[SpreadIslaam]

Asalamu Alaikum,

If Eid falls on Friday this year, then the obligation of praying Jummah is lifted as long as you pray salaatul Eid. The following article discusses this in detail: If Eid Falls on a Friday, then the Obligation of Salaatul Jummah is Lifted. Click here to read the article.

Additionally, here is another beneficial article: The Sunnah of Rasulullaah (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) on Eid. Click here to read the article.

[nectar]

Difference of opinion:
From Sunnipath
From Sunnipath

Just lettin' people know.

[SpreadIslaam]

nectar, on 05 September 2010 - 11:33 AM, said:

Difference of opinion:
From Sunnipath
From Sunnipath

Just lettin' people know.

Yes, but we stick to the opinion that is from the Sunnah of Rasulullaah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam). What Rasulullaah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) did is better than what those who came 400 to 500 years after wards invented.

[jigglypottamus]

uh ... did you even read the links that nectar posted?

[SpreadIslaam]

Sunnipath is a website that openly promotes shirk. No knowledge should be taken from Sunnipath period because of their blatant promotion of shirk.

Links were they promote shirk:
http://qa.sunnipath....D=3185&CATE=115
http://qa.sunnipath....D=1801&CATE=120

When a site falls into blatant shirk like that, then you can not take any knowledge from them because the foundation of their religion is completely corrupt.

In an authentic hadeeth found in Bukhari and Muslim, Aisha (Radiallaahu anha) narrated, "When (death) came to Allaah's Messenger (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) he draped part of his khamisah over his face. When he had trouble breathing he removed it saying: 'Allaah's curse be upon the Jews and the Christians, they took their prophet's graves as masjids, warning against what they did. If not for that, then his grave would be outside. But he feared that it would be taken as a masjid." (Reported by al-Bukhari and Muslim).

There are several hadeeth and ayaah in the Quran concerning this matter. And there are ayaah in the Quran that clearly state that rasulullah (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) has died.

[jigglypottamus]

SpreadIslaam, on 06 September 2010 - 10:45 AM, said:

Sunnipath is a website that openly promotes shirk. No knowledge should be taken from Sunnipath period because of their blatant promotion of shirk.

Your reply makes no sense whatsoever. instead of objecting or critiquing the actual reply that nectar pointed out, you're picking out perceived inconsistencies elsewhere on the website to justify your ignorance?

Your behavior is the same as that of disbelievers who reject the ahaadith or even the Qur'an because of one riwaaya or ayah that they don't like.

Therefore, since you act like such an ignoramus, we shouldn't be taking any of your comments seriously, right?

[SpreadIslaam]

jiggylicious, on 06 September 2010 - 01:23 PM, said:

Your reply makes no sense whatsoever. instead of objecting or critiquing the actual reply that secretstar pointed out, you're picking out perceived inconsistencies elsewhere on the website to justify your ignorance?

Your behavior is the same as that of disbelievers who reject the ahaadith or even the Qur'an because of one riwaaya or ayah that they don't like.

Therefore, since you act like such an ignoramus, we shouldn't be taking any of your comments seriously, right?

Be very very careful about responding with emotions.
If you put all emotions aside and listen. Shirk removes you from the religion of Islaam.

I am not saying that Sunnipath is not Muslim. But they have fallen into this affair of shirk. The foundation of the religion of Islaam is Tawheed.
Islaam is built upon worshipping Allaah alone without any partners. If this foundation is corrupted, then everything else is corrupted.

Even in their fiqh issues, sunnipath has severe innovations. But even IF their fiqh was correct, their foundation is extremely corrupt. And you can not take Islaamic knowledge from somebody who promotes shirk and worships at the graves. May Allaah grant us all correct understanding of His religion. Ameen.

[jigglypottamus]

SpreadIslaam, on 06 September 2010 - 01:59 PM, said:

Be very very careful about responding with emotions.
If you put all emotions aside and listen. Shirk removes you from the religion of Islaam.

I am not saying that Sunnipath is not Muslim. But they have fallen into this affair of shirk. The foundation of the religion of Islaam is Tawheed.
Islaam is built upon worshipping Allaah alone without any partners. If this foundation is corrupted, then everything else is corrupted.

Even in their fiqh issues, sunnipath has severe innovations. But even IF their fiqh was correct, their foundation is extremely corrupt. And you can not take Islaamic knowledge from somebody who promotes shirk and worships at the graves. May Allaah grant us all correct understanding of His religion. Ameen.

Are you an expert on shirk? Have you studied at any recognized institution of higher Islamic learning? Which syoukh were your teacehrs? Do you have any formal degrees or ijazaat in Islamic education?

[SpreadIslaam]

jiggylicious, on 06 September 2010 - 03:57 PM, said:

Are you an expert on shirk? Have you studied at any recognized institution of higher Islamic learning? Which syoukh were your teacehrs? Do you have any formal degrees or ijazaat in Islamic education?

The more important question is, where did the people who run Sunnipath study? Who were their teachers?

As for me, I have not been blessed with the ability to go study overseas and I have not studied anywhere. But I have met some of the scholars from Egypt and Kuwait. And I have met the students of the scholars from Medinah, Makkah, Kuwait, Yemen and Egypt. I have also sat in their classes in person in addition to having listened to them online.

And in the link provided in my original post, the articles provided are from the scholars of the Sunnah.

And all the scholars of the Sunnah are in agreement that worshipping any grave is shirk, and worshipping at the graves is haraam in the religion of Islaam. This is what Rasulullaah (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) taught, and this is what his companions were well grounded upon. And this is what the scholars of the Sunnah have firmly been upon for the last 1,400 years. The scholars include the four Imaams and thousands of other scholars who date back more than a thousand years.

Sunnipath is a website that promotes shirk, and their blatant promotion of shirk is clearer than the light of day for anybody who has the most basic Islaamic knowledge.

May Allaah help us and rectify the affairs of the Muslims.

[bravotwozero]

fallacy ad hominem = argument fail.

[jigglypottamus]

SpreadIslaam, on 06 September 2010 - 09:34 PM, said:

The more important question is, where did the people who run Sunnipath study? Who were their teachers?

Classic case of diverting attention from the topic at hand. Did you even bother looking up the answer yourself? If you had, you wouldn't be asking such a basic question.

The first link you posted from SunniPath was written by Munawwar Ateeq Rizvi, whose educational credentials are available here. Please read carefully before you post.

The second link you posted from SunniPath was written by Gibril Fouad Haddad, whose educational credentials can be found here and here. Please read carefully before you post.

Furthermore, the team at SunniPath is varied and diverse and no one can say they are all of the same vein, similarly in the same way that no one can claim that all nine Supreme Court judges are of the same mind. Shk. Faraz Rabbani is a well-known scholar at SunniPath, and one of his students is a long-time member of Islamica - feel free to inquire about this person and how he can put you in touch with Shk. Rabbani directly here in Toronto to answer your concerns about SunniPath. Shk. Hamza Karamali is another scholar who is a few years older than me [I'm 30] and I know him personally; I have traveled with him, prayed with him, etc. and he was my ameer at Young Muslims Canada for quite some time, and I can tell you he is a very dedicated individual who takes Islam very seriously and has frequently spoken to the shabaab about tawheed and shirk.

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As for me, I have not been blessed with the ability to go study overseas and I have not studied anywhere. But I have met some of the scholars from Egypt and Kuwait. And I have met the students of the scholars from Medinah, Makkah, Kuwait, Yemen and Egypt. I have also sat in their classes in person in addition to having listened to them online.

That's very nice.

A lot of people here on Islamica have done the same. Some of them, like me, have even traveled overseas to learn more. I was in Yemen for a short time, in Sanaa' khadeema. I met students from Dar-ut-Tamim as well as from Jamiatul Eeman, and if you know anything about those two institutions, you'll realize how broad my exposure was. I've also regularly sat and listened to shyoukh from all over - Morocco, Egypt, Saudi, Syria, Iraq, Pakistan, India, Malaysia, and so on - both in-person and online.

No big deal.

But you'll never find me claiming that such experience equals real Islamic knowledge - because often it was just raw data often deprived of historical context, or of the asbaab un-nuzool, or of linguistic context, and so on. In other words it was just information, and not knowledge.

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And all the scholars of the Sunnah are in agreement that worshipping any grave is shirk, and worshipping at the graves is haraam in the religion of Islaam. This is what Rasulullaah (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) taught, and this is what his companions were well grounded upon. And this is what the scholars of the Sunnah have firmly been upon for the last 1,400 years. The scholars include the four Imaams and thousands of other scholars who date back more than a thousand years.

Again, if you had even bothered reading through the exact links YOU posted, you would have found the following refutations of your own accusations:

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Firstly, the person who makes dua, begs Allah swt and is in need of him alone ... In both forms of tawassul (intercession), one's hope is not in the pious, instead the centre of hope is Allah (swt) who will resolve the problems, help in need, and provide the asked-for. The true and absolute benefactor, and authority of change, is Allah swt who is the creator of all existence.

... If the visitor believes that the pious himself solves difficulty and independently eases hardship with all power to do so, without the reliability on Allah (swt) and dua, which is common in the ignorant as they commit such strongly condemned acts at the graves i.e. kissing the grave, prostrating to the grave, and praying salah towards it, this is unacceptable and the person is subject to punishment. One who knows the religion and has knowledge of the revealed law (alim) cannot practice such traditions.

... It is not allowed to prostrate to the grave through veneration. Hence, it is strongly condemned by all scholars.

The problem with people like you is that you are way too trigger-happy, and you happily strap on a set of blinders which restricts you to a form of intellectual tunnel vision. If I had to guess I'd say you're young - in your late teens or early 20s. It'll take some time before you chill out and reflect upon the first words revealed to this nation .... Iqra bismi rabbik ... Read, in the name of your Lord.

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Sunnipath is a website that promotes shirk, and their blatant promotion of shirk is clearer than the light of day for anybody who has the most basic Islaamic knowledge.

You might want to ease up on the hyperbole and grand, sweeping statements otherwise you'll end up hanging yourself.

Given that you failed to read the same links you posted, I can reasonably presume you don't even have the most basic Islamic skill of reading, let alone having any basic Islamic knowledge.

Ergo, as per my previous statement, we shouldn't bother with you or your statements, right?

(Please prove me wrong)

[secretstar]

Sorry for sounding dumb, what's shirk?

[SpreadIslaam]

jiggylicious, on 07 September 2010 - 12:11 AM, said:

Given that you failed to read the same links you posted, I can reasonably presume you don't even have the most basic Islamic skill of reading, let alone having any basic Islamic knowledge.

Ergo, as per my previous statement, we shouldn't bother with you or your statements, right?

(Please prove me wrong)

I don't claim to have any Islaamic Knowledge. And you are correct, I am a jaahil on the religion.
But I don't post anything from my own self. I merely post links to beneficial articles, and any statements that I make in the posts are summaries from the scholars of this religion.

I have no desire to prove anybody wrong. Rather I post these articles to clarify the truth and to benefit the people so that I may obtain reward from Allaah (SWT). I have many sins, and by spreading the authentic Islaamic knowledge, I hope to have them washed away InshaAllaah.

[jigglypottamus]

secretstar, on 07 September 2010 - 01:56 AM, said:

Sorry for sounding dumb, what's shirk?

Shirk is to associate anyone or anything with God Almighty.

Whether something like direct association such as saying there are multiple gods, or by saying God has a Son or a Mother, or indirect association such as claiming or believing that someone or something other than God has ultimate power an authority - such as a saint, or the US dollar, or status and power, etc.

Shirk is also the biggest sin / crime in Islam. All sins no matter how great are forgivable except for intentional and deliberate shirk that has come after a person has eeman or belief.

[jigglypottamus]

SpreadIslaam, on 07 September 2010 - 02:13 AM, said:

I don't claim to have any Islaamic Knowledge. And you are correct, I am a jaahil on the religion.
But I don't post anything from my own self. I merely post links to beneficial articles, and any statements that I make in the posts are summaries from the scholars of this religion.

I have no desire to prove anybody wrong. Rather I post these articles to clarify the truth and to benefit the people so that I may obtain reward from Allaah (SWT). I have many sins, and by spreading the authentic Islaamic knowledge, I hope to have them washed away InshaAllaah.

I presume you are familiar with how grave an act it is to slander the scholars, and what has been said about their meat. (as in, backbiting). So think twice before you speak ill of a scholar - whether you speak it here on Islamica or elsewhere.

Just because you come from one school of thought, does not give you license to slander or speak so ill of the scholars from another school. Islam is not internally monolithic. Not now, nor during the time of the Rasulallah [saws]. I'm very familiar with those who say SunniPath spreads shirk and bida' and questionable practices. Many of the people who are so adamant with such accusations have indeed never bothered to bring their cocnerns to any of the SunniPath scholars / administrators themselves and are instead simply going along with pack mentality and peer pressure in making such shrill denunciations.

You said you don't post anything from yourself - so please explain where your statements about SunniPath came from - especially the really strong ones that said it is as "clear" as daylight that they spread shirk, etc.

[SpreadIslaam]

jiggylicious, on 07 September 2010 - 10:04 AM, said:

You said you don't post anything from yourself - so please explain where your statements about SunniPath came from - especially the really strong ones that said it is as "clear" as daylight that they spread shirk, etc.

If I were to bring all the errors of SunniPath from the scholars directly, then it would reach 6,000 pages. The 'scholars' under which those who run SunniPath studied have been refuted by all the major scholars overseas.

Islaam is clear. And rasulullaah (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) has left us upon clear guidance. Those whom Allaah has blessed with guidance will be able to see that SunniPath is upon error. Those whom Allaah has blessed with guidance will know that you must stick with the Quran and Sunnah. And they will see that SunniPath is not upon the Quran and Sunnah.

Even if you were to bring all the proofs and evidences against SunniPath, which are clearer than the light of day, some people will still not listen. Allaah (SWT) describes these people in the Quran:


And the example of those who disbelieve, is as that of him who shouts to the (flock of sheep) that hears nothing but calls and cries. (They are) deaf, dumb and blind. So they do not understand. (Al-Baqarah 2:171)

And among them are some who listen to you, but can you make the deaf to hear, even though they apprehend not? And among them are some who look at you, but can you guide the blind, even though they see not? (Yunus 10:42-43)

[jigglypottamus]

Could you please stop going off-track and just answer a simple question?

I'm not impressed with your flowery hyperbole - trust me I have been there and around the circle that you're currently so enamoured with, way more than you.

[BaronChairman]

They never prayed both Eid prayer and Jummah in my community.

[jigglypottamus]

Blue_Phoenix, on 07 September 2010 - 11:52 AM, said:

They never prayed both Eid prayer and Jummah in my community.

Well most people are aware of that exemption, despite the OP's ill-advised opinion indicating otherwise.

[SpreadIslaam]

jiggylicious, on 07 September 2010 - 11:30 AM, said:

Could you please stop going off-track and just answer a simple question?

I'm not impressed with your flowery hyperbole - trust me I have been there and around the circle that you're currently so enamoured with, way more than you.

I'm not trying to impress you. Our only goal should be to please Allaah (SWT).

What you are asking me to do would require an entire day to type up. And it would end up being several pages long. Rather than waste my time arguing with you, as the scholars of Islaam would refuse to argue about the religion, I simply exposed the link in which SunniPath promotes shirk. In reality, they are not Sunni, as Sunni is a term used to describe somebody who sticks to the Sunnah of Rasulullaah (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam). Rather SunniPath is upon the way of the Sufis.

It states clearly in the Quran that shirk is the only sin that Allaah (SWT) will not forgive you for. Any other sin will be forgiven except for shirk. And anybody who commits shirk will be in the hell fire forever, never to be taken out of it. And what SunniPath promotes is clearly described as shirk in the Quran.


Verily! Allâh forgives not (the sin of) setting up partners in worship with Him, but He forgives whom he pleases sins other than that, and whoever sets up partners in worship with Allâh, has indeed strayed far away. (An-Nisa 4:116)

Surely, they have disbelieved who say: "Allâh is the Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary)." But the Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)] said: "O Children of Israel! Worship Allâh, my Lord and your Lord." Verily, whosoever sets up partners in worship with Allâh, then Allâh has forbidden Paradise for him, and the Fire will be his abode. And for the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong­doers) there are no helpers. (Al-Ma'idah 5:72)

Surely, the religion (i.e. the worship and the obedience) is for Allâh only. And those who take Auliyâ' (protectors and helpers) besides Him (say): "We worship them only that they may bring us near to Allâh." Verily, Allâh will judge between them concerning that wherein they differ. Truly, Allâh guides not him who is a liar, and a disbeliever. (Az-Zumar 39:3)


And they worship besides Allâh things that hurt them not, nor profit them, and they say: "These are our intercessors with Allâh." Say: "Do you inform Allâh of that which He knows not in the heavens and on the earth?" Glorified and Exalted be He above all that which they associate as partners with Him! (Yunus 10:18)

In addition, here is an authentic hadeeth that was posted previously:

In an authentic hadeeth found in Bukhari and Muslim, Aisha (Radiallaahu anha) narrated, "When (death) came to Allaah's Messenger (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) he draped part of his khamisah over his face. When he had trouble breathing he removed it saying: 'Allaah's curse be upon the Jews and the Christians, they took their prophet's graves as masjids, warning against what they did. If not for that, then his grave would be outside. But he feared that it would be taken as a masjid." (Reported by al-Bukhari and Muslim).