[girlpower]

I know this man is a very respected scholar in the Islamic world .


Non-Muslims will NOT have equal human rights - Zakir Naik

[bravotwozero]

Actually he is NOT a well respected scholar. He never received any formal religious education. Many ulemas have strongly disagreed with his interpretation, particularly the scholars in deoband, which is from his native India.

[Anon]

We are Muslims, and not blind followers. If you watch the video, he says Islam is the true religion, and therefore under an Islamic state, people should not preach their falsehood. He gives the analogy of a trinitarian mathematics teacher preaching 2+2 = 3. This is oblivious to the fact that (A) not all Christians are trinitarians (B.) Christians do not believe 2+2 = 3 in respect to the trinity, that's our observation and perception of their religion, which doesn't necessitate that they would agree. Furthermore, Mathematics involves logic, divinity on the other hand doesn't involve a series of logical reasoning. In addition, I am more curios as to why this speaker does not refer to the civilizations where people of different faiths integrated while being led by an Muslim empire.

That said, the rule of law applies to everyone under an Islamic state. You should be more concerned with the sources and evidences cited by speakers, as opposed to what they say.

P.s. I don't know why he says 2+2 = 3, I presume he is referring to Christians.

[jigglypottamus]

1.) Dr. Zakir Naik wasn't referring to Christians with the 2+2=3 analogy - he was just referring to other religions in general.

2.) Both he, as well as the commentator at the end missed the fact that the reason why no other religions are allowed to preach in the Arabian peninsula is because of an explicit order by nabeyuna Muhammad [saws].

3.) In other Muslim lands, they're allowed to maintain their places of worship as they please.

[Anon]

@ Jiggy,

Which religion believes 2+2 = 3?

[jigglypottamus]

Anon, on 22 August 2010 - 12:52 PM, said:

@ Jiggy,

Which religion believes 2+2 = 3?

I'm sure you watched the whole video, and you saw that he gave three examples of teachers who say 2+2 = 3, 4, or 6. He was simply drawing a distinction that some teachers were giving the wrong answer, while one was giving the right answer and that is the teacher you would hire, if you were the principal of a school. He wasn't referring to any actual religion by those other two, he was simply referring to all other religions that teach the wrong answer (shirk, atheism, polytheism, whatever) to the questions of who our Lord is, what's our purpose in life, etc.

[Anon]

jiggylicious, on 22 August 2010 - 01:31 PM, said:

I'm sure you watched the whole video, and you saw that he gave three examples of teachers who say 2+2 = 3, 4, or 6. He was simply drawing a distinction that some teachers were giving the wrong answer, while one was giving the right answer and that is the teacher you would hire, if you were the principal of a school. He wasn't referring to any actual religion by those other two, he was simply referring to all other religions that teach the wrong answer (shirk, atheism, polytheism, whatever) to the questions of who our Lord is, what's our purpose in life, etc.

Oh I see. Thanks for the clarification.

[girlpower]

jiggylicious, on 22 August 2010 - 01:31 PM, said:

I'm sure you watched the whole video, and you saw that he gave three examples of teachers who say 2+2 = 3, 4, or 6. He was simply drawing a distinction that some teachers were giving the wrong answer, while one was giving the right answer and that is the teacher you would hire, if you were the principal of a school. He wasn't referring to any actual religion by those other two, he was simply referring to all other religions that teach the wrong answer (shirk, atheism, polytheism, whatever) to the questions of who our Lord is, what's our purpose in life, etc.

So muslims have the right to criticize and insult other religions , But when non muslims criticize Islam and Muhammed ,, they must be sentenced to dead for blasphemy according to the Islamic law . . This man is an Islamic supremacist .

[Anon]

girlpower, on 22 August 2010 - 01:37 PM, said:

So muslims have the right to criticize and insult other religions , But when non muslims criticize Islam and Muhammed ,, they must be sentenced to dead for blasphemy according to the Islamic law . . This man is an Islamic supremacist .

We are constitutionally forbidden to mock/insult other religions. People are not sentenced to death for criticizing Islam either, they are intellectually refuted/addressed.

And do not insult those they invoke other than Allah , lest they insult Allah in enmity without knowledge. Thus We have made pleasing to every community their deeds. Then to their Lord is their return, and He will inform them about what they used to do. (Holy Qur`an 6:108)

O you who have believed, let not a people ridicule [another] people; perhaps they may be better than them; nor let women ridicule [other] women; perhaps they may be better than them. And do not insult one another and do not call each other by [offensive] nicknames. Wretched is the name of disobedience after [one's] faith. And whoever does not repent - then it is those who are the wrongdoers. (Holy Quran 49:11)

[jigglypottamus]

girlpower, on 22 August 2010 - 01:37 PM, said:

So muslims have the right to criticize and insult other religions , But when non muslims criticize Islam and Muhammed ,, they must be sentenced to dead for blasphemy according to the Islamic law . . This man is an Islamic supremacist .

Prophet Muhammad was an Islamic supremacist too. And your point is?

As Anon said, we are forbidden from insulting other religions. Criticism does not equal insult..

[Variable]

Points of faith aren't analagous to equations. Naik seems to impress himself by his own arguments though. I wonder if he's ever preached to anything other than the choir.

[jigglypottamus]

Variable, on 22 August 2010 - 09:46 PM, said:

I wonder if he's ever preached to anything other than the choir.

He actually has.

Many, many times.

[Variable]

jiggylicious, on 23 August 2010 - 05:46 AM, said:

He actually has.

Many, many times.

I can't imagine a two way debate has ever gone very well for him.

[Anon]

Variable, on 23 August 2010 - 06:30 AM, said:

I can't imagine a two way debate has ever gone very well for him.

Nor for you for that matter but he has had decent debates which I've watched....with followers of the hindu religion.

[BaronChairman]

girlpower, on 22 August 2010 - 01:37 PM, said:

So muslims have the right to criticize and insult other religions , But when non muslims criticize Islam and Muhammed ,, they must be sentenced to dead for blasphemy according to the Islamic law . . This man is an Islamic supremacist .

So how it always has been with every other religion on the planet, so it shall always be with every other religion on the planet. Not that I'm trying to excuse the hypocrisy involved here, but singling out Islam really isn't fair.

[jigglypottamus]

Variable, on 23 August 2010 - 06:30 AM, said:

I can't imagine a two way debate has ever gone very well for him.

There are two-way debates with him all over YouTube - feel free to look them up.

[girlpower]

jiggylicious, on 22 August 2010 - 01:50 PM, said:

Prophet Muhammad was an Islamic supremacist too. And your point is?

As Anon said, we are forbidden from insulting other religions. Criticism does not equal insult..

Do you agree with him that non-muslims shouldn't have equal human rights in an Islamic country and live as second class citizens ? BTW i think prophet Muhahammed is more of an Arab nationalist . And islam inherently has many absolutistic teachings . There are many verses in the Quran that explicitly condemn idol worship ( which is an insult and hatred against buddhists) . polytheism( insult and hatred against Hindu ) . Muhamed himself had ordered the destruction of idols at the Kaaba. Now many muslim extremists has been using these verses and Muhammed action to justify the destruction of idols , for example , destruction of the largest Buddha statue by the Taliban .

[jigglypottamus]

girlpower, on 23 August 2010 - 04:36 PM, said:

Do you agree with him that non-muslims shouldn't have equal human rights in an Islamic country and live as second class citizens?

That's not what he said.

And I believe that in a Muslim country, non-Muslim minorities should have all rights and freedoms granted to them under Islamic law.

[girlpower]

jiggylicious, on 23 August 2010 - 04:56 PM, said:

That's not what he said.

And I believe that in a Muslim country, non-Muslim minorities should have all rights and freedoms granted to them under Islamic law.

But do non muslims have the same rights as muslims under the islamic law like in a democracy where everyone are equal before the law regardless their religious affiliations ?

[BaronChairman]

girlpower, on 23 August 2010 - 05:17 PM, said:

But do non muslims have the same rights as muslims under the islamic law like in a democracy where everyone are equal before the law regardless their religious affiliations ?

God, you came SO close to walking away from Islamica having actually learned something awhile ago! What happened?