[Ahmad89]

TrentReznor858 said:

I think the Palestinians should leave Palestine for their own safety

I actually kind of agree with that.

[sumi]

Generally anti-death penalty, but with exceptions.
Israel does not have the right to exist.
Anti-two state solution. All of it should be Palestine. Screw the whole "pre-67 boundaries should be accepted" nonsense.
Anti-big brother.
Raise minimum wage.
Universal healthcare.
Higher taxes for the wealthy.
Anti-gay marriage.
Pro-woman's right to choose, but with limits.
Pro-immigration.
Pro-illegal immigrants rights.
People who obsess over sports and athletes should be slapped.
Anti-legalization of prostitution.
Support the prohibition.
Pakistani food is the best food in the world. Americans don't know good eatin.
Pro-woman's right to decide for herself whether she wants to wear hijab or not.
Other views which I cannot state publicly because they will probably get me put in jail. Hi CIA/FBI

[afrakabob]

shadha said:

Universal Health Care
Increasing minimum wage.

agreed.

Jamroll said:

But if it's legalised, then prostitutes will have to pay taxes. The government and therefore society will be profiting off prostitution. Just on that one point alone, it seems totally unethical to me.
There are so many reasons why prostitution should not be legalised. Have you thought this through?

yes, and i still think it should be legalized.

TrentReznor858 said:

I think illegal aliens should be left alone as this country would crumble without their hard work
I think illegals should be given drivers licenses and proper IDs, as this country was founded by Illegals, and was built on the backs of so called "illegal immigrants"

agreed.

[Jamroll]

afrakabob said:

yes, and i still think it should be legalized.

Legalising prostitution means legalising pimps and brothels; there'll be increased people trafficking; increased child prostitution; it'll expand the sex industry; and life won't really be that much better for the women.

[hijabihoodlum]

interesting.

if yall want all that: move to europe.


jk- mad love for all of you. well, most of you. ok fine *some* of you *some* of the time.

[Timbit]

Jamroll said:

Legalising prostitution means legalising pimps and brothels; there'll be increased people trafficking; increased child prostitution; it'll expand the sex industry; and life won't really be that much better for the women.

Where are you getting this from?

sumiyia said:

Anti-two state solution. All of it should be Palestine. Screw the whole "pre-67 boundaries should be accepted" nonsense.

Ha.

sumiyia said:

Pakistani food is the best food in the world.
Pro-woman's right to decide for herself whether she wants to wear hijab or not.

Agreed.
Pro-woman's right to decide for herself what she wants to wear when, who she wants to marry, whether she wants to be in a polygynous marriage or not, whether she wants to stay in any marriage or not, whether she wants to have a kid or not. I'd think these aren't all that controversial.

[Jamroll]

Timbit said:

Where are you getting this from?

Well, forget for a minute that it is totally against the principles of Islam to legalise the exploitation of women and selling their bodies. Let's look at it from a totally secular viewpoint. They have legalised prostitution in Europe, in the Netherlands. All it has done is legalise the exploitation of women.

Men can freely exploit women, without fear of prosecution. They have women wearing next to nothing, displayed in shop windows like a cattle market. The sex industry in the Netherlands has exploded since legalising prostitution - it now makes up a significant portion of their national economy. Prostitution has increased since legalisation.

They're talking about importing women (in the Netherlands parliament) from overseas to work as sex workers, because there is not enough prostitutes to meet demand. Sex-slave trafficking has increased since they legalised prostitution in the Netherlands. There is also a growing child prostitution market in the Netherlands.

The pimps and gangsters who run these girls have had their lives made much easier. Although, the girls are required to prove that they are self-employed, there are little checks done to ensure that they actually are, or that they are even of minimum age. It is big business, and big money, and no one cares about the women being used as pieces of meat, because, hey, it's legal now.

Some people who support legalisation think along the lines that since it is legal, there will be more regulations, and the women who work as prostitutes are better protected. That's not the case. What do the women who are being used as prostitutes in this legalised system think about it? I'm sure they don't feel any less exploited or safer.

If you're really interested in this issue, read up on the effect of legalising prostitution in the Netherlands.

[Zam]

I'm becoming more and more pro Ikhwan, Hamas and Hezbollah as 'moderate' Arab leaders prove how useless they are in stopping Israel's slaughter of Palestinians.

[MrZ]

Zam said:

I'm becoming more and more pro Ikhwan, Hamas and Hezbollah as 'moderate' Arab leaders prove how useless they are in stopping Israel's slaughter of Palestinians.

Yes, because Ikhwan, Hamas, and Hezbollah have proven how much more effective they are .

[Zam]

MuslimZ said:

Yes, because Ikhwan, Hamas, and Hezbollah have proven how much more effective they are .

Well, Ikhwan can't possibly be less useless than the Mubarak government which blockaded Gaza at the whim of Israel. They can't possibly be more corrupt than Mubarak, the Middle East's most fascist regime, so I support them as the only alternative.

Similarly, Hamas can't be worse than Fatah, which is corrupt to the core and profits off the misery of its own people.

And Hezbollah actually did humiliate Israel in the 2006 war, so I have to respect them for that.

Of course, all these movements have serious flaws and problems, but in an imperfect world, you have to go with the best you got, the lesser of the two evils. That's why we elected Obama .

[MrZ]

Zam said:

Well, Ikhwan can't possibly be less useless than the Mubarak government which blockaded Gaza at the whim of Israel. They can't possibly be more corrupt than Mubarak, the Middle East's most fascist regime, so I support them as the only alternative.

Similarly, Hamas can't be worse than Fatah, which is corrupt to the core and profits off the misery of its own people.

And Hezbollah actually did humiliate Israel in the 2006 war, so I have to respect them for that.

Of course, all these movements have serious flaws and problems, but in an imperfect world, you have to go with the best you got, the lesser of the two evils. That's why we elected Obama .

But all three are also much more prone to provoking violence and the unnecessary death of civilians. So while it may be true that they "can't be any worse" (and I have my strong doubts); they sure as hell aren't even a smidgen better.

[Zam]

MuslimZ said:

But all three are also much more prone to provoking violence and the unnecessary death of civilians. So while it may be true that they "can't be any worse" (and I have my strong doubts); they sure as hell aren't even a smidgen better.

I don't think that's true about the Ikhwan. I think the modern day Ikhwan in Egypt are much more balanced than they used to be. As for Hamas and Hezbollah, you are right.

[MrZ]

Zam said:

I don't think that's true about the Ikhwan. I think the modern day Ikhwan in Egypt are much more balanced than they used to be. As for Hamas and Hezbollah, you are right.

Yeah, you're right too; Ikhwan has eased up and shifted gears; there are even many feminists in Cairo that pledge allegiance to the Brotherhood.

[ChotooMotoo]

Coke is better than Pepsi
a Whopper is better than a Big Mac
Ben & Jery's beats Haagendaaz
chicken shwarma is better than lamb shwarma
Kelloggs raisin bran is better than the Wal*mart brand raisin bran
Tea cooked on the stove is better than Tea made in the microwave

I could go on and on

[khadeeja29]

anti-abortion/pro-life except in cases of urgent threat to the mother's health.
against gay marriage.
israel does not have a right to exist.

[the_wrong_guy]

MuslimZ said:

Yeah, you're right too; Ikhwan has eased up and shifted gears; there are even many feminists in Cairo that pledge allegiance to the Brotherhood.

This is not a very recent phenomenon. The Ikhwan have been a pretty diverse group since the beginning. We have had some of the leading Sufi scholars pledge their allegiance to the Ikhwan. The same can be said about Salafis and Azharis.

Even in political debates, you have various trends within the Ikhwan. Also, most 'progressive Islamists' such as Hasan al-Turabi, Rachid al-Ghannoushi, etc. are also Ikhwani, or at least Ikhwan-inspired. Even Tariq Ramadan has a following withing the Ikhwan.

Huda Sha'rawi had mad respect for Zainab al-Ghazali, and the latter was pretty awesome too, and by all means a feminist. I was checking out some of the official documents of the Ikhwan on women's issues while researching for a paper, and they have done amazing work in this field. Their arguments against the social exclusion of women are among some of the most convincing ones I have ever read, and the book Tahrir al-Mar'ah fi 'Asr ar-Risalah (The Liberation of Women During the Prophetic Era) by Shaykh Abdul Halim Abu Shuqqah is probably the most comprehensive book ever written on the subject.

The only book that stands in comparison to it (al-Mar'ah Bayna al-Fiqh wa al-Qanun - Women Between Jurisprudence and Law) is also by an Ikhwani Sufi Scholar, Shaykh Mustafa Siba'i® of Syria.

I am not denying the problems within sections of the Ikhwan, and even as a whole. All I'm saying is that they have been a very diverse group since their beginning, and I do not think that any sizable majority within their various groups supports terrorism or aggression against civilians. You obviously are better informed than me regarding the latter, so I'll wait for your response.

[Jaysh]

I'm not so sure about this gravity thing...

[Jaysh]

Faaris said:

all my views are pretty mainstream.

bwhahahahahaha

Nobody got that but me.

[Jaysh]

Reading the views of the liberals like Timbit and Shadha is...well...may we be saved from misguidance.

[MossadConspiracy]

MuslimZ said:

Yeah, you're right too; Ikhwan has eased up and shifted gears; there are even many feminists in Cairo that pledge allegiance to the Brotherhood.

all of the opposition groups in egypt work together, it doesnt mean they support each other's views. the ikhwan were extremely vague about their actual plan for running the country for about 5 decades, but when they finally did reveal a few details a couple of years ago, one of their prominent plans was to amend the constitution to disenfranchise women and non-muslim egyptian men from being eligible to run for the presidency. Do you think any feminists (or people who support civil rights) actually support that?

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