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Posted 01 April 2012 - 03:43 PM

Totally awesome and inspirational. Check out this family that literally produces only a handful of trash every 6 months (the amount of trash that this family produced in 6 months is there in that wine glass!):

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The average American throws out about 1,000 pounds of garbage every year, according to the U.S. EPA.

The Johnson family in California has created only one handful of trash in six months.

This family of four aims to reach zero waste – producing no trash going to landfill – or as close to it as possible. And they’re already pretty close.

The Johnsons, who live just north of San Francisco in Mill Valley, aren’t just simply recycling their way to reach zero waste.

“Recycling is a last resort,” says Béa Johnson, who led her family’s waste reduction efforts and chronicles her experience in the blog, The Zero Waste Home.

Johnson is referring to the fact that while recycling is better for the environment than extracting and manufacturing raw materials, it still uses energy and creates pollution.

To make her home zero waste, Johnson relied on the three Rs of the recycling hierarchy in their order: reduce, reuse and recycle. Johnson even added her own R to the front of the hierarchy: refuse.

Why the Johnsons Went Zero Waste
Three years ago, the Johnsons decided to adopt a simpler lifestyle with less stuff and more meaning.
They moved out of their 3,000 square-foot house in a pedestrian- and bicycle-unfriendly suburb east of San Francisco and bought their current 1,400 square-foot home near downtown Mill Valley, where they can walk to shops and restaurants. They purged their belongings, keeping only the necessities.
“We started eating less meat and driving our cars less. And then I attacked our waste. I started shopping in bulk, but realized I could go further,” Johnson says.

READ: Reduce Your Food Waste in 10 Minutes

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Johnson buys nuts, nut butters, dried fruits and other snacks in bulk in reusable cloth bags and transfers them to glass jars when she gets home. She also stores her homemade preserves in glass jars. Photo: Alexis Petru, Earth911

Johnson buys everything she can in bulk – from grains, snacks and tea, to lotions, shampoo and Castile soap. She brings her own reusable containers to the store to transport items home: cloth bags for dry goods, glass jars for wet items like meat and cheese and refillable bottles for bath products. She takes fresh loaves of bread from the bakery home in pillowcases.

Forgoing canned food, she makes her own condiments like horseradish and mustard and annually cans her own preserves. She uses vinegar to make her own cleaning products and mixes baking soda and the sweetening herb stevia to make the family’s toothpaste.


If she can’t find a zero-waste or recyclable alternative for a product, Johnson makes sure to contact the company to ask that they green their operations: from the plastic strip in the Netflix envelope, to the 3-D glasses and plastic wrapper her son recently brought home from the movies.

But the Johnsons’ report card isn’t spotless. They haven’t been able to ditch their two cars for longer trips, and Johnson knows carbon offsets don’t really make up for the family’s annual trips to France to visit her family. But reducing waste was a way to live a more sustainable life that worked for them.

Misconceptions of the Zero Waste Home

Publishing their journey to zero waste on her blog has attracted both supporters and “haters,” as Johnson calls them, who have several misconceptions about her family’s lifestyle.

Johnson understands the confusion surrounding her family’s way of life.

“Five years ago, if someone told me they had a zero waste lifestyle, I would have thought, ‘are they nuts? Does it take them all day to do those things?’” she says.


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Johnson purchases dry goods like grains and flour in bulk in reusable cloth bags and stores them in glass jars in the cupboard. Photo: Alexis Petru, Earth911


Misconception #1: It takes too much time

Many of the family’s critics assume Johnson’s zero-waste lifestyle is a full-time effort. But Johnson, who works three part-time jobs, says going zero waste isn’t as time-consuming as people think. With all the systems in place, the Johnson family has zero waste on autopilot, she says.

Johnson says people forget that dealing with trash takes time: sorting through junk mail and removing and discarding or recycling packaging from new purchases.

“Now that we’re not burdened by stuff, we have more time do things we truly enjoy. I have more time to play with my kids,” Johnson says.


Misconception #2: It’s too expensive

The family actually saves money by buying in bulk, avoiding packaged and processed foods and reducing their overall purchasing, Johnson says.

“People think we must be rich, but we’ve had a rough time the last two years, like everyone else, with both of us [her husband and herself] working for startups,” she says.


Misconception #3: They feel deprived

Critics worry that the Johnsons, especially the kids, are missing out on the joy of life. “We don’t feel deprived,” Johnson says. “Our standard of living has increased.”

The Johnsons encourage family members to give their sons, ages 9 and 11, gifts of experiences, rather than just toys for presents. The boys are allowed as many toys as can fit into four bins.

When Johnson asked her sons what they wanted for Christmas last year, one of them responded, “I have too many Legos. No more Legos.”

3 Tips for Going Zero Waste
Johnson understands that her family’s routine will not work for everyone. You have to strike a balance and find what works for you, she says. Johnson gave her top three tips to help Earth911 readers go beyond recycling:

1. Graduate from just bringing your own shopping bags to the grocery store, Johnson says, and use reusable bags to buy produce as well.

2. Think twice before buying plastic products, and make sure you buy only what you really need. “Shopping is voting,” Johnson says.

3. Refuse junk mail through sites like dmachoice.org and catalogchoice.org.

source: http://earth911.com/...johnson-family/
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Posted 02 April 2012 - 08:07 AM

That's the best environmental story I've heard in some time.
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Posted 02 April 2012 - 11:51 AM

View PostBaronChairman, on 02 April 2012 - 08:07 AM, said:

That's the best environmental story I've heard in some time.


I loved this article. It just goes to show that producing no waste (or little waste) CAN be done. Sure, it's a committment, but it's one that I think all of us have the responsibility to try. The family even said that they arent' expecting the whole world to do what they do, but it is important that we at least TRY to reduce our waste a bit. Recycling, composting, reusing, choosing NOT to use plastic bags and instead using glass bowls, cloth bags at grocery store, buying a water filter and then using stainless steel water bottles...these are all ways we can reduce our waste that takes little to no effort.

Not to mention, it's seriously good for the soul. I've been on spring break for a few days now and I've been wrist deep in dirt yanking weeds out and getting my compost bin ready for this spring and it's the calmest that I've felt in months. People who don't spend any time reflecting on the environment or nature don't know what they are missing. It's rewarding knowing that what you do is helping the planet AND it's so spiritually fulfilling. I've gotten to the point where environmentalism is the way that I find myself closest to Allah. The descriptions of Jannah are always rich with nature imagery, but we barely give two hoots about nature here on Earth. We should be caring more.
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Posted 02 April 2012 - 04:50 PM

Waste management professionals are real people, with real families and hungry mouths to feed.

I can't imagine how this lady sleeps at night, knowing that she's taking away a man's paycheck with her reckless behavior.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 05:17 PM

View Postjigglypottamus, on 02 April 2012 - 04:50 PM, said:

Waste management professionals are real people, with real families and hungry mouths to feed.

I can't imagine how this lady sleeps at night, knowing that she's taking away a man's paycheck with her reckless behavior.


the same way all weird people like this sleep at night... with a lot of hippie wine.
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Posted 03 April 2012 - 12:03 PM

View Postjigglypottamus, on 02 April 2012 - 04:50 PM, said:

Waste management professionals are real people, with real families and hungry mouths to feed.

I can't imagine how this lady sleeps at night, knowing that she's taking away a man's paycheck with her reckless behavior.


Oh, I know. What a tyrant she is. :p
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 05:59 AM

almost all reusable shopping bags are contaminated with e. coli. no thanks..
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 08:38 AM

View Postdisplaced, on 04 April 2012 - 05:59 AM, said:

almost all reusable shopping bags are contaminated with e. coli. no thanks..


Ummm....then wash it? And where on earth did you hear this? This is a terrible excuse to not use a cloth bag. Did you know that almost everyones cell phones have e.coli on them? Are you going to say no to cell phones too?

If almost all reusable shopping bags have e.coli (which you can treat and fix yourself), then perhaps change your mentality to "but ALL plastic bags sit in the dump piles for generations." Let's see which one is worse.
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 05:52 PM

View PostEirinnMoChroi, on 04 April 2012 - 08:38 AM, said:

Ummm....then wash it? And where on earth did you hear this? This is a terrible excuse to not use a cloth bag. Did you know that almost everyones cell phones have e.coli on them? Are you going to say no to cell phones too?

If almost all reusable shopping bags have e.coli (which you can treat and fix yourself), then perhaps change your mentality to "but ALL plastic bags sit in the dump piles for generations." Let's see which one is worse.


http://uanews.org/node/32521

fact of the matter is that unwashed fruits and vegetables are nasty.

i just say no to things that are more of an inconvenience to my already hectic life. i don't mind the plastic bags in the dump to be honest. i use my plastic bags to line the waste baskets and then they get thrown out.
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 06:41 PM

View Postdisplaced, on 04 April 2012 - 05:52 PM, said:

http://uanews.org/node/32521

fact of the matter is that unwashed fruits and vegetables are nasty.

i just say no to things that are more of an inconvenience to my already hectic life. i don't mind the plastic bags in the dump to be honest. i use my plastic bags to line the waste baskets and then they get thrown out.


I just wrote a post complete with a picture showing the dimensions of a trash pile floating in the Pacific Ocean that, when compacted close together, is twice the size of Hawaii (and thats just one of the 4 other massive piles of waste trapped in the oceanic gyres)...but I just realized that, since you don't care that your waste ends up in the dump, you probably wouldnt care to see a picture of the effects of that, either.

I wish my life was so hectic that I could just stop caring about important world issues. Must be nice. Glad I have a little extra 30 seconds that it takes to toss my cloth bags along in the wash with my clothing every once in awhile. Whew.
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 06:25 AM

View PostEirinnMoChroi, on 04 April 2012 - 06:41 PM, said:

I just wrote a post complete with a picture showing the dimensions of a trash pile floating in the Pacific Ocean that, when compacted close together, is twice the size of Hawaii (and thats just one of the 4 other massive piles of waste trapped in the oceanic gyres)...but I just realized that, since you don't care that your waste ends up in the dump, you probably wouldnt care to see a picture of the effects of that, either.

I wish my life was so hectic that I could just stop caring about important world issues. Must be nice. Glad I have a little extra 30 seconds that it takes to toss my cloth bags along in the wash with my clothing every once in awhile. Whew.


i wouldn't wash my cloth bags with my clothing just as i won't wash my scrubs and lab coats with my clothing.

and you're right..i wouldn't care to see your picture :)
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 09:07 AM

View Postdisplaced, on 05 April 2012 - 06:25 AM, said:

i wouldn't wash my cloth bags with my clothing just as i won't wash my scrubs and lab coats with my clothing.

and you're right..i wouldn't care to see your picture :)


Classy lady. Thanks for coming to my thread to post how much you DONT care about what this family does. If you're so crunched for time, perhaps post on things you DO care about? Glad to know that your hectic life doesn't have time for cloth bags but it does have time to post useless arguements on Islamica in threads that had no intention of even being controversial. This thread is about a family that is living a green life. Why do you come in here to start problems? What a waste of both of our time. Get a hobby.

As for everyone else who actually does give a crap about the environment, I hope you can take what you can from this article and do your bit to help out. Nobody has to go gung-ho like them, but small changes really do make a difference when it's done among so many people. I really feel it's our Islamic responsibility to do this. Allah gave us this one home and He didnt give it to us so we could abuse it. Unfortunately, it's whats happening. We need to be considering the future generations, the safety of the wildlife (I can't even express how much animals are suffering right now), and the wellbeing of our own health and our children. It's brushed under the rug becuase we don't SEE the problem in front of our face and the consequences won't happen tomorrow. We don't like making changes to our convenient lifestyle, but it's extremely selfish not to at this point.

For those who are interested in environmentalism and wants to hear about it from an Islamic standpoint, this is a great book that I've been reading. This just goes to show that caring about the planet is something that's been rooted in our religion forever. God gave us this planet and He expects us to care for it. The Ummah needs to step it up and start.

"Muslims are compelled by their religion to praise the Creator and to care for their community. But what is not widely known is that there are deep and long-standing connections between Islamic teachings and environmentalism. In this groundbreaking book, Ibrahim Abdul-Matin draws on research, scripture, and interviews with Muslim Americans to trace Islam’s preoccupation with humankind’s collective role as stewards of the Earth. Abdul-Matin points out that the Prophet Muhammad declared that “the Earth is a mosque.”"

http://www.amazon.co...t/dp/1605094641
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 05:45 PM

View PostEirinnMoChroi, on 05 April 2012 - 09:07 AM, said:

Classy lady. Thanks for coming to my thread to post how much you DONT care about what this family does. If you're so crunched for time, perhaps post on things you DO care about? Glad to know that your hectic life doesn't have time for cloth bags but it does have time to post useless arguements on Islamica in threads that had no intention of even being controversial. This thread is about a family that is living a green life. Why do you come in here to start problems? What a waste of both of our time. Get a hobby.

As for everyone else who actually does give a crap about the environment, I hope you can take what you can from this article and do your bit to help out. Nobody has to go gung-ho like them, but small changes really do make a difference when it's done among so many people. I really feel it's our Islamic responsibility to do this. Allah gave us this one home and He didnt give it to us so we could abuse it. Unfortunately, it's whats happening. We need to be considering the future generations, the safety of the wildlife (I can't even express how much animals are suffering right now), and the wellbeing of our own health and our children. It's brushed under the rug becuase we don't SEE the problem in front of our face and the consequences won't happen tomorrow. We don't like making changes to our convenient lifestyle, but it's extremely selfish not to at this point.

For those who are interested in environmentalism and wants to hear about it from an Islamic standpoint, this is a great book that I've been reading. This just goes to show that caring about the planet is something that's been rooted in our religion forever. God gave us this planet and He expects us to care for it. The Ummah needs to step it up and start.

"Muslims are compelled by their religion to praise the Creator and to care for their community. But what is not widely known is that there are deep and long-standing connections between Islamic teachings and environmentalism. In this groundbreaking book, Ibrahim Abdul-Matin draws on research, scripture, and interviews with Muslim Americans to trace Islam’s preoccupation with humankind’s collective role as stewards of the Earth. Abdul-Matin points out that the Prophet Muhammad declared that “the Earth is a mosque.”"

http://www.amazon.co...t/dp/1605094641


all i posted was that research has shown that most reusable bags are contaminated with e. coli (btw..i didn't read the article farther than reusable bags), a fact that you at first refused to believe. you're the one who proceeded to derail the thread when you starting having your meltdown.
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 10:26 PM

View Postdisplaced, on 05 April 2012 - 05:45 PM, said:

all i posted was that research has shown that most reusable bags are contaminated with e. coli (btw..i didn't read the article farther than reusable bags), a fact that you at first refused to believe. you're the one who proceeded to derail the thread when you starting having your meltdown.


Classic comeback. I disagree with you so it must mean I had a meltdown.

Again, your argument against cloth bags doesn't hold a candle to the germs that are on cell phones. If you hate e.coli and don't want it anywhere near you, get rid of the device that is covered in more germs AND pressed up against your face and mouth.

What makes me mad, Displaced, is that you don't even have the decency to even try. A cloth bag is too inconvenient? Really? It's the worlds easiest thing that you could possibly do. With all the research and new information out there about how desperatly we NEED to green our lifestyle, you actually care so little that you say you don't even mind that landfills are filled with plastic bags. "Don't mind" is literally what you said. I've been around a lot of ignorant people, but Ive NEVER heard anyone actually say "I just don't mind" in my entire life. And for that to come out of a member of my religious community...Im honestly shocked.

I just hope other people read this post and are inspired to actually care. However, they wont read it nor will they care since its not about husbands or babies or clothing or decor. That seems to be the only thing that gets Islamica women talking these days.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 06:05 AM

View PostEirinnMoChroi, on 05 April 2012 - 10:26 PM, said:

Classic comeback. I disagree with you so it must mean I had a meltdown.

Again, your argument against cloth bags doesn't hold a candle to the germs that are on cell phones. If you hate e.coli and don't want it anywhere near you, get rid of the device that is covered in more germs AND pressed up against your face and mouth.

What makes me mad, Displaced, is that you don't even have the decency to even try. A cloth bag is too inconvenient? Really? It's the worlds easiest thing that you could possibly do. With all the research and new information out there about how desperatly we NEED to green our lifestyle, you actually care so little that you say you don't even mind that landfills are filled with plastic bags. "Don't mind" is literally what you said. I've been around a lot of ignorant people, but Ive NEVER heard anyone actually say "I just don't mind" in my entire life. And for that to come out of a member of my religious community...Im honestly shocked.

I just hope other people read this post and are inspired to actually care. However, they wont read it nor will they care since its not about husbands or babies or clothing or decor. That seems to be the only thing that gets Islamica women talking these days.


if this is the most shocking thing you've heard from someone in your religious community, you haven't gotten around much.

the difference between my cellphone and cloth bags is that it's far more convenient to keep my cellphone than be bothered with bags. no, i just don't mind. get over your self-righteousness. not everyone will share your beliefs.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 09:03 AM

View Postdisplaced, on 06 April 2012 - 06:05 AM, said:

if this is the most shocking thing you've heard from someone in your religious community, you haven't gotten around much.

the difference between my cellphone and cloth bags is that it's far more convenient to keep my cellphone than be bothered with bags. no, i just don't mind. get over your self-righteousness. not everyone will share your beliefs.


Here's an idea: if you're going to debate with someone online, at least quote them correctly. Did I say this was the most shocking thing Muslims do? No I did not. I'd said it shocks me. Putting words in my mouth that aren't there proves nothing but your inability to properly read my post.

I'm not self righteous, sweetheart. I'm responsible and realistic. We're done here. Thank god not everyone thinks like you.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 09:56 AM

eirinn, while i understand your sentiment (who doesn't want to do right by the world?), you shouldn't degrade people for not using cloth bags. maybe they have their reasons. and maybe you disagree with them. that's what a forum is for.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 12:48 PM

View Posthijabihoodlum, on 06 April 2012 - 09:56 AM, said:

eirinn, while i understand your sentiment (who doesn't want to do right by the world?), you shouldn't degrade people for not using cloth bags. maybe they have their reasons. and maybe you disagree with them. that's what a forum is for.




Degradation is no mature way to handle an arguement, I agree, but I am not the only one relying on it here. I do appreciate your efforts to calm down the arguemnt and I believe it should end now, but I certainly wasn't the only bad guy. She and I have been bouncing that tennis ball back and forth the whole time equally. Calling my arguments "meltdowns" and calling me self righteous is just as degrading as me referring to her as "sweetheart" and telling her to properly read my posts.

This entire post was to highlight the good deeds of a family who is trying to better their environment. Trash accumulation directly harms the health of fellow human beings and animals and on THAT note alone, it is our Islamic responsibility to do something about it. It not only harms and kills wild animals on land and in the ocean, but the run off from waste contaminates the ground water that WE drink. Cloth bags wont fix the problem, but it's literally the easiest thing that someone could do to green their shopping trip with absolutely NO effort involved. It's laziness at it's very worst to say you can't be bothered to even try. I'm sorry, but it is.

Nobody here needs to be as gung ho as me, but don't post on my threads saying things like "I dont care about trash accumulation in dumps." Have a little more class than that.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 01:07 PM

View PostEirinnMoChroi, on 06 April 2012 - 12:48 PM, said:


If someone chooses not to use a cloth bag, whatever. Welcome to the majority of Earth's population. But to be totally indifferent to the harmful accumulation of trash, to the point where you'd fight against the simplest way to contrinute to the solution, just blows my mind.

i don't think displaced is fighting your solution. she's just saying she doesn't plan to use them herself, and i think having a little fun at your self-proclaimed "rabid environmentalism."

that being said, i always forget my re-usable bags in the car or at home.

also, i think it's a little fishy, the original article, about how that whole family only produces one cup of waste. hm.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 10:16 PM

View PostEirinnMoChroi, on 06 April 2012 - 12:48 PM, said:

Degradation is no mature way to handle an arguement, I agree, but I am not the only one relying on it here. I do appreciate your efforts to calm down the arguemnt and I believe it should end now, but I certainly wasn't the only bad guy. She and I have been bouncing that tennis ball back and forth the whole time equally. Calling my arguments "meltdowns" and calling me self righteous is just as degrading as me referring to her as "sweetheart" and telling her to properly read my posts.

This entire post was to highlight the good deeds of a family who is trying to better their environment. Trash accumulation directly harms the health of fellow human beings and animals and on THAT note alone, it is our Islamic responsibility to do something about it. It not only harms and kills wild animals on land and in the ocean, but the run off from waste contaminates the ground water that WE drink. Cloth bags wont fix the problem, but it's literally the easiest thing that someone could do to green their shopping trip with absolutely NO effort involved. It's laziness at it's very worst to say you can't be bothered to even try. I'm sorry, but it is.

Nobody here needs to be as gung ho as me, but don't post on my threads saying things like "I dont care about trash accumulation in dumps." Have a little more class than that.


i really haven't been reading your posts word for word because you're being childish and idiotic. if you're going to behave that way, i can't take you seriously.

you announced that you were going to post a photo of a pile of trash in the ocean but decided not to since i wouldn't care. my replying that i didn't, in fact, care wasn't volunteered. you asked and you received.

you are rude. this whole load of nonsense has stemmed from your bitchiness regarding a comment i made about reusable bags, and guess what, little girl? if you're going to dish it out, you're going to get it right back. now grow up. thanks.
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