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#21 User is offline   ShahRukh 

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Posted 03 September 2007 - 03:35 PM

The article says Mr. Mortan had more than 6 million in assets but doesn't give details as to what he actually owns in terms of cash, land, properties, businesses, etc. He earned $8 million dollars after winning a lawsuit over a medical malpractice that resulted in one of his teenage daughters death. Also It tells us Mr. Mortan was involved in real-estate business after being a handyman for ...years.

In terms of taking revenge, the most women usually do to hurt their husbands using a frying pan, punch them, or kick them in the nuts, worst of all they attempt to stab their partners, which is quite rare and not to mention they usually 'fail' at such attempts. however, Its highly unusual for a 'woman' to kill her partner cuz most women dont have the balls to carry out a crime of that magnitude let alone a wife whose been with her husband for over 20 years. Also, its extremely extremely rare for a woman to kill her partner that she's been with for over 20 years. Cases like that are almost non-existent - except that she completely went psycho, however, theres no evidence in support of that precondition.

Now many questions arising... Which large scale real-estate transactions was Mr. Morton involved in? Were there any vested corporate interests in any of his properties? Was Mr. Morton involved in any legal battles over the properties or businesses he recently acquired or owned?

This appears to be a very sophisticatedly planned murder. The idea of Mrs. Morton being behind her own husbands death is quite frightening - I really dont think thats the case.

And Neither feminism nor polygyny are reasons for the murder.

I think the Authorities are trying to shred any evidence they have of the intruder who Mrs. Morton alleges that killed her husband.

Could the Authorities be behind the murder?

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Posted 03 September 2007 - 04:47 PM

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Aw come on, we all know Aryan and Anderson love to troll it when it comes to polygamy :)


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Posted 03 September 2007 - 04:54 PM

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Posted 06 September 2007 - 09:47 AM

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Posted 26 September 2007 - 04:19 PM

."A woman killed her longtime husband hours before he was to leave on a trip to Morocco to try to impregnate his new second wife, prosecutors said in murder charges filed Thursday"

Didn't read the rest of the article, I simpatise with her. If he married another irrespective of his vifes wishes, he was a bad, bad man.
I don't understand how can somebody be so emotionaly dead to take another vife.
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Posted 19 April 2010 - 01:51 PM

Anderson said:

Like Aryan said polygamy is the right of every man, this guy was doing something very noble considering todays lesbonazi climate.

Just goes to show two things:

1. Feminism kills.

2. Polygamous marriages should stay a secret, the Prophet (pbuh) said women were created deficient and sometimes their minds are unable to cope with awesome stuff like polygamy.

Innalillahi wa inna ilayhi rajioon

May Allah grant him the status of Shaheed.

Also I can't believe how apologetic people are, was Hitler excusable cos the Jews didn't consider his feelings? Were Pol Pot's crimes excusable because the Cambodians never considered his feelings?


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This post is relatively late in terms of the article. However, the above comments are so ridiculous I have to comment on the unending ignorance of many people who quote Hadith and those who claim to be Muslim. If Anderson could possibly explain how Feminism kills, then perhaps he might have a point. But he can not. Maybe he can explain the continued violence against women at the hands of men and give a politically correct name to that. Doubt it. It is so easy to disparage women which is Islamically offensive and wrong, yet say nothing about the serious problem of spousal abuse, misogyny and just plain ignorance the permeates the Muslim community not only in the US, but throughout the world. Such ignorance is almost unbelievable.

For those who are seeking the truth, accurate information and proper guidance, the Prophet never said "women were created deficient and sometimes their minds are unable to cope with awesome stuff like polygamy." Islam teaches us that men and women are created differently. Regardless of their sex, each and every human being has their talents and their shortcomings. History records countless women who have developed into great thinkers, teachers, administrators, lawyers, judges, scientists and wonderful human beings. Anderson would not match one of them mentally or emotionally on a bad day with a baby crying and a computer down. Unfortunately, history also notes that when any person is deprived of opportunity, health and support, that person or group of people do not grow. I doubt that is Anderson's excuse for his biased, limited viewpoint based on lies, ignorance and male machismo.

The mothers of the Faithful, the female companions of the Prophet, the warrior women that did exist and fight for Islam had more ability (intellectually, emotionally, and spiritually) in the cuticle of their pinky than Anderson probably would have in 10 lifetimes.
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Posted 19 April 2010 - 04:46 PM

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This post is relatively late in terms of the article. However, the above comments are so ridiculous I have to comment on the unending ignorance of many people who quote Hadith and those who claim to be Muslim. If Anderson could possibly explain how Feminism kills, then perhaps he might have a point. But he can not. Maybe he can explain the continued violence against women at the hands of men and give a politically correct name to that. Doubt it. It is so easy to disparage women which is Islamically offensive and wrong, yet say nothing about the serious problem of spousal abuse, misogyny and just plain ignorance the permeates the Muslim community not only in the US, but throughout the world. Such ignorance is almost unbelievable.

For those who are seeking the truth, accurate information and proper guidance, the Prophet never said "women were created deficient and sometimes their minds are unable to cope with awesome stuff like polygamy." Islam teaches us that men and women are created differently. Regardless of their sex, each and every human being has their talents and their shortcomings. History records countless women who have developed into great thinkers, teachers, administrators, lawyers, judges, scientists and wonderful human beings. Anderson would not match one of them mentally or emotionally on a bad day with a baby crying and a computer down. Unfortunately, history also notes that when any person is deprived of opportunity, health and support, that person or group of people do not grow. I doubt that is Anderson's excuse for his biased, limited viewpoint based on lies, ignorance and male machismo.

The mothers of the Faithful, the female companions of the Prophet, the warrior women that did exist and fight for Islam had more ability (intellectually, emotionally, and spiritually) in the cuticle of their pinky than Anderson probably would have in 10 lifetimes.


You should troll more of Anderson's posts. A goldmine of sarcasm and tongue in cheek remarks awaits you. Try not to take Islamica too seriously, a lot of us come here to blow off steam.
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#28 User is offline   Jaysh 

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Posted 19 April 2010 - 04:53 PM

My opinion on polygamy is that a first wife can deny the husband the right to marry a second wife by stipulating it in the nikah contract.

Having said that, you are all mad if you can "understand" what she did. Taking the life of someone is no joke. I have this huge inhibition that prevents me from even striking someone, let alone KILLING them. I do not think I would ever be able to kill another human being, even if they did XYZ horrific crime to me or my family.

Yes, one can understand the feeling of wanting to kill someone, but actually going through with it is beyond madness...and such a person has some crazy part in them that allows for them to do that.
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 07:55 AM

eww, why was this bumped? :monkey:
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#30 User is offline   Jaysh 

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 10:29 AM

I'm going to add one more point to solidify my neo-hippie views on this site.

Not only do I think that the wife can deny the right to marry a second wife in the nikah contract, I also believe that a man is sinning if he takes a second wife if he married his first wife with any implicit understanding that they would be monogamous (which is clearly the case today for those of us living in the West) and if his marrying a second wife hurts the feelings of the first wife.

Hurting the feelings of someone else is a sin, and of one's own wife, is a big deal.
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 02:05 PM

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Allah will punish her. Polygamy is a man's right. What's the point of wearing a burka if you're not going to allow your husband to get more extra wives?


Uh whaaaaat??? First of all, what does a burka have to do with polygamy?

Secondly, from the looks of it, this couple comes from a country where romantic monogamous love is the norm and reality for almost all American couples. I dont blame this woman for being outraged since she was most likely raised expecting a monogamous marriage and, from the looks of it, has been married 20 years to the same man. Absolutely, killing him was a psychotic thing to do but I dont think divorce would be out of the question at all.

"impregnant his second wife..." way to word it to look like Muslim men just view their wives as livestock to breed.

Jaysh said:

My opinion on polygamy is that a first wife can deny the husband the right to marry a second wife by stipulating it in the nikah contract.



Yep. I did.

Jaysh said:

I'm going to add one more point to solidify my neo-hippie views on this site.

Not only do I think that the wife can deny the right to marry a second wife in the nikah contract, I also believe that a man is sinning if he takes a second wife if he married his first wife with any implicit understanding that they would be monogamous (which is clearly the case today for those of us living in the West) and if his marrying a second wife hurts the feelings of the first wife.

Hurting the feelings of someone else is a sin, and of one's own wife, is a big deal.


Agree 1000% Jaysh. Said wonderfully


Also consider the situations in which polygamy is used. Firstly, in many cultures around the world, polygamy and polyandry are practiced in cultures that require it for survival. In Tibet, there are multiple husbands to one wife because it will slow down (drastically) the population increase considering Tibet is a very small mountainous country that would not be able to support a large population. That is a situation where Polyandry is required for the survival of their culture as they know it. Polygamy also is a great way to increase population growth during a time of war and struggling like in the time our Prophet (pbuh) lived. It not only brought more people when people were needed, but it also provided a stable household and kept many women from being destitute and alone. That is a situation where polygamy is needed.

BUT in 2010 United States, there is no need for it. If there is no need for it, why do it? If its the personal choice of the family, than fine....but ONLY under that circumstance would I ever agree with polygamy. If its needed for cultural survival, or if its the personal choice of both parties in the original marriage union.

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 04:05 PM

Yes, why was this thread bumped...anderson's opinions have changed greatly from then.
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 04:07 PM

Rain said:

Yes, why was this thread bumped...anderson's opinions have changed greatly from then.


I hope they haven't changed to the point where he thinks it's okay for a woman to kill her husband rather than seek divorce :eek:

but yes, he has changed. This thread is what? 3 years old or some ridiculous number? Odd though it may seem to some, people can change dramatically in just 2 years.
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 04:09 PM

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I hope they haven't changed to the point where he thinks it's okay for a woman to kill her husband rather than seek divorce :eek:


No, he doesn't think it's okay, but he knows it's a possibility.
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 04:13 PM

Rain said:

Yes, why was this thread bumped...anderson's opinions have changed greatly from then.


I think his views were just cloudy back then.
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 04:15 PM

so much reference to the weather, jaysh.
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 04:19 PM

lol good. id hate for my witticism to go unappreciated
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 04:31 PM

This is really sad, but I'd put a good part of the blame on the husband. If he was neglecting his first wife and denying her her rights as a wife, that had to cause her enormous emotional distress. She should have divorced him, gotten the house, half the other assets, and made sure that he paid her some darned good alimony. Murder is not an acceptable way out of anything, but I can certainly understand how she got pushed to that point.
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 08:51 PM

Tanasi said:

This is really sad, but I'd put a good part of the blame on the husband. If he was neglecting his first wife and denying her her rights as a wife, that had to cause her enormous emotional distress. She should have divorced him, gotten the house, half the other assets, and made sure that he paid her some darned good alimony. Murder is not an acceptable way out of anything, but I can certainly understand how she got pushed to that point.


I agree. Imagine the emotions that play into your marriage partner wanting to marry another woman and go get her pregnant: Betrayal, heartbreak, jealousy, outrage....im sure this woman felt like her spouse of 20 years didnt care at all about her feelings if he can go off and do that despite her wishes.

I dont even know how I would feel if my husband did that. I cant imagine that. People do some crazy things when you push them that far. Im not making excuses for her but I understand why she would be pushed to that point too.
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Posted 21 April 2010 - 05:55 PM

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the prophet (pbuh) said women were created deficient and sometimes their minds are unable to cope with awesome stuff like polygamy.

:nervous: :flower:
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