[roberto]

Truth about how UK Muslims exploit polygamy benefits revealed
ANI Sep 25, 2011, 12.12pm ISTTags:
United Kingdom|polygamy
LONDON: Two experienced Lancashire social workers say that in their estimation, there are 20,000 bigamous or polygamous unions in the UK.

Although the government says there are only 1,000 such bigamous or polygamous unions in the UK, the two experienced Lancashire social workers -- one of Indian-English heritage and the other with Pakistani origin, said multiple marriages are encouraged by a welfare system which allows a second, third or fourth wife to be treated as a single mother who gets a house and an array of other state payments for herself and her children
http://articles.time...mous-lancashire

[roberto]

roberto, on 26 September 2011 - 10:34 AM, said:

Truth about how UK Muslims exploit polygamy benefits revealed
ANI Sep 25, 2011, 12.12pm ISTTags:
United Kingdom|polygamy
LONDON: Two experienced Lancashire social workers say that in their estimation, there are 20,000 bigamous or polygamous unions in the UK.

Although the government says there are only 1,000 such bigamous or polygamous unions in the UK, the two experienced Lancashire social workers -- one of Indian-English heritage and the other with Pakistani origin, said multiple marriages are encouraged by a welfare system which allows a second, third or fourth wife to be treated as a single mother who gets a house and an array of other state payments for herself and her children
http://articles.time...mous-lancashire

On reading this article I was more concerned at the plight of the multiple wife’s, rather than the abuse of the welfare state and my thoughts went back to this comment:

“ I am a feminist. I am also a convert. There is no way that I would have EVER joined a religion that taught men's inherent superiority over women or that they should be allowed to accept this type of behaviour” which was part of a post by Vaush007, made in response to the post “How Should We Treat the Muslims in Our Midst?”

Do they really want to be one of many wifes?

[bravotwozero]

roberto, on 27 September 2011 - 05:03 PM, said:

Do they really want to be one of many wifes?

If you are implying that they were all forced into a polygamous marriages, as opposed to marriages being consensual, then I'd like to see you substantiate your claims.

[roberto]

bravotwozero, on 27 September 2011 - 07:20 PM, said:

If you are implying that they were all forced into a polygamous marriages, as opposed to marriages being consensual, then I'd like to see you substantiate your claims.

I’m not implying anything, but I find it hard to believe that this is the sort of relationship that women would want; perhaps the forum females, and in particularly Vaush007, might care to comment

Am I correct in understanding that whilst men can have up to 4 wife’s, women can only have one husband ,please comment on how you see this in terms of equality

[roberto]

roberto, on 28 September 2011 - 10:31 AM, said:

I’m not implying anything, but I find it hard to believe that this is the sort of relationship that women would want; perhaps the forum females, and in particularly Vaush007, might care to comment

Am I correct in understanding that whilst men can have up to 4 wife’s, women can only have one husband ,please comment on how you see this in terms of equality

The lack of response is disappointing but not surprising: its rather sad

[BaronChairman]

roberto, on 02 October 2011 - 07:11 AM, said:

The lack of response is disappointing but not surprising: its rather sad

You might want to save a comment like that for a time when the place is more active. There's virtually no one on Islamica anymore.

[roberto]

Blue_Phoenix, on 02 October 2011 - 08:24 AM, said:

You might want to save a comment like that for a time when the place is more active. There's virtually no one on Islamica anymore.

Yeah thanks, I should have noted

[Kamasatti]

roberto, on 28 September 2011 - 10:31 AM, said:

I’m not implying anything, but I find it hard to believe that this is the sort of relationship that women would want; perhaps the forum females, and in particularly Vaush007, might care to comment

There are certainly quite a few Mormon women who would want polygamy and are in favor of it.

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Am I correct in understanding that whilst men can have up to 4 wife’s, women can only have one husband ,please comment on how you see this in terms of equality

Polygamy is productive while polyandry is counter-productive, and therefore, they are not equal. When the concepts themselves are functionally unequal, then it has nothing to do with equality.

[roberto]

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There are certainly quite a few Mormon women who would want polygamy and are in favor of it.

Really, read my recent post

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Polygamy is productive while polyandry is counter-productive, and therefore, they are not equal. When the concepts themselves are functionally unequal, then it has nothing to do with equality.

Men can be infertile however the factor which you seem to be unaware of is that intercourse is carried out on nearly all occasions for pleasure, not procreation.

I am aware that you have limited experience of the world, heck I’d no idea it was so limited

[Kamasatti]

roberto, on 06 October 2011 - 07:50 AM, said:

Really, read my recent post

It's a little disingenuous of the author to only regard the jealousy and bitterness expressed by one of the women she interviewed as the honest truth, while down-playing the others as if they were just trying to present her with a rosy facade.

Obviously, polygamy isn't something most people want, nor is it something most men can even afford, and if it is done then obviously it should be consentual with all the parties involved. However, most is not all, and that is the point.

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Men can be infertile however the factor which you seem to be unaware of is that intercourse is carried out on nearly all occasions for pleasure, not procreation.

Women can be infertile as well, and intercourse itself for a man isn't equal to what it is for a woman, and vice versa. Furthermore, regardless of the reasons, polygamy and polyandry are still functionally unequal.

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I am aware that you have limited experience of the world, heck I’d no idea it was so limited

You only describe yourself, not me.

[roberto]

name='Kamasatti' timestamp='1317910088' post='451589']

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Obviously, polygamy isn't something most people want, nor is it something most men can even afford, and if it is done then obviously it should be consentual with all the parties involved. However, most is not all, and that is the point.

Do you bother to read past post or have learned from my post

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Women can be infertile as well, and intercourse itself for a man isn't equal to what it is for a woman, and vice versa. Furthermore, regardless of the reasons, polygamy and polyandry are still functionally unequal.

pathetic

[Kamasatti]

roberto, on 06 October 2011 - 12:07 PM, said:

Do you bother to read past post or have learned from my post

Do you not understand that I was responding to your comment about whether there are women who would want to be in a polygamous marriage?

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pathetic

That is exactly what your inability to construct a proper response is.

[roberto]

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Do you not understand that I was responding to your comment about whether there are women who would want to be in a polygamous marriage?

As an initial reply post yes it would have confirmed what I and most westerners believe, but no you initially come out with a load of stupid non applicable and incorrect crap.

You try to be clever and end up, as usual making a fool of yourself

[Kamasatti]

roberto, on 08 October 2011 - 09:14 AM, said:

As an initial reply post yes it would have confirmed what I and most westerners believe,

If you believe that there are no women who would want to be in a polygamous marriage, then you are wrong.

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but no you initially come out with a load of stupid non applicable and incorrect crap.

On the contrary, everything I've said is both applicable and correct.

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You try to be clever and end up, as usual making a fool of yourself

You are confusing yourself with me again.

[roberto]

name='Kamasatti' timestamp='1318086708' post='451951']

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If you believe that there are no women who would want to be in a polygamous marriage, then you are wrong.

Now since i have never suggested such a thing this is just another stupid and pointless comment.

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On the contrary, everything I've said is both applicable and correct.

Rubbish

[Kamasatti]

roberto, on 10 October 2011 - 02:27 PM, said:

Now since i have never suggested such a thing this is just another stupid and pointless comment.

On the contrary, you in fact did suggest such a thing:

you, on 28 September 2011 - 10:31 AM, said:

I’m not implying anything, but I find it hard to believe that this is the sort of relationship that women would want; perhaps the forum females, and in particularly Vaush007, might care to comment ...

That clearly suggests that there are no women who would want such a thing, and that is what I was responding to.

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Rubbish

You are just in denial of reality again, as usual.

[roberto]

Kamasatti, on 10 October 2011 - 03:10 PM, said:

On the contrary, y ou in fact did suggest such a thing:



And that is what I was responding to.



You are just in denial of reality again, as usual.

"I’m not implying anything, but I find it hard to believe that this is the sort of relationship that women would want; perhaps the forum females, and in particularly Vaush007, might care to comment ...



The comment is not inclusive of all women, it does however suggest by implication that it is my opinion that such arrangements would not be agreeable to most women and I stand by that.

How many wives do you have? Would you like more than one?

[Kamasatti]

roberto, on 10 October 2011 - 03:24 PM, said:

"I’m not implying anything, but I find it hard to believe that this is the sort of relationship that women would want; perhaps the forum females, and in particularly Vaush007, might care to comment ...



The comment is not inclusive of all women, it does however suggest by implication that it is my opinion that such arrangements would not be agreeable to most women and I stand by that.

You didn't specify that it wasn't inclusive of all women, or that it was just "most" women, and not "all" women.

Of course most women wouldn't want to be in a polygamous marriage, and likewise, most men wouldn't be able to afford it, and consequently most marriages are monogamous.

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How many wives do you have? Would you like more than one?

I don't have any wives, and if I were to, I certainly wouldn't want to have more than 1.

[roberto]

Kamasatti, on 10 October 2011 - 06:35 PM, said:

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Of course most women wouldn't want to be in a polygamous marriage, and likewise, most men wouldn't be able to afford it, and consequently most marriages are monogamous.

You must pay more attention to the post and thread titles, perhaps then you’d be less of a bore


LONDON: Two experienced Lancashire social workers say that in their estimation, there are 20,000 bigamous or polygamous unions in the UK.

Although the government says there are only 1,000 such bigamous or polygamous unions in the UK, the two experienced Lancashire social workers -- one of Indian-English heritage and the other with Pakistani origin, said multiple marriages are encouraged by a welfare system which allows a second, third or fourth wife to be treated as a single mother who gets a house and an array of other state payments for herself and her children

[Kamasatti]

roberto said:

You must pay more attention to the post and thread titles, perhaps then you’d be less of a bore

Except I wasn't responding to the thread title, I was responding to your comment, Mr. Roboto. This is the third time I'm explaining this to you. Is English a second-language for you or something?

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LONDON: Two experienced Lancashire social workers say that in their estimation, there are 20,000 bigamous or polygamous unions in the UK.

Although the government says there are only 1,000 such bigamous or polygamous unions in the UK, the two experienced Lancashire social workers -- one of Indian-English heritage and the other with Pakistani origin, said multiple marriages are encouraged by a welfare system which allows a second, third or fourth wife to be treated as a single mother who gets a house and an array of other state payments for herself and her children

So polygamous marriages sustain themselves on the welfare system? What exactly is that supposed to prove with regards to what I said? Welfare comes from the government, not the husband, and this still doesn't change the fact that most men still cannot afford polygamous marriages, most women do not want polygamous marriages and consequently most marriages are monogamous.