[ChotooMotoo]

Jamroll said:

As far as I can see from the article, her whole problem with Islam is based upon the fact that her husband was crap in bed. Nice.

Honestly, if he was virginal before marriage, what else can you expect?

[sally]

Timbit,

People are not pointing out her failure at life/relationships because it's unusual for someone to fail at that stuff. Those sentiments are based off the fact that (and you admit) we aren't reflective or too thoughtful about the choices we make at a younger age, but we certainly do not use those mistakes to blame other factors (culture, religion, etc) when later in life we do demonstrate the capability for mature thought. And mostly, we do not, after blaming superficial factors for our downfalls, become self proclaimed activists or representatives for others we assume to be going through the same. And if you really want to be an activist, you should probably attempt to convey your goals for doing what you do and the motivation behind them in a more coherent manner. She's very confused about the difference between culture and religion, can't understand that sometimes issues are due to individual personalities and makes rash generalizations on behalf of all Muslim women which a lot of us undoubtedly have taken issue with.

To me, she obviously felt guilty for indulging in pre marital relations because it was ingrained within her to stay away from that sort of stuff. Instead of dealing with her shortcoming by possibly looking at and within herself, she chose to unburden herself by transferring those ill feelings at her background and the religion that had some sort of hand in shaping her.


She doesn't do this once, but repeatedly.

To me she is no different than terrorists who use religion as an excuse to cover up their political agendas

[Timbit]

sally: yeah... maybe. i didn't think she was doing anything other than relating her own personal experience and explaining why she felt the need to marry a non-muslim. but i never read it too closely in the first place and you all seem to think she's speaking for all muslim women, so maybe she is.

i still think the hateful comments are unnecessary though. like "oh, she's never been able to make a relationship work in her life", etc. her not conforming doesn't give you the right to be disparaging. any wonder she runs away from muslims?

and like i said already, the whole 'oh, she's speaking about her culture and not islam' doesn't really hold any weight. she's speaking about both and how mixed up they get.

[sally]

Timbit said:

sally: yeah... maybe. i didn't think she was doing anything other than relating her own personal experience and explaining why she felt the need to marry a non-muslim. but i never read it too closely in the first place and you all seem to think she's speaking for all muslim women, so maybe she is.

i still think the hateful comments are unnecessary though. like "oh, she's never been able to make a relationship work in her life", etc. her not conforming doesn't give you the right to be disparaging. any wonder she runs away from muslims?

Her 'activist' work is based on speaking for all Muslim women...that's pretty much..what she does..

And again, if she's going to use her failure at relationships with Muslims to make a case for her cause, then she deserves to be called out for that. I think the joking comments aside, people aren't hating on her failure at relationships BECAUSE of the failure. They're hating on it because she's using that as bait.

[Kona_Silat]

Let's face it.. Muslim men are not attractive. They can't compete with model looking white guys, black guys or Asian guys (like Rain) with their pecs and abs. Most Muslim guys have their scraggly beard and a belly because they have this strict interpretation of religion. Let's face it.. this world is all about competition, if you wanna get women you have to play the game or sit on the sidelines while Muslim women flock to have their fantasies fulfilled and enjoy exploring their sexuality.

[marjanih]

Kona: Muslim men are not attractive. They can't compete with model looking white guys, black guys or Asian guys (like Rain) with their pecs and abs.

Yes because there aren't any Muslim white, black, or asian guys.


shadha-

[Kona_Silat]

shadha said:

Kona: Muslim men are not attractive. They can't compete with model looking white guys, black guys or Asian guys (like Rain) with their pecs and abs.

Yes because there aren't any Muslim white, black, or asian guys.


shadha-

No because I'm talking about white, black and asian Muslims not shaving and working out.

[Timbit]

sally said:

Her 'activist' work is based on speaking for all Muslim women...that's pretty much..what she does..

And again, if she's going to use her failure at relationships with Muslims to make a case for her cause, then she deserves to be called out for that. I think the joking comments aside, people aren't hating on her failure at relationships BECAUSE of the failure. They're hating on it because she's using that as bait.

you can justify it however you want, but you know it's disparaging and not the way you should treat anybody.

[RestlessSoul]

Timbit said:

edit: i get the feeling not a lot of muslim men in north america would want to marry her

why would anyone want to get married to her? you might be the next poor guy who ends up being in a marie claire article

[Jamroll]

Timbit said:

edit: i get the feeling not a lot of muslim men in north america would want to marry her anyway. considering all the hate for her.
so really, does she have much choice if she wants to be married? either she can change her views or marry a non-muslim, and she's opting to do the latter.

On the contrary, "all the hate" is coming from her. She's basically saying Muslim men are crap, brutish, backward and Neanderthal, and by extension so is Islam. If she'd just kept her lame opinions to herself and got on with her life, whether with a non-Muslim or not, I doubt many people would have had anything to say about her.

[serendipity_000]

RestlessSoul said:

why would anyone want to get married to her?

She could lead you in prayer, if you weren't feeling up to it?

[sally]

Timbit said:

you can justify it however you want, but you know it's disparaging and not the way you should treat anybody.

I already said that all jokes aside, she really does have the criticism coming to her. And if you feel that we should be sympathetic, then that's too bad. This isn't about getting emotional, because if it was, no one would provide solid reasoning for why we find issue with her and just keep mocking her. There's already been countless valid reasons provided to you for why we think she's in the wrong and if you can't understand that that's your problem. Stop trying to cover up the real issue by trying to make people feel guilty

[caffienetime]

sally said:

I already said that all jokes aside, she really does have the criticism coming to her. And if you feel that we should be sympathetic, then that's too bad. This isn't about getting emotional, because if it was, no one would provide solid reasoning for why we find issue with her and just keep mocking her. There's already been countless valid reasons provided to you for why we think she's in the wrong and if you can't understand that that's your problem. Stop trying to cover up the real issue by trying to make people feel guilty

are you trying to defy jaysh's thread about peace on islamica?

[Jaysh]

Kona_Silat said:

Let's face it.. Muslim men are not attractive. They can't compete with model looking white guys, black guys or Asian guys (like Rain) with their pecs and abs. Most Muslim guys have their scraggly beard and a belly because they have this strict interpretation of religion. Let's face it.. this world is all about competition, if you wanna get women you have to play the game or sit on the sidelines while Muslim women flock to have their fantasies fulfilled and enjoy exploring their sexuality.

A few points:

1. You (Kona) are not good looking at all.

2. Have you ever seen Sheikespeare?

3. On a very serious note, what you are saying is bigoted and highly offensive. I like how you included Asians in your list, even though a white racist would say that Asians are not good looking at all. On that note, it is a well known lamentation of Asian men that Asian women go for whites, whereas white women don't go for Asian men; should we now imply that Asian men are not good looking? Another well known lamentation is of black women who complain that black men go for white girls and not black girls; should we extrapolate something racist from that? In any case, one should have enough racial sensitivity not to comment on such matters, unless you are from that race yourself. Most of these things are just stereotypes and have very little reality to them. It's somewhat OK for people of a certain race to complain, but those of other races should not comment.

Fi Aman Allah

[foozball]

All I ever read about is 1. her wanting to lead prayer and 2. her wanting to get laid.

If she's sooo big on changing shariah regarding women how about things like:

1. demanding the permissibility to fast and pray while on her period because she wants to worship Allah as often as men can.
2. allowing women to go to hajj alone so they aren't denied this incredible spiritual journey and pillar of our faith due to a lack of male presence.

Or something else that - may be seen as absurd or crazy by 'traditional' muslims- but has SOME basis of tryyying to advance a woman's ability to practice the religion.

No. instead, what she sees as the lead issues for muslim women is her ability to screw whoever she want and then to LEAD people in prayer.

fool.

[Timbit]

foozball said:

All I ever read about is 1. her wanting to lead prayer and 2. her wanting to get laid.

If she's sooo big on changing shariah regarding women how about things like:

1. demanding the permissibility to fast and pray while on her period because she wants to worship Allah as often as men can.
2. allowing women to go to hajj alone so they aren't denied this incredible spiritual journey and pillar of our faith due to a lack of male presence.

Or something else that - may be seen as absurd or crazy by 'traditional' muslims- but has SOME basis of tryyying to advance a woman's ability to practice the religion.

No. instead, what she sees as the lead issues for muslim women is her ability to screw whoever she want and then to LEAD people in prayer.

fool.

i'm sure if she did either of those things, she'd still be seen as absurd.

i've read about/seen her activism as related to women's presence in masjids. also a valid issue. but of course, when you think she's crazy, it doesn't matter what she actually does or doesn't do.

[caffienetime]

Timbit said:

i'm sure if she did either of those things, she'd still be seen as absurd.

i've read about/seen her activism as related to women's presence in masjids. also a valid issue. but of course, when you think she's crazy, it doesn't matter what she actually does or doesn't do.

what was her point regarding womens presence in masajid?

[Jaysh]

Timbit said:

i'm sure if she did either of those things, she'd still be seen as absurd.

i've read about/seen her activism as related to women's presence in masjids. also a valid issue. but of course, when you think she's crazy, it doesn't matter what she actually does or doesn't do.

Timbit, she is a loud spoken moron out to attain fame.

[MossadConspiracy]

that a female imam should give a khutba abt hitting the g-spot

Jaysh said:

Timbit, she is a loud spoken moron out to attain fame.

i think shes just trying to attract a variety of sex partners like her article said

[nooni]

she lives a life that is typical of an American girl/women (losing virginity before marriage, dating one guy after another, rooming with a non mahram man) and then blames islam and her culture for it.

RestlessSoul said:

why would anyone want to get married to her? you might be the next poor guy who ends up being in a marie claire article

:lol::lol: