[MossadConspiracy]

Sugarberry said:

you love nyc too much to see a point of view outside the city

haha maybe but a place like Baltimore definitely does not compare. My cousin from Egypt spent a year and a half living there and he had his life threatened twice during that time.

plus you really dont need to be rich to live in new york. most new yorkers arent

ws

[SugarB]

MossadConspiracy said:

haha maybe but a place like Baltimore definitely does not compare. My cousin from Egypt spent a year and a half living there and he had his life threatened twice during that time.

plus you really dont need to be rich to live in new york. most new yorkers arent

ws

hahahah yeah ok your right a balitmore...but when I was speaking about balitmore i was really more talking about the surrounding areas.

of course you dont need to be rich to live in ny...my family lives there so know how people live, but i personally feel that to give your kids a proper,safe,normal childhood you need to have substantial wealth.

the public schools in the city are...not the best, and the private schools are expensive for an average middle class family with 3 kids.

im not sayin its horrible way to grow up....just not a good one hahaha.
I doubt little kids in nyc can go sledding, and have waterfights in their neighboorhood, build snowman's and treehouses in their backyard.

and have little muslim friends( of different ethinicites mind you) to hang out with all the time...without it being a transportation nightmare.

and forget the masjids that are pretty much ethinically based and not women friendly.

I grew up in a masjid community.....and I dont see that much NYC.

[MossadConspiracy]

salam

you're right about the treehouses.. i've never seen one in new york. i disagree with everything else because i had a proper safe normal childhood in nyc and my family isnt wealthy. i went to public school and so did all my siblings and alhamdulilla none of us are in prison or dead. I have lots of muslim friends from different ethnicities and most of them have had the same experience. you just have to take advantage of the unique opportunities that are available in new york and not in other places

there are some things that most people cant have in new york, like a big single family home with a back yard and a pool and access to a community center with a gym and so on, the way you would see in a subdivision down south. we dont have huge shopping malls or wal marts either. its a different lifestyle, some people like it some people dont

ws

[SugarB]

MossadConspiracy said:

salam

you're right about the treehouses.. i've never seen one in new york. i disagree with everything else because i had a proper safe normal childhood in nyc and my family isnt wealthy. i went to public school and so did all my siblings and alhamdulilla none of us are in prison or dead. I have lots of muslim friends from different ethnicities and most of them have had the same experience. you just have to take advantage of the unique opportunities that are available in new york and not in other places

there are some things that most people cant have in new york, like a big single family home with a back yard and a pool and access to a community center with a gym and so on, the way you would see in a subdivision down south. we dont have huge shopping malls or wal marts either. its a different lifestyle, some people like it some people dont

ws

thats its defintately a particular lifestyle and mostly nyc people or choose that type of lifestyle hahahaha.

but im curious about what unique opportunites you were refering to thats only nyc has to offer?

[MossadConspiracy]

new york has lots of educational opportunities. For example, i went to one of the best high schools in the USA, and it was a public school that cost me nothing. That helped me alot. For people in business or finance, New York is where most of the top tier jobs are in this country (especially finance). For medical people, it is also home to alot of medical schools and their residency programs, including 4 premiere institutions which has got to be more than any other city.

i'm not too concerned about the arts and cultural stuff, but new york has that and alot of people do take advantage of it. I do like having convenient access to so many activities whenever i feel like doing them and so many destinations to go to at any time of day or night

population is more diverse than elsewhere, Queens county is the most diverse county in America. This is important for immigrants who want to stay connected to their people. And for black people, the center of black culture for the last 100 years is in New York. A muslim can feel at home in new york much more than in a suburban environment. I've seen it myself when i've gone to the south.

There are good islamic schools in new york too, but i think the best one is a shia one (its supposedly the best in America, or one of the best)

ws

[SugarB]

MossadConspiracy said:

new york has lots of educational opportunities. For example, i went to one of the best high schools in the USA, and it was a public school that cost me nothing. That helped me alot. For people in business or finance, New York is where most of the top tier jobs are in this country (especially finance). For medical people, it is also home to alot of medical schools and their residency programs, including 4 premiere institutions which has got to be more than any other city.

i'm not too concerned about the arts and cultural stuff, but new york has that and alot of people do take advantage of it. I do like having convenient access to so many activities whenever i feel like doing them and so many destinations to go to at any time of day or night

population is more diverse than elsewhere, Queens county is the most diverse county in America. This is important for immigrants who want to stay connected to their people. And for black people, the center of black culture for the last 100 years is in New York. A muslim can feel at home in new york much more than in a suburban environment. I've seen it myself when i've gone to the south.

There are good islamic schools in new york too, but i think the best one is a shia one (its supposedly the best in America, or one of the best)

ws

you bring up good points, but you also threw in alot of your opinions but on a whole I think their are alot of areas of the countries that hold that same benefits that you mentioned without the problems associated with nyc.

[Timbit]

Variable said:

Well apparently Vancouver's the best place to live... I like it because it's really easy to find my favourite cheese there.

TOP TEN
Vancouver
Melbourne
Vienna
Geneva
Perth
Adelaide
Sydney
Zurich
Toronto
Calgary

City Mayors: Best cities in the world (EIU)

(actually in the new version Calgary is tied with Toronto )

Oh yeah.

[jigglypottamus]

sixpakistan said:

NYC is a crappy place to raise a family.

Are you speaking from experience?

[sixpakistan]

MossadConspiracy said:

new york has lots of educational opportunities. For example, i went to one of the best high schools in the USA

Did you go to Stuyvesant?

IbnMardhiyah said:

Are you speaking from experience?

I've lived there, if that's what you're asking. I've never tried to raise a family there, but then I haven't tried to raise a family anywhere else either

[jigglypottamus]

sixpakistan said:

I've lived there, if that's what you're asking. I've never tried to raise a family there, but then I haven't tried to raise a family anywhere else either

Oh okay. Well, we do have family in NY and NJ, and they work in NYC, their kids go to school there, and last I visited them, ... as a family they were doing just fine.

[MossadConspiracy]

sixpakistan said:

Did you go to Stuyvesant?

yeah, so did my sister and one of my brothers. my other brother went to bronx science. those schools open up alot of opportunities for people who get in.

The reason I got into stuyvesant is because I went to a gifted program in elementary school and another one in junior high school. My siblings mostly went through the same elementary school program. It was in our neighborhood public school, so it was free.

also, New York has unique advantages at the college level. For example, there are two biomed programs in the CUNY system which guarantee admission into medical school. Baruch is a CUNY school but it is well regarded in the New York business community and finance world and because of all the internships and opportunities that are available to the students there, they can end up with jobs similar to the ones that Wharton grads are getting. I only mention CUNY schools because the tuition is so cheap. There are also alot of fellowships and scholarships that are available only to students in New York. My brother was a fellow in such a program that gave him a bunch of money and allowed him to work at the UN, at a major criminal defense firm, and at a political think tank in Washington DC.

[Bluestar]

“What's the use of a fine house if you haven't got a tolerable planet to put it on?”

Thoreau

[Haramoobobi]

Houston, DC, Northern Cali--TO would be wonderful as well... Dallas is uh... a no but it's a lot better then most places. NC like someone said has a great community there. Dearborn--but it seems kinda... grey and dead. Chicago suburbia is good too.

[khadeeja29]

i'm sorry.. but i'm effin through with this place. i've been raised in nyc all my life, and honestly the quality of living is NOT worth the high costs of living. i would not want to raise my son here. i wish i could leave right now, but it's not possible at this time.

but, they say once you leave NYC (and you're a native new yorker), you're always comparing NYC to the place you live.

[Haramoobobi]

sally said:

the best way to build a stable family and home is with a person who cares

I concur...

[ChotooMotoo]

khadeeja29 said:

but, they say once you leave NYC (and you're a native new yorker), you're always comparing NYC to the place you live.

I think that's true of anyone from any place. I'm always comparing things to the Pacific Northwest. That's the place I know best, so naturally that's what everything will be compared to. My mom compares everything with L.A., since that's where she grew up.

[sixpakistan]

IbnMardhiyah said:

Oh okay. Well, we do have family in NY and NJ, and they work in NYC, their kids go to school there, and last I visited them, ... as a family they were doing just fine.

Living in Jersey & working in NYC is a different story.

As far as I'm concerned, NYC sucks & everyone from the area talks like a doofus and mistakenly thinks they're cool for living there.

[SugarB]

sixpakistan said:

Living in Jersey & working in NYC is a different story.

As far as I'm concerned, NYC sucks & everyone from the area talks like a doofus and mistakenly thinks they're cool for living there.

hahahahaha I competely agree....I dont get why NYC people cant fathom that their are places in america that are just as great or even greater

[Asvi]

i grew up in NJ..it's not too bad.
northern VA is nice and we have a big Muslim community but the area is mad expensive. (where i live)

[sally]

traffic in northern virginia is terrible

texas is ugly.

the newish areas in southern states are hot. as in cool

i wish there was an actual muslim community in vermont or maine or something. cuz those places seem cool.