The Rights of the Aahl-e-Bayt

[sixpakistan]

beautiful thread. jazak Allah.

[LEGALEAGLE]

Chisti what did you say...

http://www.islamicaweb.com/forums/ne...tml#post238443

ARE YOU A MAN OF YOUR WORD ?

Dude you go on and on about your ancestors tell me can YOU keep your
word ?

You were quick enough to attack everyone with 'Wahhabi' this and 'Wahhabi' that...how about you keep your own vow ?

[Chisti]

Originally Posted by Jaysh

Wa alaykum as-salam, bro Chisti.

I am familiar with your position on the issue, which is also similar to the position of the Salafis as well as most scholars. I am merely interested in hearing minority opinions.

In regards to loving Ahl al-Bayt, I definitely believe in that. I am just questioning whether or not anyone today can be considered part of Ahl al-Bayt. Anyways, just ignore my post...it just musing, that is all. I have no firm beliefs on this issue, since I have not investigated it.

Fi Aman Allah

Regarding whether anyone can be considered part of Ahl al Bayt today ... I think that the Ahl-e-Sunnah wa Jamah clearly think that they can be considered part of it because the scholars forbid giving zakat to the descedants of Ali, Aqil, Jafar, Abbas, and Harith (excluding descendants of Abu Jahl)

One of the many proofs for that are the following hadith:
"it is reported that Hadrat Hasan r.a once took a date from the dates of sadaqa and placed it in his mouth. At this Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wasallam said: "Kakh!Kakh! Throw it out! Dont you know that we do not eat charity?"

In Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith Nos.1420 and 2907 and in Sahih Muslim Hadith No. 1069


"In a hadith recorded in Sahih Muslim it is stated: "This charity is the dirt of the (property) of people and is not permissible for Muhammad (sallallahu `alayhi wasallam) and his family."

The above hadith mentions that zakah is forbidden on Prophet saw family now if the descendants were NOT considered to be his family then why would they be forbidden zakat? Heck it would have made life easier for the poor ones!

This is the view of the vast majority of scholars of the four schools of fiqh as far as I know.


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For the ignorant fools that God made to test us all
"Dogs bark but the caravan moves on."

It is an imperative duty to spread the truth when morons are vehemently opposed to it. Thus, it becomes a duty upon every individual to participate.

[LEGALEAGLE]

Chisti here's some guidance on keeping your word.

“O you who believe! Fear God, and be with those who are true (in word and deeds).”
(Quran 9:119)

“Truthfulness leads to righteousness, and righteousness leads to Paradise. In addition, a man keeps on telling the truth until he becomes a truthful person. Falsehood leads to wickedness and evil-doing, and wickedness leads to the (Hell) Fire, and a man may keep on telling lies till he is written before God, as a liar”. (Saheeh Al-Bukhari)

“Honesty descended from the Heavens and settled in the roots of the hearts of men (faithful believers), and then the Quran was revealed and the people read the Quran, (and learnt it from it) and also learnt from the sayings and traditions. Both the Quran and the traditions strengthened their honesty. (Saheeh Al-Bukhari)

The Prophet (PBUH) said: If you guarantee me six things, I will guarantee paradise for you. Be honest if you talk. Fulfill your pledges and agreements. Return the goods people give to you for safe keeping. Guard your private parts. Lower your gaze. Don't harm people with your hands.

The Prophet (PBUH) said: The signs of the hypocrite are three: He lies in his speech, and if he promises he doesn't keep his promise, and if he is trusted with something he betrays.

The Prophet (PBUH) was once asked: O messenger of Allah, can the believer be a coward? The Prophet said: “Yes. They asked: O messenger of Allah, can the believer be a miser? The Prophet said: Yes. They asked: O messenger of Allah, can the believer be a liar? The Prophet said: No.

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by LEGALEAGLE

Chisti what did you say...

http://www.islamicaweb.com/forums/ne...tml#post238443

ARE YOU A MAN OF YOUR WORD ?

Dude you go on and on about your ancestors tell me can YOU keep your
word ?

You were quick enough to attack everyone with 'Wahhabi' this and 'Wahhabi' that...how about you keep your own vow ?

The post you linked refers to discussing issues he has and/or controversial threads. There's nothing controversial about this thread. Even if there was, maybe he changed his mind.

Stop making yourself look like a dimwitted spaz.

[LEGALEAGLE]

Originally Posted by Chisti

We are not respecting the girl you associate with, if anything we respect her lineage.

... go ask him what noble lineage means smart a#$

Either you are not reading the posts or you are reading it with your big a!@ ego ...

Chisti where is all your bluff and bluster ? You were eager enough to curse and rant and rave yet now I see you fleeing from your own promises

Dude your arrogance is quite something when you attack others, refer to yourself in the royal pronoun, and then Allah swt exposes your pathetic inability to keep your word.

What use are all your copy and paste jobs when you can't even be man enough to keep your word ?

[Jaysh]

I think you guys are over-reacting. The best way to resolve this debate is to do a mubahalah (prayer duel) and to invoke divine curses on the one who is lying.

[Chisti]

Verses of praise by Iqbal ...

Hold on fast to the teachings of Muhammed (SAW)
You are the son of Ali, from Bu Ali keep away.
(Iqbal)

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Sands of Iraq are waiting, Arabia's sowing-field is thirty,
To Kufa, Syria and Eygpt give again the blood of Hussain.
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Strangely plain and colourful is the story of Harem,
Its beginning is Ismail, Husain the end.
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The station of Shabbir is truth everlasting,
Ways of Kufa and Syria change from time to time.
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Love is the truthfulness of Khalil, fortitude of Husain is Love,
In the battle of life Badr and Hunain are love.
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The code of men of courage is truth and fearlessnes;
God's lions knew not the cunning of a fox.