[ChotooMotoo]

Wolfn, on 06 February 2012 - 05:10 PM, said:

I fought an Indian. And lost

what kind of Indian?

[EirinnMoChroi]

I went through this whole first page and said "where the heck did all these fun people go?" I miss Roberto and Rambo and all the other people even if they were nuttier than a fruitcake.

[Wolfn]

ChotooMotoo, on 06 February 2012 - 05:18 PM, said:

what kind of Indian?

PUNJABI!!!!!

[ChotooMotoo]

Hmmmm... how can she slap?

[BaronChairman]

EirinnMoChroi, on 06 February 2012 - 09:29 PM, said:

I went through this whole first page and said "where the heck did all these fun people go?" I miss Roberto and Rambo and all the other people even if they were nuttier than a fruitcake.

Me too. I never thought Roberto was such a bad guy so much as a little confused and concerned about the way political correctness is affecting his country's politics. And Rambo was just cool. I always loved his posts, and it was always worth a few rep points to get in a good flaming comment after one of them.

[Hunta]

Prophet (S) and also Ibrahim (A) broke many idols. So, there is nothing wrong with breaking idols which is deemed as 'art' in society. There is nothing artistic in it from a proper Muslim's point of view. The money and time wasted in making such non-sense should be spent rather on educating and helping poor people of Bangladesh or any other country.

[EirinnMoChroi]

BaronChairman, on 07 February 2012 - 06:12 PM, said:

Me too. I never thought Roberto was such a bad guy so much as a little confused and concerned about the way political correctness is affecting his country's politics. And Rambo was just cool. I always loved his posts, and it was always worth a few rep points to get in a good flaming comment after one of them.

plus, he loved white women...so I got a lot of compliments

[EirinnMoChroi]

Saracen21stC, on 08 April 2012 - 05:23 PM, said:

Prophet (S) and also Ibrahim (A) broke many idols. So, there is nothing wrong with breaking idols which is deemed as 'art' in society. There is nothing artistic in it from a proper Muslim's point of view. The money and time wasted in making such non-sense should be spent rather on educating and helping poor people of Bangladesh or any other country.

Ummmmmm excuse you. I would flip my absolute lid if some Muslim kids came over and knocked down ancient Celtic statues like the lia fail, Stonehenge, or the statues of Boudiccia or other historical pagan figures. I don't care if it's not a Muslim statue, it's vandalizm and destruction of a nation's history.

Please remember that before Christianity, Judaism or Islam came to other countries, the pagans were once God's only people. Let's take my heritage for example: Christianity didn't reach Ireland until 432 AD. So, from the beginning of mankind to 432 AD, Celtic pagans had little to no contact with Christianity. So...what? They're going to hell? They are going to hell because Christian missionaries didn't arrive in time to convert them all to a religion that technically wasn't even right by Allah anyway? It's not ok for you to say that it's acceptable to destroy their property just because it's not Islam's history. This attitude marginalizes entire groups of people throughout history and throughout the world and assumes them hellbound and their history sinful just becuase they didnt even have access to Islam.

Even if they DID have access to Islam and they decided to still follow their native faith, thats STILL not ok to destroy their property. That's vandalism and makes Islam look like a religion full of bullies. Imagine how you would think if Buddhists came over and detroyed Mecca and then said "oh it's ok. Siddhartha destroyed things all the time." You'd be pretty upset. So, again, I'd flip my lid if someone came over and destroyed sacred areas in my motherlands ESPECIALLY if they followed my religion. Even thinking about it makes me angry.

[Hunta]

Well, we can't change the fact that Prophet (S) and also Ibrahim (A) broke many idols. And I was saying about statue of living things (human, animal), and statue of 'gods' in a Muslim country. There is no rule in Islam to create statues of god or any living things. So, I can't see any problem if non-Muslims break such statues which were made by Muslims.

[EirinnMoChroi]

Saracen21stC, on 09 April 2012 - 07:12 AM, said:

Well, we can't change the fact that Prophet (S) and also Ibrahim (A) broke many idols. And I was saying about statue of living things (human, animal), and statue of 'gods' in a Muslim country. There is no rule in Islam to create statues of god or any living things. So, I can't see any problem if non-Muslims break such statues if Muslims make them.

I see. I don't know, I still think it's vandalism and the destruction of a nation's history. Muslims breaking statues that Muslims made is a different story than Muslims going and breaking statues in other countries.

I guess I equate it with Christians breaking statues in the Celtic lands since those lands are now Christian. It would just be the saddest thing ever to see Stonehenge get destroyed or the Lia Fail or other really really ancient monuments created by the pagan tribes before the Christians arrived. If they broke them, that would be suuuuuch a waste. Those statues are part of really ancient myths dating back to the BC era, some of them so old that the creaters of the statues are entirely unknown. Those statues hold so much history and are still sacred to many Celtic pagans that still reside there. I feel like its not our job to break sacred places from other religions, even if our own religion is the dominant one in the community. What Muhammad and Ibrahaim (S) did is something I can't change, and I don't know their motives, so I won't repeat them. Not when the reprocussions of repeating those motives would have my entire religion labeled a bully and a destroyer. There's enough destruction done by the hands of Muslims, I won't create or support more. We should be focusing on helping people and rebuilding things, not destruction and negativity.

[BaronChairman]

EirinnMoChroi, on 09 April 2012 - 07:44 AM, said:

I see. I don't know, I still think it's vandalism and the destruction of a nation's history. Muslims breaking statues that Muslims made is a different story than Muslims going and breaking statues in other countries.

That's because it IS vandalism. Honestly, if we're not going to raise any uproar about Muslims destroying non-Muslim idols and arts, then what right do Muslims have to come in and throw their righteous verbal flames about westernization?

[EirinnMoChroi]

BaronChairman, on 09 April 2012 - 12:11 PM, said:

That's because it IS vandalism. Honestly, if we're not going to raise any uproar about Muslims destroying non-Muslim idols and arts, then what right do Muslims have to come in and throw their righteous verbal flames about westernization?

Agreed.

The destruction of statues is simply that: destruction. Our religion is constantly labeled a destroyer. It's high time we stop destroying and start creating and spreading positivity around the globe.

IF Muslims are going to go around destroying statues, they can destroy the ones in their own countries. Keep your hands off my nation's histotical monuments.

[ChotooMotoo]

EirinnMoChroi, on 09 April 2012 - 09:21 PM, said:

Agreed.

The destruction of statues is simply that: destruction. Our religion is constantly labeled a destroyer. It's high time we stop destroying and start creating and spreading positivity around the globe.

IF Muslims are going to go around destroying statues, they can destroy the ones in their own countries. Keep your hands off my nation's histotical monuments.

I don't even think that's okay. what's the purpose of destroying things? Is that really the best use of your time? You seriously couldn't find anything better to do with your time than wanton destruction? If it's a Muslim majority nation, those statues are already not being worshiped or anything so what's the point? I just really don't see the point of any of this other than hooliganism.

[EirinnMoChroi]

ChotooMotoo, on 09 April 2012 - 09:25 PM, said:

I don't even think that's okay. what's the purpose of destroying things? Is that really the best use of your time? You seriously couldn't find anything better to do with your time than wanton destruction? If it's a Muslim majority nation, those statues are already not being worshiped or anything so what's the point? I just really don't see the point of any of this other than hooliganism.

I 100% agree with you. This entirely thing is gross to me.

Nobody really addressed the example that I gave about the pretend Buddhist scenerio. What if a Buddhist or Christian or Hindu came over and destroyed the kabba and then backed it up with "well, our religion supports it." How would Muslims feel? They would be absolutely furious and it would result in a bloodbath. However, these Muslims did the same exact thing. They destroyed monuments from another religion and then said it was ok becuase Islam's prophets said so. That's so hypocritical and shameful.