MMA vs boxing debate

[shadha]

I like to watch IFL sometimes. It's not brutal like how boxing can be but it's still very entertaining.


shadha-

[Good_ol_JR]

Originally Posted by Aryan_

UFC isn't real fighting, it's just a commercialised gimmick, they sold out to make a quick buck. Boxing has its faults but to say a bunch of semi-naked beaners 69ing each other in a cage floor will spell it's demise is laughable.

Hey better us Beaners than you Pakis right. No one would pay to see the Silicon Valley nerds catfight. As far as UFC not being being real fighting; is that really you Larry Merchant? your clearly just trying to engage us MMA fans into pissing contest with yourself, but as I am a fan of both sports I'll decline for now and let you piss away with someone else. Or better yet suggest you walk into a BJJ academy spouting that kind of talk.

But as far as being sellouts and a gimmick, I think hardworking guys like Don King would be greatly offended that you could ever consider the idea that a sport could be more corrupt than boxing in that regard.

[wheelworks]

Originally Posted by Good_ol_JR

Hey better us Beaners than you Pakis right. No one would pay to see the Silicon Valley nerds catfight. As far as UFC not being being real fighting; is that really you Larry Merchant? your clearly just trying to engage us MMA fans into pissing contest with yourself, but as I am a fan of both sports I'll decline for now and let you piss away with someone else. Or better yet suggest you walk into a BJJ academy spouting that kind of talk.

But as far as being sellouts and a gimmick, I think hardworking guys like Don King would be greatly offended that you could ever consider the idea that a sport could be more corrupt than boxing in that regard.

Gosh it's really easy to push your buttons huh

[Good_ol_JR]

Originally Posted by wheelworks

Gosh it's really easy to push your buttons huh

Hey its Islamica its not like anyone here is the sensitive type, right? I never post out of anger, don't know where you saw that in my previous post. I was just trying to put in my 2 cents in a timely fashion.

Btw, did you know I was in a Janet Jackson/Luther Vandross music video at age 5? Look at the Arts and Humanities sub-forum

[Good_ol_JR]

Originally Posted by shadha

I like to watch IFL sometimes.


shadha-

I like IFL as well. Great place to watch the up and coming talent.

[sixpakistan]

sup revert how's it hangin, homie?

Originally Posted by Aryan_

Are you fooking kidding me? He's half vampire

Didn't help him much when Mike Tyson cleaned his clock for fooling around with his girl.

[Timbit]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

Didn't help him much when Mike Tyson cleaned his clock for fooling around with his girl.

Did he violate her or was it consensual?
'Cause that makes no sense... beating somebody up for fooling around with your girl, if she was the one who was cheating on you.

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by Timbit

Did he violate her or was it consensual?
'Cause that makes no sense... beating somebody up for fooling around with your girl, if she was the one who was cheating on you.

As I remember reading, she went on a date or something with Wesley Snipes. Tyson suspected something was up and had someone following her. He caught up to them in a restaurant (or something) with her sitting on his lap. Snipes freaked out and Tyson told him to get into the bathroom. They both went into the bathroom & Tyson's bodyguard stood in front of the door to block it off.. a minute later Tyson walked out. Snipes was found in the bathroom unconscious.

It's a combination of respect and territoriality, I guess. Tyson is a very public figure & he probably felt like Snipes was openly disrespecting him and encroaching on his territory.

He ditched the girl, obviously. Beating her probably wouldn't have been a good idea. Snipes is a multi-millionaire who wanted the incident hushed up to protect his tough guy image, whereas the chick probably would've sued for millions. Makes a lot more sense to just ditch her. Plus, beating a chick is kind of unsporting (especially if you're Mike Tyson).

[Timbit]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

As I remember reading, she went on a date or something with Wesley Snipes. Tyson suspected something was up and had someone following her. He caught up to them in a restaurant (or something) with her sitting on his lap. Snipes freaked out and Tyson told him to get into the bathroom. They both went into the bathroom & Tyson's bodyguard stood in front of the door to block it off.. a minute later Tyson walked out. Snipes was found in the bathroom unconscious.

It's a combination of respect and territoriality, I guess. Tyson is a very public figure & he probably felt like Snipes was openly disrespecting him and encroaching on his territory.

He ditched the girl, obviously. Beating her probably wouldn't have been a good idea. Snipes is a multi-millionaire who wanted the incident hushed up to protect his tough guy image, whereas the chick probably would've sued for millions. Makes a lot more sense to just ditch her. Plus, beating a chick is kind of unsporting (especially if you're Mike Tyson).

I wasn't suggesting he beat her up instead (even if he would have been able to keep it quiet). Was just wondering why he beat the guy up. All he had to do was break up with the girl...

Just 'cause he's violent for a living doesn't mean he has to be violent in his personal dealings too.

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by Timbit

I wasn't suggesting he beat her up instead (even if he would have been able to keep it quiet). Was just wondering why he beat the guy up. All he had to do was break up with the girl...

Just 'cause he's violent for a living doesn't mean he has to be violent in his personal dealings too.

Well, to be fair, he wasn't arbitrarily violent. He did what pretty much any guy would do in that situation. I speculated on why above (re: disrespect). Men tend to be territorial, and they tend to get violent when their territory is encroached upon. Heck, a lot of women are like that too. They might not get violent, but theyll get the "other woman" somehow.

Ahem.

So, anyone looking forward to Cotto-Mosley?

[Timbit]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

Well, to be fair, he wasn't arbitrarily violent. He did what pretty much any guy would do in that situation. I speculated on why above (re: disrespect). Men tend to be territorial, and they tend to get violent when their territory is encroached upon. Heck, a lot of women are like that too. They might not get violent, but theyll get the "other woman" somehow.

Ahem.

So, anyone looking forward to Cotto-Mosley?

Right, well.... these same people probably wouldn't have any qualms about encroaching on other people's "territory."

And just 'cause a lot of people do it doesn't make it right.

If my husband or fiance or whoever was cheating on me, I wouldn't blame "the other woman." She's not the one who's supposed to be in a committed relationship with me. It's his fault entirely.

Not that I'd have any respect for her, but I'm just saying I wouldn't want to get revenge on her. She doesn't matter. If it wasn't her, it'd be somebody else. If a person wants to be unfaithful, they will. And yeah, it's sad that they could find any number of people to be unfaithful with, but hey... people have no scruples. There's no need to get violent though.

Anyhoo. About that Cotto-Mosley, eh? So exciting!

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by Timbit

Right, well.... these same people probably wouldn't have any qualms about encroaching on other people's "territory."

How can you draw that conclusion about everyone in the world who is territorial?

Originally Posted by Timbit

And just 'cause a lot of people do it doesn't make it right.

Book 009, Number 3572:
AI-Mughira b. Shu'ba (Allah be pleased with him) reported that Sa'd b. 'Ubada (Allah be pleased with him) said: If I were to see a man with my wife, I would have struck him with the sword, and not with the flat part (side) of it. When Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) heard of that, he said: Are you surprised at Sa'd's jealousy of his honour? By Allah, I am more jealous of my honour than he, and Allah is more jealous than I. Because of His jealousy Allah has prohibited abomination, both open and secret And no person is more jealous of his honour than Allah, and no persons, is more fond of accepting an excuse than Allah, on account of which He has sent messengers, announcers of glad tidings and warners; and no one is more fond of praise than Allah on account of which Allah has promised Paradise.

Well, a sahaba (may Allah be pleased with him) stated this to the Prophet (SAW). He didn't say he'd punch the guy. He said he'd kill him. The Prophet (SAW) didn't take issue with it, and in fact said that his jealousy of honour (gheerah) was greater, and Allah SWT's is greater still.

It's a natural feeling. Men are violent sometimes. In this somewhat effeminate society, we're given the impression that violence in any situation is wrong. But violence is not always a bad thing.

Originally Posted by Timbit

Anyhoo. About that Cotto-Mosley, eh? So exciting!

Yeah. Who's your pick? :P

[Revert]

Originally Posted by Good_ol_JR

Hey better us Beaners than you Pakis right. No one would pay to see the Silicon Valley nerds catfight. As far as UFC not being being real fighting; is that really you Larry Merchant? your clearly just trying to engage us MMA fans into pissing contest with yourself, but as I am a fan of both sports I'll decline for now and let you piss away with someone else. Or better yet suggest you walk into a BJJ academy spouting that kind of talk.

But as far as being sellouts and a gimmick, I think hardworking guys like Don King would be greatly offended that you could ever consider the idea that a sport could be more corrupt than boxing in that regard.

It depends on what you consider fighting, i don't consider UFC "fighting" but I do consider it a sport just as Boxing is. From my own personal view being in the ring for both sports, i'd say Boxing is the more strategic of the both. MMA is more explosive hence why it appeals to the majority of drunken frat boys.

As you know as a Boxing fan, boxing is intense and you have to follow it closely. I enjoy watching MMA matches every so often but I always end up going back to boxing.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

Yeah. Who's your pick? :P

I haven't been following boxing too closley the past few years but I am favouring Mosley, just because I like his style.

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by Revert

I haven't been following boxing too closley the past few years but I am favouring Mosley, just because I like his style.

Yeah, it's a tough call.

I think a prime Mosley takes him out, but Mosley has faded badly ever since the BALCO raids (must be a coincidence). Now, Mosley still has the faster hands and the better chin, but Cotto is younger, hits much harder, and is very strong. He stopped Zab Judah in 11, another fast fighter who can end any fight with one punch. Judah is a lot more delicate (physically and mentally) than Mosley, though. Mosley's never been stopped. Then again, Mosley is far more willing to stand in the pocket and trade punches than Judah.

Though my mind keeps telling me Cotto is tailor-made for Mosley, I gotta go with Cotto. Mosley isn't what he used to be; his best win in the past few years was his KO of the ghost of Fernando Vargas.

I'm going with Cotto by UD or late TKO in a tough scrap where Mosley shows his toughness, but also his age. But if Mosley seriously hurts Cotto (who can be hurt), he will finish him.

Who you guys got for Mayweather/Hatton?