[Skinwalker]

Kamasatti, on 23 March 2011 - 11:50 AM, said:

It would seem that the "Planet X" is in fact a red dwarf star:

G1.9 Confirmed a Binary Red Dwarf Star

This star is also mentioned in Islamic tradition, for example:

"A star with a luminous tail will rise from the east before the Mahdi emerges."

(Muhammad ibn `Abd al-Rasul Barzanji, Al-Isha`ah li Ashrat as-Sa`ah, p. 200)

and some believe that Surah At-Tariq (i.e. Chapter 86) in the Qur'an refers to it:

By the heaven, and At-Tariq (the night-comer); And what will make you to know what At-Tariq (night-comer) is? (It is) the star of piercing brightness; There is no human being but has a protector over him (or her) (i.e. angels incharge of each human being guarding him, writing his good and bad deeds, etc.) So let man see from what he is created! He is created from a water gushing forth Proceeding from between the back-bone and the ribs, Verily, (Allah) is Able to bring him back (to life)! The Day when all the secrets will be examined (as to their truth). Then will (man) have no power, nor any helper. By the sky (having rain clouds) which gives rain, again and again. And the earth which splits (with the growth of trees and plants), Verily! This (the Quran) is the Word that separates (the truth from falsehood). And it is not a thing for amusement. Verily, they are but plotting a plot (against you O Muhammad). And I (too) am planning a plan. So give a respite to the disbelievers. Deal you gently with them for a while. (Qur'an 86: Surah At-Tariq)

Thanks for the article and the references. It would seem that this 'Planet X' has been known by the ancients for some time now.
*The Chinese called it The red dragon

* “The Destroyer” in the Old Testament of the Bible

* “The Destroyer” in ancient writings of the Egyptians

* “Wormwood” in the book of Revelation

* “Nibiru” in the writings of the Sumerians and Babylonians

* “Marduk” in the Babylonian religion

* “Phateon” in the Greek literature

* “Nemesis” in the Greek mythology

* “Apollyon” in Babylonian mythology

* “Apollo” in Greek mythology

* “G1.9” as a working title by NASA

* “Eris”, the name given by NASA to the newly discovered 10th planet which could also be an attempt to move your attention away from the real thing

* “Planet X” by various astronomers and authors

* “Nemesis” as a nickname by NASA scientist

* “The Planet of the Crossing” in ancient writings

* “Brown Dwarf” is the term that classifies the object in its astrophysical nature

There is much in a name - the idea is that it is following the Brown Dwarf or Dark Star in its orbit is also possible.



Andy Lloyd discusses this on his website DarkStar1UK



"I believe that the Dark Star plays an important part in our own history; because this object emits heat, and a small amount of dim light. It warms and nurtures its own planetary system. That system is capable of supporting complex life, right on our cosmic doorstep. This is what makes the Dark Star Theory so relevant to anyone studying ancient mysteries. It creates a local dark star system where visitors to our planet came from in the distant past, and where, in a way, we may have come from too. These ideas of cosmic visitors from Nibiru are derived from the writings of the late Zecharia Sitchin, but find credibility through the Dark Star Theory. This sub-brown dwarf is part of a much bigger picture - one involving a whole new paradigm."






Nibiru called the”Planet of the Crossing” is represented in ancient history by a cross and a winged disk reflecting the supreme deity in the Sumerian and Babylonian temples. Nibiru is also the god of 50 names and king of gods.

Planet Nibiru is also known as Marduk and Planet X. It is described by some as supposedly the twelfth member in the solar system’s family of planets which includes the 10 planets, the sun, and the moon.
According to Zecharia Sitchin, Nibiru has an orbit around the sun of 3,600 Earth years. To understand Sitchin, he is one of the handfuls of people today who can translate the ancient language of Sumerians, Egyptians and Hebrews along with other modern languages. He has devoted his life on studying ancient civilizations and translating ancient texts, cuneiforms and clay tablets.

Nibiru is a planet that orbits our sun every 3600 years. It got its name from being an elusive planet. It is suggested that current astronomy points to the possibility that Nibiru is a brown dwarf or dark star rather than a planet. This has the implication that our solar system, like the majority in the known universe, is a binary star system; in other words, Earth has two suns with Nibiru being the second and less bright.


The coolest star in the sky! Newly discovered 'Brown Dwarf' has same temperature as a cup of tea

By Julian Gavaghan



Scientists were this week amazed after the discovery of space's dimmest and coldest star - with a temperature the same as a cup of tea.

The two brown dwarf stars stunned astronomers when they were spotted through a set of three high-powered telescopes.

Both of them are about the same size as Jupiter but the smaller, more distant, star has a surface temperature of around 100 degrees.

The incredibly cool temperature - the same as a freshly boiled cup of tea - makes it the coldest one in the night sky.



At last: The coldest ever brown dwarf, right, was found hiding beside a brighter star 75m light years away

A warmer and brighter companion had originally obscured the brown dwarf which has been named CFBDSIR J1458+1013B.

But with new, more powerful telescopes, astronomers were able to see the star, which is almost five times dimmer and 130 degrees cooler than the previous record.

The brown dwarf may represent a new class of cosmic objects straddling the division between stars and planets.

'We were very excited to see that this object had such a low temperature, but we couldn't have guessed that it would turn out to be a double system and have an even more interesting, even colder component,' said star-gazer Philippe Delorme of the Institut de planétologie et d'astrophysique de Grenoble which studied the brown dwarf.

Brown dwarfs are balls of warm gas that lack the mass necessary to fuse hydrogen at their core.

Stars, such as their cousins, white dwarfs, can do this and consequently can burn for more than 4.5billion years at a temperature of 5,500C.

What separates brown dwarfs from huge planets is not yet defined. However, planets are generally not big enough to generate their own heat by fusing deuterium.

The brown dwarf may be the first evidence of a new type of star, called a ‘Y spectral’ object, that more closely resembles a planet.

CFBDSIR J1458+1013B is bluer than is typical of brown dwarf, which are usually have a varied red or brownish hue.


It was first identified by astronomers at the Keck II and Canada-France-Hawaii telescopes, located near the summit of Hawaii’s Mauna Kea mountain.

Researchers at the European Southern Observatory’s Very Large Telescope measured its ultra-low temperature.

However, CFBDSIR J1458+1013B’s record-holding days may already be numbered as fellow satellite, the Spitzer Space Telescope, recently spotted two similar stars await precise temperature measurements.

‘At such temperatures we expect the brown dwarf to have properties that are different from previously known brown dwarfs and much closer to those of giant exoplanets,’ astronomer Michael Liu of the University of Hawaii told Wired.com

‘It could even have water clouds in its atmosphere.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz1Hfjn1YXB


Fascinating stuff. Wouldn't you agree?

[Marvelicious]

We won't know until late 2013 whether our solar system even contains a brown dwarf star, so in the meantime we're just speculating.

[Skinwalker]

Marvelicious, on 02 April 2011 - 06:43 AM, said:

We won't know until late 2013 whether our solar system even contains a brown dwarf star, so in the meantime we're just speculating.

Maybe, but it's fun to speculate!

[Marvelicious]

Skinwalker, on 11 April 2011 - 09:07 AM, said:

Maybe, but it's fun to speculate!

The funny thing about the universe is that despite being incredibly complicated truly weird stuff rarely happens..

[Skinwalker]

Marvelicious, on 12 April 2011 - 03:56 PM, said:

The funny thing about the universe is that despite being incredibly complicated truly weird stuff rarely happens..

You got that right!

Off to find some more weird stuff now.

[Skinwalker]

Great interview on current geologic events and what could be causing them, including the brown dwarf.

[Skinwalker]

It would seem that Planet X has been making the news since the 1950's.

Here's a story in the Spokane Daily Chronicle, Dec 9, 1950

[Skinwalker]

There really could be a giant planet hidden far beyond Pluto



Pluto is about forty times the distance from the Sun as Earth. But the Solar System is over 50000 times that length across, meaning it could be hiding some huge secrets. That's now looking like a small but real possibility.

In recent years, astronomers have discovered a bunch of planets located at least 100 astronomical units, or the distance from the Sun to the Earth, away from their host stars. These planets are gas giants - they would have to be for us to see them at all - so this is something very different the dwarf planets like Pluto and Eris discovered in our solar system's Kuiper Belt and beyond.

There's almost no chance that these giant planets could have formed as part of their host star's planetary disc, considering their immense distance away. That strongly suggests that these are former rogue planets captured by the star's gravity. Hagai Perets of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics and Thijs Kouwenhoven at Peking University's Kavli Institute for Astronomy and Astrophysics teamed up to figure out just how often we can expect stars - potentially including those like our own Sun - to capture these giant wandering planets. ScienceNOW reports their results:

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Because most stars are born with others, Perets and Kouwenhoven ran computer simulations to see what happens when a star cluster contains free-floating planets. If the number of free-floating planets equals the number of stars, then 3% to 6% of the stars succeed in capturing a planet, and some stars capture two or three. Most of the captured planets end up hundreds or thousands of times farther from their stars than Earth is from the sun. Furthermore, most captured planets have orbits tilted to those of native-born planets, and half the captured planets revolve around their stars backward.

Their work depends on having a good grasp of how many rogue planets there really are, and we can't be sure our current estimates, which suggest there area as many wandering planets as there are stars, is accurate. But if these results are accurate, then our Sun, whose mass is slightly above average, had a real chance of capturing one or more planets eons ago.

The chances aren't huge by any stretch - probably only a few percent, according to Perets - but if their numbers are accurate, then the possibility of such a planet definitely exists. Coupled with some recent, admittedly far from convincing signs pointing to such a planet's possible existence in the Oort Cloud, the Solar System might just have one gigantic secret waiting for us to discover.

For more, check out ScienceNOW. Read the original paper at arXiv. Artist's conception of rogue planet via NASA/JPL.

[AM415]

I'm on a more important mission: The Search for ScorcherX

[ChotooMotoo]

AM415, on 23 February 2012 - 12:50 AM, said:

I'm on a more important mission: The Search for ScorcherX

seriously, what happened to that dude?

[AM415]

ChotooMotoo, on 23 February 2012 - 01:00 AM, said:

seriously, what happened to that dude?

He got married
Had a kid
And dropped off the face of this Earth
...not necessarily in that order


edit: The kid was after the marriage though, that's in order

[Skinwalker]

AM415, on 23 February 2012 - 12:50 AM, said:

I'm on a more important mission: The Search for ScorcherX

[Skinwalker]

Could this be Nibiru or one of its moons? This is wild.

[Kamasatti]

Skinwalker, on 15 March 2012 - 09:46 PM, said:

Could this be Nibiru or one of its moons? This is wild.

Even if that were fake, it would be hard to tell for the average person, since there are very few people, if anyone, watching the skies over Antarctica to confirm or deny it.

[Skinwalker]

Kamasatti, on 16 March 2012 - 10:49 AM, said:

Even if that were fake, it would be hard to tell for the average person, since there are very few people, if anyone, watching the skies over Antarctica to confirm or deny it.

I believe the official line is to deny it.

[Skinwalker]

Very weird.

[Kamasatti]

Skinwalker, on 16 March 2012 - 10:24 PM, said:

I believe the official line is to deny it.

Perhaps, but that isn't the line I'm using, since I cannot disprove it. However, I am skeptical of it, especially since they seem to have faked another video like that, where they used an old photo of Saturn's moon Dione to pass it off as that unknown celestial object over the skies of Antarctica. This has already been demonstrated here:

Skinwalker, on 16 March 2012 - 11:58 PM, said:

Very weird.

It may appear weird at first, but when looking into the phases of the moon, you realize that the crescent side of the moon always appears on the opposite side in the southern hemisphere than it does in the northern hemisphere, since from the southern hemisphere, you would be looking at it upside down, relative to the northern hemisphere.

If anyone is going to claim that the object in the video is not the moon, the crescent side of it proves nothing.

I find this interview to be more convincing than those questionable amateur videos:

[Skinwalker]

Kamasatti, on 17 March 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:

Perhaps, but that isn't the line I'm using, since I cannot disprove it. However, I am skeptical of it, especially since they seem to have faked another video like that, where they used an old photo of Saturn's moon Dione to pass it off as that unknown celestial object over the skies of Antarctica. This has already been demonstrated here:





It may appear weird at first, but when looking into the phases of the moon, you realize that the crescent side of the moon always appears on the opposite side in the southern hemisphere than it does in the northern hemisphere, since from the southern hemisphere, you would be looking at it upside down, relative to the northern hemisphere.

If anyone is going to claim that the object in the video is not the moon, the crescent side of it proves nothing.

I find this interview to be more convincing than those questionable amateur videos:

I didn't say it was the line you were using Kam. Thanks for the info on the moon in the southern hemisphere. Anyway, I'm not actually trying to prove or disprove Planet X. Just examining all the evidence. If some proves to be fake - well and good. But that doesn't mean you can discount all of them. The first video dated 2-27-12 is real I believe as the zoom to the 'moon' is unedited, taken with a camera phone by the look of it and it is not Dione as in the other one. It is also not our moon. Are you aware that there is buzz around the net that the US set up a giant telescope in Antarctica to look for Planet X?

Interesting interview from the ex nasa guy.

[Kamasatti]

Skinwalker, on 19 March 2012 - 08:46 PM, said:

I didn't say it was the line you were using Kam.

Yes, but I wanted to clarify my position on that issue.

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Thanks for the info on the moon in the southern hemisphere. Anyway, I'm not actually trying to prove or disprove Planet X. Just examining all the evidence. If some proves to be fake - well and good. But that doesn't mean you can discount all of them.

While you can't really discount all of them because of a few fakes, that also doesn't mean you should accept them as true until proven otherwise. There should always be some skepticism.

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The first video dated 2-27-12 is real I believe as the zoom to the 'moon' is unedited, taken with a camera phone by the look of it and it is not Dione as in the other one. It is also not our moon.

This is also true, and which is why I cannot discount it. However, if it turns out that it's also a fake using something else, then obviously, I would have no choice but to discount it. It is interesting though, that in the first few moments of the video when you see it from a distance, its crescent is on the opposite side of the moon that it should be on in the southern hemisphere:

Moon phases calendar February 2012 - Southern Hemisphere

However, if those are supposed to be flags, they shouldn't be in suspended animation like that.

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Are you aware that there is buzz around the net that the US set up a giant telescope in Antarctica to look for Planet X?

Yes, I heard about that a long time ago. A lot of Antarctica's skies are not really viewable from any place else, so that could also be a reason for it.

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Interesting interview from the ex nasa guy.

Yes, and it is one of the reasons why I am somewhat open to the whole concept.

[Skinwalker]

Planet X or Dark Star?
Andy Lloyd's startling hypothesis, if proved true, could turn Planet X from a conspiracy-tinged myth into a scientific reality

The idea of Planet X isn’t a new one; scientists have been actively pursuing its presence in our galaxy for the best part of 100 years now.

One of the first was astronomer Clyde W Tombaugh, who inadvertently discovered Pluto – which he initially gave the temporary name ‘Planet X’ for 10th planet – while scanning the skies for a Neptune-sized body causing anomalies in both Uranus’s and Neptune’s orbits during the 1930s. Unfortunately for Tombaugh, Pluto was far too small – a mere 0.2 per cent the size of Earth – to exert the force required to create such anomalies.

However, Planet X returned to infamy once again during the 1980s in the work of American physicist Richard A Muller, who proposed in his book Nemesis: The Death Star (1984) that a giant planet on an elongated orbit, known as ‘Nemesis’, ‘Nibiru’ or ‘Planet X’, could be passing near the Oort cloud and sending comets flying into the inner Solar System every 26 million years, thus explaining the timing of Earth’s extinction cycles. However, Muller’s theory began to lose its charm after scientists and astro­nomers failed to discover any conclusive evid­ence of such a comet-displacing body.

But in 1983, a joint project between NASA, the Netherlands Agency for Aerospace Programmes and the UK Science and Engineering Research Council known as the Infrared Astronomical Satellite, or IRAS, began to reveal some rather significant anom­alies – and the first “real” evidence of a Planet X-type body on the far reaches of the Solar System. On 31 December 1983, the Washington Post reported the following: “A heavenly body possibly as large as the giant planet Jupiter and possibly so close to Earth that it would be part of this solar system has been found in the direction of the constell­ation Orion by an orbiting telescope aboard the US Infrared Astronomical Satellite.”

Unfortunately, the IRAS project was wound up after only 10 months due to technical problems with the satell­ite; and while it did reveal numerous anomalies, the most significant of them, including the fabled Jupiter-sized object, were explained away by the mainstream science community as dist­ant galaxies. Since then, Planet X has been relegated to the confines of conspiracy forums and far-fetched assert­ions by researchers intent on proving that Earth will be destroyed by Nibiru in the year 2012.

But the IRAS project left some 350,000 anomalies unexplained at its conclusion, which means investigations into the potential existence of Planet X are far from over – especially if Andy Lloyd, a UK-based writer, researcher and author, has anything to do with it.


SCIENCE AND MYTH
The subject of Planet X divides opinion. On one side are scientists attempting to find an additional extra-planetary body within our Solar System; on the other, you have conspiracy theorists rolling out their various end-of-days scenarios for 2012. Somewhere in the middle of this epistemological divide is Andy Lloyd, who presents a hypothesis which could potentially bridge the gap between science and myth once and for all.

Lloyd tells me he first became interested in Planet X after reading Zecharia Sitchin’s books, which claim that early Sumerian civilisation was created by an alien race called the Anunnaki who came to Earth from the planet Nibiru – or Planet X. According to Sitchin, the Anunnaki (identical with the Biblical Nephilim), genetic­ally manipulated **** sapiens DNA with their own to create mankind, who they soon put to work mining precious minerals and gold before the humans revolted and the Anunnaki left.

Sitchin’s theories are based on his interpretations of ancient texts, such as the Babylonian creation myth of the Enûma Elish, which, he says, not only describe the creation of our Solar System but also how Nibiru interacts with it every 3,600 years. Needless to say, his claims have been panned by scientists and Sumerian scholars alike.

Andy Lloyd says that while Sitchin’s theories make interesting reading, they “couldn’t possibly work on a physical and scientific level”. For starters, a planet like Nibiru would freeze over on such a large orbit around our Sun – rather detrimental to any life forms inhabiting it. However, Lloyd’s hypo­thesis avoids this problem by suggesting that Planet X isn’t actually a planet after all. Instead, Lloyd proposes that it’s a sub-brown dwarf.

Scientists are still rather vague on an actual definition of a sub-brown dwarf. Although it’s now generally accepted that they form from gas clouds, in a similar manner to stars, the distinct­ion between a sub-brown dwarf and a planet is unclear, with astronomers divided into two camps.

With this in mind, Lloyd gives me a definition of a sub-brown dwarf in layman’s terms: “If you take Jupiter and dump more and more matter into it, it’ll start to condense, which means it gets smaller and heavier. And once you’re at five or six times the mass of Jupiter, you’re in sub-brown dwarf territory – they’re sort of proto-stars.”

Scientists have yet to come up with any conclusive evidence of these sub-brown dwarfs; they’re very hard to spot as they don’t emit much light and are practically invisible in the blackness of space. Nevertheless, there are a few “suspected” sub-brown dwarfs, such as 2M1207b, SCR 1845-6357, Cha 110913-773444, and OTS 44, which are currently under scrutiny.

However, more startling evidence regarding Planet X surfaced at the beginning of March this year when scientists suggested – again – that a brown dwarf-type object could very well be orbiting our Sun and throwing comets into the inner Solar System, causing catastrophic extinctions on Earth every 26 million years. [1]


NEW LIFE
Lloyd assures me that his Dark Star theory is a “nuts-and-bolts hypothesis” that’ll either be proved right or wrong – and probably within the next few years. Among other things, it opens up the potential for life to exist on the doorstep of our Solar System.

When stars are born, Lloyd explains, it usually happens within stellar nurseries, and for this reason stars tend to form in clusters – which is why the majority of observed star systems are binary in nature. Hardly a revelation, but when you consider that finding single star systems, such as ours, is very rare, it starts to sound more and more probable that something like the Dark Star – or a companion star to our Sun – could be a real possibility.

Brown dwarfs, he continues, form with their own planetary discs, like our Sun; and, again like our Sun, they can form their own planets. In this sense, Lloyd’s proposed Dark Star could be described as a miniature solar system within our Solar System.

In a purely hypothetical sense, Lloyd goes on to suggest that not only is life a possibility on the planets orbiting the Dark Star but that conditions would be more favourable to life than those we regularly endure here on Earth: “Earth, as a planet, is considered the jewel of the universe, because it has life. However, it’s bombarded with all kinds of harmful radiation, such as UV rays, Gamma rays and cosmic rays. In a sub-brown dwarf system, because it doesn’t burn with the intensity of the Sun, this isn’t the case. Also, in terms of location, the Dark Star is in a relat­ively quiet part of space, which means there’s less chance of it being affected by comets and dangerous hazards that have caused mass extinctions on Earth before. In this context, life could have evolved over a longer, and uninterrupted, time period on a planet orbiting the Dark Star.”

Lloyd’s theory also explains several anomalies which scientists have observed on the outskirts of our Solar System. One of which is the Kuiper cliff, an anomaly or disruption within the Kuiper belt. The Kuiper belt, which is like a second asteroid belt beyond Neptune, is thought to have been created from fragments of the original proto-planetary disc around the Sun that failed to fully coalesce into planets and instead formed into smaller bodies, which now orbit the Sun. Lloyd proposes that the Kuiper cliff, which is essentially where the belt stops dead, could be caused by the Dark Star, as it would take something extremely mass­ive to create such an aberration within a system that should – in all probability – be uniform in its composition. “Something massive, like the Dark Star, could have come and, because of its gravitat­ional power, torn a hole in the Kuiper belt similar to how Saturn’s moons have made holes in its ring,” suggests Lloyd.

Another interesting anomaly can be found in the Heliopause, farther out than the Kuiper belt and generally defined as the area where the outgoing solar wind and the incoming plasma from interstellar space meet. The Heliopause surrounds the Solar System and has long been thought to be uniform in shape. However, deep space probes have now revealed that it isn’t as uniform as the scientists had believed.

“The two probes, which passed through the Heliopause, did so at different points, which means that the heliopause is dented, or that it’s not uniform in shape; and this wasn’t expected,” says Lloyd.

NASA claims that the anomaly could be caused by a molecular cloud, but Loyd doesn’t buy this: “If you look at the Heliopause, a secondary object, such as the Dark Star, which has its own sufficient gravitational energy could cause these anomalies in the Heliopause’s shape. In addition to this, a Dark Star would also throw out lots of particles and have its own electromagnetic field, which, again, could affect the shape of the Heliopause in this way too.”


THE END OF THE WORLD?
I ask Lloyd if he might hazard a guess as to the Dark Star’s current location, but he claims it would be impossible to do so, as we haven’t even detected it yet. However, he does suspect that its orbit is more likely to be in the tens of thousands of years rather than Sitchin’s 3,600-year cycle. Perhaps, he says, it exists in the void between the Kuiper belt and the Oort cloud; its being there might explain why nothing else is.

Will Planet X cause the end of the world in 2012? Lloyd isn’t a believer, though he admits that something like the Dark Star would have a huge effect on Earth if it passed nearby; and he’s interested in the Mayan calendar, central to so many 2012 doomsday theories.

Lloyd believes that the Mayan calen­dar, like Sitchin’s interpretation of Sumerian texts, is undoubtedly based on astrology and the movements of the stars; it could be a system for recording some kind of anomaly, such as the Dark Star passing through the Solar System.

“Why would a culture, like the Mayans, design a calendar that starts thousands of years before they existed and end it thousands of years after their demise – could they have known something we don’t?” he wonders.
As Lloyd says, his theory is a nuts-and-bolts one that’ll either be proved correct or false. While he’s confident that the Dark Star will be discovered, he’s also prepared for the chance that it won’t be – it’s this agnostic approach that makes Andy Lloyd an example to forteans.

Could he be the man to create a bridge between science and myth, or will his fabled Dark Star remain an elusive object that forever evades our telescopes in the blackness of space?

Watch this space.




Note
1 The Sun reported on 12 March 2010: "An invisible star may be circling the Sun [the heavenly body rather than the newspaper!] and causing deadly comets to bombard the Earth, scientists said yesterday."




All three books are published by Timeless Voyager Press, and are available through Amazon: The Dark Star: The Planet X Evidence (2005) Ezekiel One (2009) The Followers of Horus (2010).