India and Pakistan?!


~j

[WarriorAndWiseman]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

then just who the hell is going to all those prostitutes in heera mandi? it doesnt take a genius to figure this out.

The men who go there are corrupt figures to start off with. Politicians making up the biggest number in that group. Unmarried men go there as well. They don't represent Desi uncles whos wives refuse to pleasure them (your words).

does the Muslim League in Pakistan take out nationwide marches, and along the route are nothing but ant-minority riots where thousands lay dead? NO. but this happens in India ALL THE TIME against MUSLIMS.

Oh no. Rather we have massive rallies where bombs go off and wipe out 150 people in one go. Thousands lay dead? Rather we get the dead lying in a thousand peices...

All empires die in the end. look at Rome after all. It still doesnt wipe away all the achievements they had made.

...And Roman culture is alive and well today??.. just exactly what do you mean by Mughal culture anyway?

yes and english too, but is Sanskritized Hindi the language of thier parents? NO, all the older generation reads Urdu.

How many American Pakistanis speak and write Urdu? Somethings are inevitable. Being able to read hindi and not urdu doesn't make them non-muslims.

Jinnah was right, Muslims and Hindus are two seperate cultures, two seperate nations.

Jinnahs motives rather the motives of his band of followers remain questionable to this day.

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by WarriorAndWiseman

heera mandi wast just one example, what about bombay's grant road red light district? those aint politicians going there, those are cab drivers and riskhawalas. your typical average desi uncle, who usually end up having daughters at home the same age as those girls. i have seen desi uncles walking out of pasha nightclub over here.

political violence is very commonplace in that region of the world, but you dont have sectarian politics, meaning you dont have major politcal parties, such as the muslim league saying hindus breed like flies, the way the hindu bjp does in india. thats why i say pakistan treats its minorites better than india does. after all, in pakistan, minorities have seats reserved for them in parliament, something im impressed by, and something india does not do.

you know all the biryani you eat, you know those shalwar kameez you wear? you know its worn in afghanistan too? because it was part of the mughal empire, and thats mughal culture there, architecture, history, arts, literature, paintings, poetry etc. while its dying in india, its alive and well in pakistan.

But Muslim's in India are living in a country that is native to them. For centuries Muslims in India have been reading and writing in Urdu - not anymore.

Jinnahs motives rather the motives of his band of followers remain questionable to this day.

only in india, and usually among Hindus. I too have questioned them once, till i saw the rise of the bjp and the hindu fanatics. Jinnah was right all along, that man was a visionary, everything he predicted came true in India. Even to this day, the All-India Muslim League, a party that has a rather large following among Muslims in northern India (U.P.) still get's blamed for partition.

Hindus and Muslims are two seperate Nations, two seperate cultures, two seperate identities. and its something that gets Muslims into alot of trouble with Hindus in India because of that.

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by jaani

you do know that the west has a great impact on the east, specifically speaking about India and Pakistan?!


~j

try watching the pakistan tv channels here sometime Free Online TV: Watch Free Global TV and Online Video from JumpTV --Online Television --English and you will know what im talking about.