[shadha]

AsSalamu' Alaykum,

I find this to be a good reminder for Muslims...

Holy Homosexuals


shadha-

[Ibn Abu Ibrahim]

Why is that a reminder for Muslims?

[wheelworks]

Lucky for him, he had Levitacus to protect him

Originally Posted by Ibn Abu Ibrahim

Why is that a reminder for Muslims?

Glue your finger tips to your temples and think about it for a bit. Mebbe you'll get it eventually

[Jamroll]

Originally Posted by Ibn Abu Ibrahim

Why is that a reminder for Muslims?

Not to follow the Bible? lol.

[Shahnawaz]

The lesson for Muslims is not to deny some parts of the book, because eventually you will have to deny all of it. Or atleast be called a hypocrit. Let all the "Radical Middle Way" take heed of Shadha's very astute findings.

Indeed, in the people of the book are lessons for Muslims. Let us not fall into the same errors. Al-Quran: KalamUllah.

[shadha]

Shahnawaz: The lesson for Muslims is not to deny some parts of the book, because eventually you will have to deny all of it. Or atleast be called a hypocrit. Let all the "Radical Middle Way" take heed of Shadha's very astute findings.
Indeed, in the people of the book are lessons for Muslims. Let us not fall into the same errors. Al-Quran: KalamUlla

Unfortunately, I have to agree with numbnuts about the reasoning for posting up this video.

Know the book you declare to be following. When 9/11 first happened, everyone thought they were the original readers of the Qur'an and consequently our own verses were being 'turned' against us. Think back to that verse, paraphrasing, 'Kill them wherever you find them". How many times has that verse alone been raped?

Then, a second part as to why I posted this video up- if you reject certain parts of the Qur'an, be prepared to eventually be in the position of rejecting all of it. Unlike, Hadith, you can't really pick and choose what you want to follow out of the Qur'an.

Watching the Dr. in the video stumble over his answers and then realizing he has no answers so he just began walking away...I didn't know whether to laugh or be sadden.

Do we want that to be OUR future?

I guess it all goes back to...Iqra. Read. Read in the name of your Lord...He blessed you with the ability, start utilizing it, for your protection and the protection of the 'Din.


shadha-

[Shahnawaz]

I agree with the person who I thought no sane human being will ever agree with. Except for the "raped" comment. These are the literal words of Allah, they are pristine as the day they were spoken. Its is only evil people who are the ones who "rape" their dignity of all its worth when they start rejecting Ayaat.

[shadha]

Yeah. That's nice.

Anyway, any other thoughts?


shadha-

[ChotooMotoo]

I guess the lesson is, don't take things out of context and then say "according to the Quran it's okay for me to beat my wife" is that what you're trying to say?

[YOUSUFofSD]

it was kinda wierd, the bishop was like your very learned and was walking away because he didnt want the guy to show him all of the verses.

[Skinwalker]

The bishop walked away as he could tell that the interviewer wasn't genuinely asking questions but was being facetious instead. The same argument can be applied here to reading the Bible as to the Koran. A verse out of context is a pretext.

[YOUSUFofSD]

well he was telling him to look it up physically in the book, it wouldn't have been hard to read a few verses back and show the interviewer if it was supposedly taken out of context.

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by YOUSUFofSD

well he was telling him to look it up physically in the book, it wouldn't have been hard to read a few verses back and show the interviewer if it was supposedly taken out of context.

The thing is, it wasn't really taken out of context. The Bible really does say those things in the context most people take it as. Read Leviticus yourself, and you'll see. The thing is that modern Christians kind of pick and choose which parts of the bible are "relevant" to the modern age, and which parts of that "relevant" material they actually follow.

[YOUSUFofSD]

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

The thing is, it wasn't really taken out of context. The Bible really does say those things in the context most people take it as. Read Leviticus yourself, and you'll see. The thing is that modern Christians kind of pick and choose which parts of the bible are "relevant" to the modern age, and which parts of that "relevant" material they actually follow.

oh i agree chotoomotoo, but his(roberto's) argument was that it was supposedly taken out of context.

[Skinwalker]

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

The thing is, it wasn't really taken out of context. The Bible really does say those things in the context most people take it as. Read Leviticus yourself, and you'll see. The thing is that modern Christians kind of pick and choose which parts of the bible are "relevant" to the modern age, and which parts of that "relevant" material they actually follow.

ChotooMotoo, I went and asked some Christian friends of mine about this and they explained that the book of Leviticus is in the old testament (or covenant) that was made between God and the Jewish people. The new testament (or covenant) is the new agreement that God has made with all of mankind (Jews included) that Jesus came to tell about, and that we are now in a period of grace. eg. When the lawmakers took the woman caught in adultery to jesus to have her stoned, Jesus pointed out (quite truthfully I might add) that as none of them were innocent of sin, they had no right to cast stones at her. He then told the woman that her sins were forgiven and that she should repent and go and sin no more. So what we are supposed to do is ask God for forgiveness, repent of wrong doing and find someone to do some good to if I understood them right. The examples they gave me were that Jesus was known to hang around with sinners, prostitutes and drunkards etc, and that his example of forgiveness and acceptance is supposed to be followed and that we are not to make judgements but unfortunately we don't see much of that happening today.

I guess if I were to imagine Jesus being around today, he would probably be friends with these people (homosexuals) as well, but also tell them to repent. I think the question was posed to a person in the wrong religion and probably should have been addressed to a rabbi as it is from the Old Testament and they don't accept the new Testament and the teachings of Jesus.

Personally I think that homosexuality is the result of genes being messed up and I have a hard time condemning people for something they were born with, especially when their chromosomes are all mixed up such as being born with both male and female organs or appearing to be male but having the dna of a female etc. So just looking at them from the outside without really knowing the medical condition doesn't qualify me to judge them.