[zakk]

My husband just bought a Navigator. It's a monster. I can't wait to drive it.

[TrentReznor858]

Wolfn said:

I don't really trust foreign cars.

I had a toyota camry with 200,000 miles on it that ran great. My brother had a 1987 Honda Accord that had 230,000 miles on it that he took OFF ROADING that ran great. Every single American car I have come across, in one way or another, is a hunk of junk. Maybe you should reconsider?

[mekrob]

I imagine that in the state of Florida (you're in FL, right, Wolfn?) that you would need car insurance? As far as I've read, insurance is haram. I've yet to find a single cleric saying that it's permissible.

Wolfn, you always seem to be wanting to do the Islamic thing. So, unless you can find differently, you should stay away from insurance. And thus, you would need to stay away from cars as well, unless you want to break either the US or Shariah Law.

I've seen it mentioned before by wheels, I'd recommend a bike. If you're truly concerned about transportation from point A to B as you've said, and you want something practical, get a bike. Or at least a moped. Florida law states that mopeds and motorcycles do not need to have insurance. Therefore, this is another fully halal option that I'd recommend. 50cc mopeds can get up to 150 mpg and cost less than $5 grand over a ten year period (including gas, maintenance, initial cost, registration, etc.) Mopeds with bigger engines can still get 70-80 mpg and go 80+mph.

Also, as someone who's studied the hydrocarbon industry, the energy situation and is planning on going into the petroleum or mining industry within a year, I'd strongly recommend that the younger generations (<25 years old) stay away from gas vehicles. $3 gas is going to seem ridiculously cheap within even 5 years. I expect gas prices to be above $10/gal in 2008 dollars within 10 years.

[wheelworks]

mekrob said:

I imagine that in the state of Florida (you're in FL, right, Wolfn?) that you would need car insurance? As far as I've read, insurance is haram. I've yet to find a single cleric saying that it's permissible.

Wolfn, you always seem to be wanting to do the Islamic thing. So, unless you can find differently, you should stay away from insurance. And thus, you would need to stay away from cars as well, unless you want to break either the US or Shariah Law.

You missed this part mister:

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However, if one is required by law to take up an insurance cover, then it will be permissible to take the insurance up to the minimum that is legally required. Anything extra would not be permissible.

[mekrob]

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You missed this part mister:

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However, if one is required by law to take up an insurance cover, then it will be permissible to take the insurance up to the minimum that is legally required. Anything extra would not be permissible.

Nope. Didn't miss it. It's likely not relevant. What he's talking about is the necessity of insurance. Because there is likely no necessity on the part of Wolfn (nor many people who own cars) to own a car (they can get around on bikes, push for mass transit, move, etc, etc.), then there is no necessity to own insurance.

Insurance is haram, according to Sunnipath. It's only permissible if it's the only way. Pork is haram. But you can eat it, from what I've read, if you're on the verge of death (absolute necessity). That's pretty much the same thing here. Actions and items that are haram are lifted in the case of absolute emergency: oppressive government mandate (see Hillary's health care), possibility of death, or in the case of vehicles, if one's injured or there's no way that the person can relocate or find other means of transportation.

People can make up whatever reason they want to stay in their cars; but it won't change the facts that unnecessary car insurance is haram according to everything I've read.

[Wolfn]

I'm now thinking about a Mercury Cougar:










I found one for sale for $4000

[sixpakistan]

mekrob said:

Nope. Didn't miss it. It's likely not relevant. What he's talking about is the necessity of insurance. Because there is likely no necessity on the part of Wolfn (nor many people who own cars) to own a car (they can get around on bikes, push for mass transit, move, etc, etc.), then there is no necessity to own insurance.

Insurance is haram, according to Sunnipath. It's only permissible if it's the only way. Pork is haram. But you can eat it, from what I've read, if you're on the verge of death (absolute necessity). That's pretty much the same thing here. Actions and items that are haram are lifted in the case of absolute emergency: oppressive government mandate (see Hillary's health care), possibility of death, or in the case of vehicles, if one's injured or there's no way that the person can relocate or find other means of transportation.

People can make up whatever reason they want to stay in their cars; but it won't change the facts that unnecessary car insurance is haram according to everything I've read.

Is this your personal opinion, or can you cite any scholars who say driving is haram in a country that requires car insurance?

[Jaysh]

Is that a Geo Praxis?

[Mozlem]

mekrob said:

Nope. Didn't miss it. It's likely not relevant. What he's talking about is the necessity of insurance. Because there is likely no necessity on the part of Wolfn (nor many people who own cars) to own a car (they can get around on bikes, push for mass transit, move, etc, etc.), then there is no necessity to own insurance.

Insurance is haram, according to Sunnipath. It's only permissible if it's the only way. Pork is haram. But you can eat it, from what I've read, if you're on the verge of death (absolute necessity). That's pretty much the same thing here. Actions and items that are haram are lifted in the case of absolute emergency: oppressive government mandate (see Hillary's health care), possibility of death, or in the case of vehicles, if one's injured or there's no way that the person can relocate or find other means of transportation.

People can make up whatever reason they want to stay in their cars; but it won't change the facts that unnecessary car insurance is haram according to everything I've read.

You're cute

[ShahRukh]

After much contemplation, I decided not to go with a BMW 320i that I was gonna buy from a friend because of high maintainence and gas. I just recently bought an 02 Civic Coupe...sports edition from a single non-smoking lady who owned it for like 6 years. I'm loving EVERY bit of it.

The handling is just amazing, unlike any other coupe in the league. I tried many diff compact/sports cars in the same price range during my 2-3 week car-hunt.

The lady was selling it for $6800 and I negotiated down to $4800.

I owned a 00 civic for four years, put 120k miles on it without a single repair, and then sold it for 5k last year. And then I had an accord for couple of years which was still running despite of 234233423 problems, and refuses to break down, so I just gave it to my brother. My experience with Japanese cars compelled me to buy another one...

[TrentReznor858]

Wolfn said:

I found one for sale for $4000

There is a reason American cars are so cheap. THEY ARE UNRELIABLE. You can ignore me all you want, just dont come on here complaining about how your Couger crapped out a week after you bought it.

[Wolfn]

TrentReznor858 said:

There is a reason American cars are so cheap. THEY ARE UNRELIABLE. You can ignore me all you want, just dont come on here complaining about how your Couger crapped out a week after you bought it.

What about a Ford Focus? They're an international car, so my friend says they are more reliable.

[Mozlem]

Wolfn said:

What about a Ford Focus? They're an international car, so my friend says they are more reliable.

How is that an international car? If I were you, I'd do some research and not rely on your friends or on people here. Check out some websites for appropriate prices, reliability ratings etc. Good luck.

[Wolfn]

Okay, everyone keeps rejecting my car ideas.


Therefore, I have to ask: Which car do you suggest?

This is the car I'm looking for:

Coupe/sedan/hatchback/station wagon
1999-2009
$0- $6,000
good reliability
Automatic
less than 75,000 miles

[sixpakistan]

PhDGirl said:

How is that an international car? If I were you, I'd do some research and not rely on your friends or on people here. Check out some websites for appropriate prices, reliability ratings etc. Good luck.

It is sold internationally and very popular in Europe. But the version that Europeans get is infinitely superior to the crap version available here.

Wolfn said:

Okay, everyone keeps rejecting my car ideas.


Therefore, I have to ask: Which car do you suggest?

This is the car I'm looking for:

Coupe/sedan/hatchback/station wagon
1999-2009
$0- $6,000
good reliability
Automatic
less than 75,000 miles

Are you still stuck on American?

If you want something sporty at that price with that mileage, go with a late 90s Eclipse. If you want something practical, early 2000s Corolla.

If you're not stuck on that mileage, go with a late 90s/early 2000s Honda Accord.. with a little negotiating, you can get them at that price with around 100k miles. It's a very nice car and will last you forever.

My personal recommendation is still something like a 5 speed Integra or Miata.

[TrentReznor858]

sixpakistan said:

Are you still stuck on American?

If you want something sporty at that price with that mileage, go with a late 90s Eclipse. If you want something practical, early 2000s Corolla.

If you're not stuck on that mileage, go with a late 90s/early 2000s Honda Accord.. with a little negotiating, you can get them at that price with around 100k miles. It's a very nice car and will last you forever.

My personal recommendation is still something like a 5 speed Integra or Miata.

Co- signed, as you guys like to say. Any toyota or honda sedan/coupe with a decent amount of miles is the best investment for your money.