[Good_ol_JR]

As a fan of both sports, I agree 100% with everything Joe Rogan says in this debate. Anyone who calls UFC "human cockfighting" is a moron who doesn't know anything about the sport.

YouTube - UFC vs BOXING

btw: the Calzaghe-Kessler fight yesterday was awesome, mad props to Joe

[wheelworks]

I've seen both. UFC is like two kids going at each other. No class or style and no drama involved. Now that I think about it, It does seem like human cockfighting donchaknow

[IbnMardhiyah]

Originally Posted by wheelworks

I've seen both. UFC is like two kids going at each other. No class or style and no drama involved.

Gee, that's probably why it's called MMA.

[WarriorAndWiseman]

Pride FC was so much better than UFC. I wonder how it's gonna fair with Dana White taking over.

As far as comparing Boxing to Mixed Martial Arts is concerned, the day's of Boxing being the dominant North American and European fighting sport are numbered. Fedor Emelianenko is the new Muhamed Ali.

Originally Posted by Good_ol_JR

Anyone who calls UFC "human cockfighting" is a moron who doesn't know anything about the sport.

A moron who doesn't know anything about real fights actually.

[wheelworks]

Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

Gee, that's probably why it's called MMA.

Yea the guy must have been drunk when he called UFC a part of MMA.

[Revert]

Okay Rogan is a comedian and i've yet to see the man fight.

As for UFC being "Human Cockfighting" thats a little harsh but not far wrong. I do respect certain UFC fighters but not the majority of the "ground and pound" guys. Theres no skill to it.

Before anyone goes off on the "what do you know" bandwagon

5 years MMA
2 years Boxing
2 years TKD
1 year weapons training.


So yeah i have a slight amount of experience in the ring and out of it. HOwever that doesn't make me an expert, i will share my opinon based on the experience though.

Boxing is a different beast to UFC

[Revert]

Originally Posted by Good_ol_JR

As a fan of both sports, I agree 100% with everything Joe Rogan says in this debate. Anyone who calls UFC "human cockfighting" is a moron who doesn't know anything about the sport.

YouTube - UFC vs BOXING

btw: the Calzaghe-Kessler fight yesterday was awesome, mad props to Joe

Compared too Boxoing it is..however they are 2 different beasts..its like comparing apples and sea water

[WarriorAndWiseman]

If one is going to go with the argument of the fight having to be aesthetically pleasing, I could say KyoKushin and K1 fights are superior to UFC, Pride AND Boxing but it doesn't take away from the fact that MMA is the true real world application of fighting skills. It is not a cockfight. It's science. Just like the other forms of fighting.

[Good_ol_JR]

Originally Posted by Revert

Okay Rogan is a comedian and i've yet to see the man fight.

As for UFC being "Human Cockfighting" thats a little harsh but not far wrong. I do respect certain UFC fighters but not the majority of the "ground and pound" guys. Theres no skill to it.

Before anyone goes off on the "what do you know" bandwagon

5 years MMA
2 years Boxing
2 years TKD
1 year weapons training.


So yeah i have a slight amount of experience in the ring and out of it. how ever that doesn't make me an expert, i will share my opinon based on the experience though.

Boxing is a different beast to UFC

1. Where did you ever get the idea that Joe Rogan is a fighter? He gets paid to be a commentator and he does that very well; have you ever asked why Howard Cosell or Larry Merchant never boxed? In that regard though, Rogan is either a black or brown belt in BJJ so he could probably beat the hell out of a good 80% of the male population. He even made a challenge to fight Wesley Snipes after Snipers(Karate black belt) claimed he was the best fighter amongst all celebrities. But Rogan never was a pro fighter or claimed to be.

2. I'm curious to know what type of MMA you did, or if you trained with any elite BJJ guys. I wrestle and trying to take down BJJ guys, hold them down, avoid submission attempts, pass their guard, mount them, and prevent them from escape in order to engage in a GNP takes quite a LOT of skill. I really question your knowledge of BJJ if you think avoiding subs, passing guard and mounting take no skill.

3. Anyone who has trained in BJJ and Submission wrestling and is educated on the techniques and submissions would not find the ground game to be boring.

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by Good_ol_JR

btw: the Calzaghe-Kessler fight yesterday was awesome, mad props to Joe

I don't like Calzaghe (Calslappy's) slapping style, but yeah, props to him. I was thinking Kessler (who I've been very impressed with) would take him apart, but Calzaghe made him look slow and plodding, even when he did sit down on his punches. That's the second huge, ripped guy who was favored by many to beat Calzaghe that he took apart with his unending series of slaps (the first was Lacy - Lacy and Kessler both have incredible physiques). IMO he could've finished Kessler after that bodyshot in the 8th (or was it the 9th?) if the idiot ref hadn't jumped in.

I think the talk about Calzaghe being 'the best 168 lber ever' is getting carried away when guys like Roy Jones Jr & James Toney have fought at that weight. Even Nunn, McCallum, and Tommy Hearns would've been tough fights for Calzaghe (or pretty much any fighter) at that weight.

I do think it's a horrible idea for Bernard Hopkins to fight him, though. As good as he is, Hopkins can't keep up with Calzaghe's insane workrate at his age, and doesn't have the power to seriously deter him. The only fighter I want to see Calzaghe in with is Chad Dawson.

A fight that will blow Calzaghe-Kessler out of the water in terms of entertainment factor & will at least compete with it in terms of skill level is the Miguel Cotto-Shane Mosley PPV coming up this weekend. Two very talented & heavy-handed guys who like to mix it up.

MMA is boring and looks homoerotic.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by Good_ol_JR

1. Where did you ever get the idea that Joe Rogan is a fighter? He gets paid to be a commentator and he does that very well; have you ever asked why Howard Cosell or Larry Merchant never boxed? In that regard though, Rogan is either a black or brown belt in BJJ so he could probably beat the hell out of a good 80% of the male population. He even made a challenge to fight Wesley Snipes after Snipers(Karate black belt) claimed he was the best fighter amongst all celebrities. But Rogan never was a pro fighter or claimed to be.

If your gonna talk smack and tlak with authority on a subject then you should at least have a small amount of experience on the matter. BJJ? Ju Jitsu is almost innefective in any street situation but I think we went over this before the big crash.

Originally Posted by Good_ol_JR

2. I'm curious to know what type of MMA you did, or if you trained with any elite BJJ guys. I wrestle and trying to take down BJJ guys, hold them down, avoid submission attempts, pass their guard, mount them, and prevent them from escape in order to engage in a GNP takes quite a LOT of skill. I really question your knowledge of BJJ if you think avoiding subs, passing guard and mounting take no skill.

I trained in a mixture of Kickboxing (based on Muay Thai and ground fighting(based on BJJ). I also trained in Vale Tudo with Lee Hasdell (a UK based MMA fighter/trainer). I also spent some time with Geoff Thompson and his crew learning REAL street techniques.

Originally Posted by Good_ol_JR

3. Anyone who has trained in BJJ and Submission wrestling and is educated on the techniques and submissions would not find the ground game to be boring.

I do find them boring as I prefer to be on my feet, i've been on the floor in street fight, my kidneys still suffer from the punishment they took.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

I don't like Calzaghe (Calslappy's) slapping style, but yeah, props to him. I was thinking Kessler (who I've been very impressed with) would take him apart, but Calzaghe made him look slow and plodding, even when he did sit down on his punches. That's the second huge, ripped guy who was favored by many to beat Calzaghe that he took apart with his unending series of slaps (the first was Lacy - Lacy and Kessler both have incredible physiques). IMO he could've finished Kessler after that bodyshot in the 8th (or was it the 9th?) if the idiot ref hadn't jumped in.

I think the talk about Calzaghe being 'the best 168 lber ever' is getting carried away when guys like Roy Jones Jr & James Toney have fought at that weight. Even Nunn, McCallum, and Tommy Hearns would've been tough fights for Calzaghe (or pretty much any fighter) at that weight.

I do think it's a horrible idea for Bernard Hopkins to fight him, though. As good as he is, Hopkins can't keep up with Calzaghe's insane workrate at his age, and doesn't have the power to seriously deter him. The only fighter I want to see Calzaghe in with is Chad Dawson.

A fight that will blow Calzaghe-Kessler out of the water in terms of entertainment factor & will at least compete with it in terms of skill level is the Miguel Cotto-Shane Mosley PPV coming up this weekend. Two very talented & heavy-handed guys who like to mix it up.

MMA is boring and looks homoerotic.

I am ashamed to say I missed the fight...you can beat me later boss.

Originally Posted by Good_Ol_JR

I really question your knowledge of BJJ if you think avoiding subs, passing guard and mounting take no skill.

I should have made myself clearer, i meant in comparison to real street situations. I respect BJJ fighters in their own environment, obviously it does take time to learn those techniques but outside of that setting they are useless. ALso I don't like the arrogance of MMA fighters, many i have trained with seem to have a superiority complex, as if they are Gods Gift to all things fighting.

[Good_ol_JR]

Originally Posted by Revert

If your gonna talk smack and tlak with authority on a subject then you should at least have a small amount of experience on the matter. BJJ? Ju Jitsu is almost innefective in any street situation but I think we went over this before the big crash.




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Rogan has more than a small amount of experience on the matter, he is close friends with and is a brown belt under Eddie Bravo one of the most well-known submission wrestlers in the world. Bravo won the defeated Royler Gracie via tiangle choke at the Abu Dhabi Submission Wrestling championships (only the best practitioners are invited to this tournament). And like I said before does Larry Merchant, Lou Dibella or Howard Cossell have boxing experience? no they probably havent sparred in there entire lives. They talk all the smack in the world.

As far as BJJ not being effective on the street, perhaps not when fighting multiple opponents who will stomp you on the ground; but in a one on one confrontation I would take an elite BJJ practitioner over any Kimbo Slice. Just look at Rickson Gracie's beach fight. He fought a much larger opponent, but completely controlled him on the ground using high level BJJ.

Also; just about all elite Jiu Jitsu schools have MMA programs. So I'm sure Rogan trains in wrestling and stand-up technique at Eddie Bravo's gym. Again he's not paid to be a pro fighter, but he would rough up your average street fighter any day of the week. He wouldnt challenge Wesley Snipes if he had no stand up skills.

I dunno if you saw the fight he got into on Fear Factor, it was pretty funny but Rogan totally roughed that guy up.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by Good_ol_JR

Rogan has more than a small amount of experience on the matter, he is close friends with and is a brown belt under Eddie Bravo one of the most well-known submission wrestlers in the world. Bravo won the defeated Royler Gracie via tiangle choke at the Abu Dhabi Submission Wrestling championships (only the best practitioners are invited to this tournament). And like I said before does Larry Merchant, Lou Dibella or Howard Cossell have boxing experience? no they probably havent sparred in there entire lives. They talk all the smack in the world.

How long has Rogan been training out of curiosity? After doing some research it seems he also has some experience in TKD too.

Originally Posted by Good_ol_JR

As far as BJJ not being effective on the street, perhaps not when fighting multiple opponents who will stomp you on the ground; but in a one on one confrontation I would take an elite BJJ practitioner over any Kimbo Slice. Just look at Rickson Gracie's beach fight. He fought a much larger opponent, but completely controlled him on the ground using high level BJJ.

Is that the one where he had a fight with Hugo Duarte? That was a laughable fight, Duarte was throwing WIDE WIDE punches and got took down because he didn't think. I personally believe that anyone with a firm grounding in striking can easily take down a ground fighter like an experienced BJJ fighter. Like I said I've seen and been in a few fights and i've seen seasoned Martial Artists taken out by comeplete novices.

Rule one of any fight out the ring, never go to the floor, you never know whos waiting to stick you with a blade or glass while you are scuffling on the floor. Fights are't about scuffling they are about taking the opponent down enough to get the hell out of there, theres no glory in dying.

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