MMA vs boxing debate

[Revert]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

Yeah, it's a tough call.

I think a prime Mosley takes him out, but Mosley has faded badly ever since the BALCO raids (must be a coincidence). Now, Mosley still has the faster hands and the better chin, but Cotto is younger, hits much harder, and is very strong. He stopped Zab Judah in 11, another fast fighter who can end any fight with one punch. Judah is a lot more delicate (physically and mentally) than Mosley, though. Mosley's never been stopped. Then again, Mosley is far more willing to stand in the pocket and trade punches than Judah.

Though my mind keeps telling me Cotto is tailor-made for Mosley, I gotta go with Cotto. Mosley isn't what he used to be; his best win in the past few years was his KO of the ghost of Fernando Vargas.

I'm going with Cotto by UD or late TKO in a tough scrap where Mosley shows his toughness, but also his age. But if Mosley seriously hurts Cotto (who can be hurt), he will finish him.

Who you guys got for Mayweather/Hatton?

I want to go with Hatton because he is my homeboy and i've been following his career since the late 90's back in the UK. I reckon Mayweathers gonna take him though.

[shadha]

Good_ol_Jr: I like IFL as well. Great place to watch the up and coming talent.

So where do these 'up and coming talent' go once they graduate from IFL?

At work yesterday, I was checking out some of the MMA and boxing/kickboxing books......if I didn't love myself as much as I do, I would be all into it, especially kickboxing.


shadha-

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by Revert

I want to go with Hatton because he is my homeboy and i've been following his career since the late 90's back in the UK. I reckon Mayweathers gonna take him though.

I think Hatton's got a shot. Everyone thinks Mayweather will take him to school coz the fight's at 147, but imo that's going to wind up being an advantage for Hatton on fight night. Hatton may have barely squeaked by Collazo (many thought he lost), but Collazo is a southpaw & is a lot bigger than Mayweather. And Hatton didn't have time to get to the weight the right way then - he does now. And he's naturally a bigger guy than Li'l Floyd, who started his career at 130 lbs and could still make 140 easy.

Plus, styles make fights; Hatton is a relentless come-forward pressure fighter, the style that slick boxers (like Floyd) have the most trouble with.

But I hate Hatton's ugly, mauling punch & hold style and the Pretty Boy's got otherworldly talent. Hatton's defense is also pretty nonexistent & he's shown a tendency to cut.

So I say Floyd by UD or late stoppage on cuts opened up from a million lead rights bouncing off Hatton's mug.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by shadha

Good_ol_Jr: I like IFL as well. Great place to watch the up and coming talent.

So where do these 'up and coming talent' go once they graduate from IFL?

At work yesterday, I was checking out some of the MMA and boxing/kickboxing books......if I didn't love myself as much as I do, I would be all into it, especially kickboxing.


shadha-

Everyone should take a few boxing classes, you never know when it might come in handy.

[shadha]

Revert: Everyone should take a few boxing classes, you never know when it might come in handy.

I know but I've been told that the instructors hit you to 'prepare' you. I don't get down with that. Don't hit me if I can't hit you back or don't hit me in my stomach while I'm doing push ups or some other foolishness like that. I hate that.

Also I don't want to get man arms.


shadha-

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Originally Posted by shadha

Also I don't want to get man arms.

shadha-

Haha! You won't get man arms from pushups and boxing unless you take steroids donchaknow...

[Revert]

Originally Posted by shadha

Revert: Everyone should take a few boxing classes, you never know when it might come in handy.

I know but I've been told that the instructors hit you to 'prepare' you. I don't get down with that. Don't hit me if I can't hit you back or don't hit me in my stomach while I'm doing push ups or some other foolishness like that. I hate that.

Also I don't want to get man arms.


shadha-

If you go to a reputable gym they won't hit you to prepare you, thats just retarded. They do condition you though, but unless you train 6 hours a day everyday i doubt you will get "man arms" lol.

Boxing prepares you for most street situations, most street fights last 10-30 seconds and the winner is usually the one who stays calm and uses good techniques to disarm and RUN! Boxing teaches you these striking techniques.

[someguyroy]

Originally Posted by Revert

If you go to a reputable gym they won't hit you to prepare you, thats just retarded. They do condition you though, but unless you train 6 hours a day everyday i doubt you will get "man arms" lol.

alot of gyms dont think its retarded. alot of gyms i know of throw you in the ring the first time you go there. trainers do it to see who has natural toughness so they know who to train. they dont like wasting their time on someone who isnt tough.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by someguyroy

alot of gyms dont think its retarded. alot of gyms i know of throw you in the ring the first time you go there. trainers do it to see who has natural toughness so they know who to train. they dont like wasting their time on someone who isnt tough.

Natural toughness?! Theres no such thing, fights aren't about how tough you are, they are determined by how much training you have had and how confident your are, all things that can be taught.

These are archaic practices that should stay in the old days along with wife beating and water divination.

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by Revert

Natural toughness?! Theres no such thing, fights aren't about how tough you are, they are determined by how much training you have had and how confident your are, all things that can be taught.

These are archaic practices that should stay in the old days along with wife beating and water divination.

old school gyms still do that sort of thing. they don't hesitate to rough you up, especially when you're starting out. some of the most well known gyms and trainers in the world still employ those methods.

there's definitely an element of toughness involved in winning fights. toughness has been a key ingredient to the success of many fighters who didn't have as much natural athleticism or refined technique as other fighters. the italian fighters of the 50s & 60s - jake lamotta, rocky marciano, carmen basilio, et al - were classic examples, as are many of the latino fighters from the 1970s-present. not to mention guys like matthew said muhammad, dwight qawi, aaron pryor, and others

[someguyroy]

Originally Posted by Revert

Natural toughness?! Theres no such thing, fights aren't about how tough you are, they are determined by how much training you have had and how confident your are, all things that can be taught.

These are archaic practices that should stay in the old days along with wife beating and water divination.

youve obviously never heard of something called heart. something that cant be taught.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

old school gyms still do that sort of thing. they don't hesitate to rough you up, especially when you're starting out. some of the most well known gyms and trainers in the world still employ those methods.

there's definitely an element of toughness involved in winning fights. toughness has been a key ingredient to the success of many fighters who didn't have as much natural athleticism or refined technique as other fighters. the italian fighters of the 50s & 60s - jake lamotta, rocky marciano, carmen basilio, et al - were classic examples, as are many of the latino fighters from the 1970s-present. not to mention guys like matthew said muhammad, dwight qawi, aaron pryor, and others

I still think its a BS practice based upon personal experience. Toughness is important but its not the defining factor of a fighter. Confidence is a HUGE factor but I guess thinking about it that ties into toughness. However I think thowing people into the ring and basically beasting them into being tough is a retarded practice. At the same time being airy fairy is not a good idea either, people ahve got to know how being punched in the face feels. I guess its the unecessary "Manliness" aspect of it that I disagree with.

Originally Posted by someguyroy

youve obviously never heard of something called heart. something that cant be taught.

I have heard of it, and it can be learned especially after training for a long time.

[someguyroy]

Originally Posted by Revert

I have heard of it, and it can be learned especially after training for a long time.

i have to disagree. confidence can be learned but it should not be confused wih heart. heart is something completely different. confidence is learned and helps alot coming into a fight. but if your in a fight and your getting beat up confidence isnt helping you then. when you know your losing and you know you most likely cant do much better, the only thing that makes you want to keep going is heart.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by someguyroy

i have to disagree. confidence can be learned but it should not be confused wih heart. heart is something completely different. confidence is learned and helps alot coming into a fight. but if your in a fight and your getting beat up confidence isnt helping you then. when you know your losing and you know you most likely cant do much better, the only thing that makes you want to keep going is heart.

I know the difference between heart and confidence bro. I still believe that heart can be learned, I've seen it in the many Dojo's, studios, and gyms i've trained in. Kids come in with no backbone and no drive to win (aka heart) after training in a supportive not too threatening environment they come out of themselves and learn that fighting instinct, i should know as it happened to me.

[someguyroy]

Originally Posted by Revert

I know the difference between heart and confidence bro. I still believe that heart can be learned, I've seen it in the many Dojo's, studios, and gyms i've trained in. Kids come in with no backbone and no drive to win (aka heart) after training in a supportive not too threatening environment they come out of themselves and learn that fighting instinct, i should know as it happened to me.

you still dont quite get it. and even IF you can learn heart, the whole point is that the trainers dont want to put in the effort of waiting for someone to learn it when they can start with someone who already has it.