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I remember purchasing a small metaphysical treatise by an
author with a foreign name way back in 1976 as I was
browsing the shelves in a small spiritual bookstore located
amidst a beautiful garden in Ojai, California. The title was
The Book of Certainty: The Sufi Doctrine of Faith, Vision and
Gnosis, and the author was Abu Bakr Siraj ad-Din. At the
time, I knew nothing of Islam, let alone who the author was,
yet the title intrigued me. It was, in essence, what I was searching
for - certainty.
I read as much of the book as I could but recall not understanding
very much. It quoted extensively from the Quran and
offered highly esoteric commentaries in a language quite foreign
to me. I set it aside, but my curiosity had been piqued that
shortly thereafter, in a life-altering transaction, I purchased a
Quran and began to read a very personal revelation that
would compel me to convert to the religion of Islam.
After more than a decade abroad seeking sacred knowledge,
I returned to the United States and was soon teaching
courses on Islam. Not long after I was asked to teach a series
of lectures based upon the life of the Prophet, peace be upon
him. I agreed but needed a text in English for the students. I
began looking for a sound biography of the Prophet that was
written in an English style that did justice to the story.
Surprisingly, for a man who the American historian
Michael Hart ranked the single most influential human being
who every lived, hardly anything serious biographical literature
was available other than poorly written works published
in far-off places or polemics and misrepresentations. I was
somewhat despondent and then I discovered the finely produced
Muhammad: his life based on the earliest sources, by Dr
Martin Lings. I knew who he was because I had been warned
that I should be careful when reading his books. What I didn’t
know at the time was that Dr. Martin Lings and Abu Bakr
Siraj ad-Din, the man whose book led me to the Quran, were
one and the same person. Nevertheless, I decided to read the
book and assess it for myself.
I was quickly immersed in a story told by a master storyteller
whose English oft-times sang and always soared. The
Prophet’s life was masterfully narrated through a series of short
chapters in a prose as engaging and poetic as Lytton Strachey’s
in Eminent Victorians, only the subject matter was not on an
eminent Victorian but rather written by one who appeared to
be. My father, a fine critic of English literature, remarked after
reading it that unfortunately the prejudice Westerners have for
the topic has prevented it from being recognised as one of the
great biographies of the English language.

The book had such a profound impact on my life that I
adopted it for the class I was about to teach. In preparation I
read it several times, making extensive notes and checked references
to the original sources quite often. I was astounded at
the historical accuracy of the text and the providential care so
evident in the author’s choice of versions as well as the underlying
structure of the story as he chose to tell it. He followed
closely the work of Ibn Hisham but augmented it with several
other historical sources.
For those who attended the class, it will be an indelible
experience marked by the grace that pervaded it as well as
tears that flowed frequently. I attribute this to the topic of the
course but also to the wonderful presentation of the material
in Dr. Lings’ book. The lectures were later produced as a tape
set and was widely appreciated throughout the United States,
Canada, the United Kingdom, and even as far away as
Pakistan and Malaysia.
I later came into contact Dr. Lings’ students in the UK who
were pleased with the set and suggested that I meet him. I complied,
and on my first visit I was accompanied by the wellknown
Muslim photographer, Sidi Abdal Adheem Sanders,
who has made it his mission in life to photograph as many
righteous people throughout the world as possible.
When we arrived at Dr. Lings’ humble residence in Kent,
we entered into a sparse living room; it had subtle but palpable
serenity commonly experienced by those who visit people
of copious prayer and invocation. I was struck by the surroundings, the absence of furniture in the room and the simple
straw matting on the English cottage floor.

A few minutes later, Dr. Lings, well over ninety years of
age, entered the room slowly yet gracefully, greeted us, and
asked us to sit down. He sat on a small alcove that looked out
upon a stunning English garden that I later learned was of his
own tending and in which he is now buried. I spoke of how
much his book had influenced me and told him that I had used
it as a basis for my class. He thanked me and yet humbly
protested that he had never intended to do something as presumptuous
as write the Prophet’s biography - peace be upon
him, but having been prevailed upon by others finally relented.
When I told him of my father’s remark, he replied that of
the four levels of English, he had written the work at the highest
one - far from a boast it was uttered as simple statement of
fact from a man who had a degree in medieval English from
Oxford, taught Shakespeare at university for twenty years,
and wrote poetry like John Donne!

I then requested a belated permission to teach the book
should I do so again in the future. He graciously complied and
signed the copy I had brought with me. He began to discuss
our present age and how unfortunate it is that people are severed
from their spiritual roots. He mentioned how when he
had been a child in England, prayer was the lifeblood of the
family, and he lamented that many people in England no
longer prayed nor even taught their children to do so. He
remarked that many people had forgotten that although God
is merciful, He nonetheless has a wrathful side and that when
people did not actively work to purify themselves, great tribulations
came upon them as a result. It seemed, to him, that the
world was on the brink of some great purification.
After the meeting, both Sidi Abdal Adheem and I agreed
that the presence of the man was not dissimilar to that of some
of the righteous men we were fortunate enough to have met in
the East.
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In South Asian culture such a state and the people
who posses it are called hazrat, derived from the Arabic word
for ‘presence,’ which results from a person’s wakefulness
achieved through constant remembrance of God.
Another quality that impacted both of us was the utter
humility he displayed that was as genuine as the sheepskin
rugs he offered us to sit upon. What struck me more than anything
else was that during the entire conversation he almost
always prefaced his remarks or followed them with a verse
from the Quran, which he quoted with an eloquent Arabic
accent. His slow and deliberate method of speaking instilled in
the listener an anticipation of what was to come as well as a
sense that the speaker was acutely aware of the angelic scribes
who were anticipating and recording the conversation.
I was happy that I had the good fortune to meet such a
man; but lamented that I had never bothered to visit him
before. In the weeks that followed, several things that he had
mentioned in our hour-long conversation returned to occupy
my thoughts, particularly some insights into the Quran that he
had brought to my attention. I vowed that if I were in England
again, I would try to visit him once more.
Our next meeting came shortly after the first. This time
though I was in the company of Habib ‘Ali al-Jifry, the wellknown
scholar and inviter to Islam from Yemen, and a small
group of friends. I had known Habib ‘Ali for several years and
he had desired to see Dr. Lings after being told of him by Fuad
Nahdi, publisher of Q-News. Habib ‘Ali has an immense
respect for elders and especially for those who have served the
Prophet in some way. When he heard of the excellent book Dr.
Lings had penned and his love for the Prophet, he desired to
visit him with us.
The day that we arrived at the doorsteps of Dr. Lings’
abode it was overcast and the atmosphere had an English wetness
about it. This time, the good doctor welcomed us at the
door and I attributed this to Dr. Lings impeccable comportment
towards a direct descendent of the Prophet, and God
knows best. He led us to the same room as before and invited
us to sit. Habib ‘Ali sat closest to Dr. Lings, and I sat next to
Habib ‘Ali.
Before speaking, Dr. Lings apologised to us and explained
that, while during his time in Egypt, he had become quite fluent
in Arabic, unfortunately since his return to England his
spoken Arabic had been neglected and become quite rusty
from lack of use but that he would do his best. To our surprise,
he began to speak a very mellifluous classical Arabic that
impressed both Habib ‘Ali and me.
Someone who was present brought up a thorny issue that
was the source of the many warnings I had received about Dr.
Lings’ books. The subject had to do with the belief that the
world’s great religious traditions - Judaism, Christianity,
Hinduism and Buddhism - teach essentially the same perennial
truths as Islam does and therefore, like Islam, they each
retain a validity of practice to this day. The subject is referred
to in modern discourse as ‘Perennialism.’
Dr. Lings responded to the question with comments that
were highly philosophical. He reasoned that it is God’s
Wisdom and His Will to keep these spiritual traditions alive
until the present day. Dr. Lings substantiated his arguments
with verses from the Quran. It was evident to me that the outward
and apparent meaning of the verses he cited affirmed
what he said but his interpretation was certainly not the classical
view of the verses as understood by the accepted exegetes

of the Quran throughout Islam’s history.
Even so, both Habib ‘Ali and I felt that, while Dr. Lings’
view on the subject was not mainstream, it was not a complete
rejection of the classical Islamic position which holds that previous
religious dispensations were abrogated by the final message
of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, and certainly
his own conversion to Islam indicated that fact. What
we heard instead was a rather novel interpretation based upon
Dr. Lings’ own thought and reading of sacred traditions that
he had most likely inherited from his teachers. It is in fact a
position entertained by the late Fazlur Rahman in his book,
Major Themes of The Qur’an.
The underlying justification for this approach is an attempt
to reconcile the scriptural antinomy of an all-merciful deity who
displays wrath, in which a focus on God’s overriding mercy
mentioned in the Quran extenuates those scriptural statements
that stress eternal wrath. An abstruse issue that several classical
scholars wrestled with including Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah, Imam
Al-Ghazzali and Shaykh Ibn ‘Arabi al-Hatimi.
I interjected at one point and mentioned Imam al-
Ghazzali’s orthodox and yet satisfying view presented in his
intriguing Faisal al-tafriqah that suggests that the majority of
Christians and Jews and even peoples of other faiths and
creeds could ultimately gain salvation since they did not reject
a true and compelling presentation of Islam.
What they rejected rather was the tragic misrepresentation
through distortion or the bad behavior of those who claimed
to follow the true teachings of the Prophet Muhammad. Thus,
according to Imam al-Ghazzali, this allowed for God’s ultimate
forgiveness for the masses of humanity.
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Both Habib ‘Ali and I felt that Dr. Lings was most certainly
a devout and pious Muslim, fully committed to the teaching
of the Prophet and one who rooted his thought and practice in
the Quran despite our clear differences with him on the subject
of perennialism. I believe that his spiritual presence was a
cogent argument for his practice and commitment.
An aspect of Islam that many modern Muslims fail to
recognise is the vast diversity of opinion that has accumulated
over the centuries of Islamic history, much of it rooted in what
is known as ta’wil (interpretation). Indeed, throughout Islam’s
life of over fourteen hundred years, scholars have sought as
many interpretive excuses as possible for heterodox utterances
before attacking someone or worse still condemning such people
of heresy.
I am reminded of Imam Abu Hasan’s statement recorded
by Imam Dhahabi in Siyar A’lam an-Nubala: “We do not

anathematise anyone from the community of believers; rather,
these are semantic issues upon whose meanings we differ.”
Imam Dhahabi remarks that this was also the position of his
own teacher Ibn Taymiyyah towards the end of his life, when
he said, “We do not anathematise anyone who guards his
wudu, as the Prophet said, ‘Only a believer guards his wudu.’”
Another point less frequently made is that our Prophet
himself informed us that the guidance of the later peoples
would not be the same guidance of that of the earlier community,
and yet it will be good. According to a sound hadith narrated
by Imam al-Bukhari, Hudhaifah relates:
“People were asking the Prophet, upon him be peace and
blessings, about good, and I decided to ask about evil out of
fear that it might affect me. So I said, ‘O Messenger of God,
we were in ignorance and spiritual privation, and then God
brought us all of this good. Is there any evil after this good?’
The Prophet replied, ‘Yes!’
I then asked, ‘Is there good after that evil?’
He said, ‘Yes but it will contain cloudiness!’
‘What is its cloudiness?’ I asked.
He replied, ‘A people who guide by other than my guidance;
some things from them you recognise and others you
reject …’”
In this hadith the Prophet, upon him be peace and blessings,
is telling us that people will come later who are good but
their teaching will have alien elements not contained in the
original purity of the Prophet’s teaching to such an extent that
it will not be recognisable to the early community and thus,
rightfully rejected. And yet he, peace be upon him, called such
people good.
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It is important for us to recognise the good in our community
and especially the scholars whom God has graced with
intellect and training, which enables them to see things others
do not see, and which as a result, causes them to sometimes
make mistakes and err in their judgment and understanding.
While some of the views Dr. Lings has expressed in his
insightful and brilliant writings are in contradistinction to
what my own teachers taught me and what I believe, they are,
however, rarified metaphysical considerations that are better
pointed out as heterodoxies that fall into a category of opinion
and interpretation that many of the great scholars of the
past have held, including but not limited to Ibn ‘Arabi, Ibn
Taymiyyah, Ibn Rushd, al-Farabi, Imam az-Zamakhshari, and
Ibn Sina. Many of our great scholars have maintained positions
based upon their idiosyncratic views and conclusions
that extended beyond the boundaries of mainstream orthodoxy



but this did not prevent the community of believers from
recognising their excellence and benefiting from their knowledge
and piety and looking for interpretive justifications or at
least excuses for them. Our scholars agreed upon matters that
all Muslims could grasp as well as what was most unambiguously
expressed in the Quran and Sunnah. They shied away
from metaphysical considerations inaccessible to most people
that also allowed for confusion or obfuscation. Imam Shatibi
opined that the sacred creed and law of Islam was in essence
‘illiterate’ (ummiyyah), in which he meant accessible to the
simplest of minds.
The urge to establish the universal applicability of God’s
mercy is rooted in the reconciliation of mercy with wrath and
an acknowledgment of mercy as God’s central attribute. Many
scholars of the past have grappled with this theological bugbear
and many still do. For instance, the well-substantiated
view held by Ibn Taymiyyah, may God have mercy on him,
that the Fire would eventually be extinguished was based upon
his belief that the mercy of God was too vast to punish people
eternally. He also based his opinions on a nuanced and highly
interpretive reading of verses of the Quran that condemned
some people to the hellfire eternally and substantiated his
views with certain confirmed statements of the companions of
the Prophet that buttressed his position. I read a book examining
his views on the matter and was dumbfounded by the
strength of his arguments and the subtle points he brought up
on the subject. His position is, however, heterodox, and thus
rejected by almost all the scholars of Islam. And while some
scholars anathematised him for his views, the majority recognized
it was heterodox but rooted in a sophisticated ta’wil
(interpretation) that was nonetheless incorrect.
It is well-known that the classical and soundest view in
Islam is that the Prophet’s message has abrogated previous dispensations
and that according to the authentic Hadith in
Imam Muslim’s collection anyone who is presented with a
sound picture of the Prophet, in other words the Prophet’s
veracity as a prophet, and is substantiated for him with clear
proofs, and yet still refuses to believe in him renders himself a
disbeliever and suffers the consequences. And while the four
schools of Sunni thought anathematise someone who does not
adhere to this view, their position is based upon an outright
rejection of the position and not those who use ta’wil to arrive
at heterodox understandings without denying any meaning
expressed in the Quran or the multiply-transmitted narrations
of the Prophet, peace be upon him. Such views are then categorised
as innovations.
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However, scholars are very careful about deeming someone
a disbeliever (kafir) who may hold heterodox beliefs as a
result of ta’wil. And interpretive statements that have been
deemed heterodox can be found in the works of Ibn ‘Arabi,
Sidi ‘Abd al-Karim al-Jili, Emir ‘Abd al-Qadir al-Jaza’iri,
Mevlana Jalaluddin Rumi and others. And despite all of those
illustrious men suffering attacks from some of the great as well
as less than great scholars of Islam, the community of scholars
and believers alike have, notwithstanding such views, taken
the good of such scholars and point out the areas of concern
while adhering to the majority view where they may differ.
The Perennialist Muslims in the West constitute a highly
educated cadre largely made up of converts, who have done
some of the finest work on Islamic materials and have presented
Islam in a beautiful and illuminating manner that has
made it accessible to people it would normally not have

reached, and with an aesthetic and intellectual dimension that
is sorely absent from many of the mainstream efforts. In spite
of the aforementioned concerns, to dismiss their noble endeavours
is unconscionable and mean-spirited.
In my subsequent meetings with Dr. Lings the issue of
Perennialism did not arise nor was I inclined to mention it. My
respect for his scholarship, discernable spirituality and metaphysical
insights, not to mention the fact that he was more
than twice my age in years and three times my age in Islam all
demanded I listen attentively to his wisdom and learn from his
character. He was a highly-educated Muslim who as the keeper
of Oriental manuscripts at the British Museum had spent
much of his adult life reading some of the finest Arabic manuscripts
ever put to pen by Muslims, entirely aware of the
orthodox position, and had read much finer arguments than
those I would be able to muster. I chose to set aside the position
I was taught and still adhere to and benefit from a unique
English Muslim sage in a bereft and derelict age of folly. As Dr.
Lings was a man who spoke when he had something to say
and said things that resulted from intense deliberation, I took
copious notes on all of my visits.
In my third and final visit to his home we largely discussed
his own poetry and the nature of the poetic muse as well as the
importance of poetry for the preservation of language. We ventured
into some other interesting areas that are fully expounded
in some of the his writings. Last year I attended an extraordinary
lecture he gave on Shakespeare and Islam at the Globe
Theatre in London. I was asked to introduce Dr. Lings and in
doing so I was afforded the extraordinary opportunity to thank
him publicly for being the means by which Allah had guided
me to Islam; and for that I am eternally indebted to him.
He would later apologise for his physical enervation during
the talk, but age, he said, was taking its toll. I was struck
by the sincere humility of this man and his self-effaced character.
My mother, who flew in from America, told me that she
had never met anyone with such a transcendent presence as
Dr. Lings. She later ordered his book on the Prophet, which I
subsequently found by her bedside.
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At the Globe, Dr. Lings had been signing books for some
people, and when the Moroccan ambassador asked for an
inscription, he changed from writing with his left hand to
using his right. Apologising for the poor penmanship, he said
he refused to write Arabic with his left hand out of deference
to the sacred script.
On speaking with a close friend of Dr. Lings who had
known him for over fifty years, I learned that the man had
been an atheist and that, upon meeting Dr. Lings, had rediscovered
his faith because, for the first time in his life, he felt he
had met a genuinely pious man of God. He eventually
embraced Islam at Dr. Lings’ hand and was still close to him
after several decades, with only increased admiration.
Dr. Martin Lings became Muslim in 1938, partly, he told
me, because he felt that Islam was unique among the world
religions in maintaining transmission in its revelation as well
as in its sciences through unbroken chains that involved a
“handing down,” the literal meaning of tradition.
He performed the Hajj in 1939 and explained to me that
his parents had helped finance his pilgrimage; he also mentioned
that upon arriving by ship at the port at Jeddah from
Sudan, he was asked by the ad hoc customs agents if he was
Muslim. He replied that he was, and they asked him for proof.
To this, he recited to them the simple creed of Islam that guar

guarantees
the right of anyone who utters it in the presence of witnesses
the title Muslim, “ashahadu an La ilaha illallah, wa
ashhadu anna Muhammadan ar-rasulullah!” They asked him
for some more proof, at which point he looked at them and
said, “What proof do you have that you are Muslim?” They
let him in.
His last public act was to celebrate the life of our beloved
Prophet, peace be upon him, at Wembley Conference Center
in London. Habib ‘Ali and I were invited to participate as well.
Before Dr. Lings spoke he was given a highly-warranted
lifetime achievement award for his dedication in spreading the
message of peace and love embodied in Islam. In his short talk

he spoke of the gift the Prophet was and of the Prophet’s active
engagement with his community and what a great blessing
that was for us. Dr. Lings left us with the subtle thought that
the Messenger is still with us. He left the hall immediately after
speaking.
I knew that he must have been tired and I felt gratitude to
have seen him again. I had shaken his hand and thanked him
for a remarkable reflection not knowing at the time I was
looking into his gentle and serene face for the last time.
My speech, which followed his, had been a result of something
that he had raised in his talk. The next day, Dr. Lings,
who I now called Sidi Abu Bakr, attempted to call me, and
when I returned his call he assured me that he had wanted to
attend my talk but was exhausted. He had called to reassure
himself that I took no offense at his early departure. On the
contrary, I replied, I was very happy that he could attend the
conference and was deeply moved by his words. He then told
me that he had not mentioned all that he had wished to say in
this talk, as he feared that perhaps people would misunderstand.
He told me that he was greatly struck by the Prophet’s current
involvement with his community, as Muslims around the
world saw him in their dreams and derived spiritual sustenance
from his vision. Moreover, he said that when writing his
book, Muhammad, he was overwhelmed with the presence of
the Prophet during the entire time and felt a great blessing in
having been able to complete it.
After some time on the phone, he said, “I am so sorry for
carrying on so long; please excuse me.” I realised I was speaking
to a man who embodied the prophetic character. I was not
interested in whatever differences we might have in abstruse
points of creed; I wanted only to learn from his gentle and
upright character.
Dr. Lings was a man of small physical stature, as if God
had created him to be close to the earth he loved and tended,
but he was a celestial intellectual and spiritual giant in an age
of dwarfed terrestrial aspirations and endeavors.
Dr. Lings once told me that the problem with the modern
Muslim is egocentricity, but that true Islam is Theo-centric: it
puts God, not oneself, at the center of life. I believe Dr. Lings
was a true Muslim, a man who put God at the center of his life
and purpose.
I feel immensely honored to have known him and to have
benefited from his knowledge through his books and his presence.
May Allah have mercy on his soul and sanctify his secret.

Postscript: I wrote this shortly after learning of Dr. Lings’
death. Returning to my home I had found a package marked
“urgent.” I asked my wife when it had arrived, and she
informed me that it came today. I opened it and found, to my
utter surprise, a pre-publication copy of Dr. Lings’ final book,
that I had not even known he had written, entitled, A Return
to the Spirit. On the inside of the cover-piece was this message:
“Dr. Lings requested you by name to write something for the
back of the book!”
sat down and read the short book without being able to put
it down, as it was an extended exposition on the very topics
we had discussed in our meetings. Upon finishing, I felt as if I
had received a wonderful personal letter from a man who was
the means by which I was guided and who I had come to love
for the sake of God. While I believe in some ways that event
was a karamah from God at the hands of the Sidi Abu Bakr
Siraj ad-Din. His real karamah was his impeccable character,
piety and uprightness of action in all aspects of his life. May
God shower him with His grace and mercy.
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I don't know about his other books... but his biography on the prophet has received substantial criticism for it's errors and unfair descriptions in some places. Many people have told me to read the Sealed Nectar instead. I've read Martin Ling's biography of the prophet and excluding the errors it seemed like a good read to me.
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I don't know about his other books... but his biography on the prophet has received substantial criticism for it's errors and unfair descriptions in some places. Many people have told me to read the Sealed Nectar instead. I've read Martin Ling's biography of the prophet and excluding the errors it seemed like a good read to me.
Yes, but to be fair, most of these people are just Salafis who are being biased. Every book has errors. Books by Shaykh al-Albani have many errors, but they don't say not to read his books altogether. And yes, the Sealed Nectar is an excellent book too, but as someone once told me (I think it was Wrong_Guy or maybe it was Abu Z) that a scholar said that no book can be replaced by another. What this means is that each book has something different to offer, i.e. a different perspective, different insights, different emphasis, etc. You don't have to choose between the two books; read both. Sure, you can start by reading Sealed Nectar first.

I'm not saying to read horrible books. I am just saying that we shouldn't abandon good books just because they contain some errors.
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I disagree with Jaysh. All books are evil. Burn them all (except for "I am America (and so can you!)" by Stephen Colbert).
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May Allah forgive Shaykh Dr Lings and grant him a high station in Paradise. Ameen.

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Sidi from an Indian. How pretentious!
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u guys know that one guy....sidi sadi.... (get it?)
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Sidi from an Indian. How pretentious!
Yeah, I'm ashamed of my Indian heritage. I consider the Arabs a superior race.

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I think Hamza Yusuf provided a very good perspective on perennialism ... also, it is interesting to note that the biggest scholars of this thought became muslims.
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