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Re: The Rights of the Aahl-e-Bayt
Sayyida Nafisa Recites His Funeral Prayer
One time Imam ash-Shafi`i fell sick and as usual sent his messenger asking Sayyida Nafisa's du`a. She sent him the message, "Tell him that may Allah make his meeting with Him the Best of meetings and may Allah lift him to His proximity." When the messenger returned with this message, the imam understood that his death was imminent. Immediately Imam Shafi`i wrote his will, stating that Sayyida Nafisa should pray the funeral prayers (salat al-janaza) over him. He died at the end of Rajab, 204 H. Sayyida Nafisa also executed his will. Incapacitated due to her constant worship, they brought the imam's body from his house in al-Fistat district to her home. There she prayed the funeral prayer (salat al-janaza) over him from the women's section, following Imam al-Buwaiti who lead the prayer. Sayyida Nafisa's Majlis Not only did Imam ash-Shafi`i sit with her, learn hadith from her, request her du`a and seek her baraka, but so too did many other scholars and great Sufis (kaana hunaak katheera alulama'i wa kibaar as-sufiyya). Among them were al-Imam Uthman bin Sa`eed al-Misri, Dhun-Nun al-Masri, Masri al-Samarkandi, Imam Abu Bakr al-Adfawi, (author of one of the greatest explanations of Qur`an, al-Istiftah fi `ulum al-Qur`an), and Abul Hasan bin Ali bin Ibrahim who wrote ten volumes on Qur`anic grammar, and many others. Her asceticism Sayyida Nafisa was renowned for asceticism and for living a life of hardship (zuhd). When asked what her meals consisted of, Zainab, daughter of her brother, replied, "My auntie used to eat once every three days. She had a basket hanging in her niche. Whenever she wanted something small to eat she would find something in that basket, sent from Allah (swt). She never ate anything other than food from her husband and that which Allah sent her as a gift." One day the governor of Egypt sent Sayyida Nafisa 100,000 dirhams (equivalent to perhaps millions of dollars in today's money). He said, "Take this money from me. I ask nothing in return, but I thank Allah for this opportunity to repent. I give this money to you because of your piety." She took that money as her own and distributed it to the poor until nothing remained. Princes, nobles and many ordinary people sent her gifts. She accepted them, then distribute them in whatever way she liked. Historians report her niece Zainab saying, "I served my auntie Sayyida Nafisa for forty years. I never saw her sleeping at night and I never saw her eating during the day, except the days forbidden to fast - the two `Eids and the Days of Tashriq (11th - 13th of Dhul Hijja)." Zainab once said to Sayyida Nafisa, "You must take care of yourself." She replied, "How shall I take care of myself before I reach my Lord? Ahead of me are so many barriers which no one can cross except the successful ones (al-faizun)." The Servant Returned to The Master When she began to feel her death approaching, Sayyida Nafisa dug her grave with her own hands inside her home. Every day she would enter the grave and worship in it, as a reminder of the coming afterlife. She used to pray all her supererogatory prayers inside that grave. Al-Allama al-Ajhuri said, "She completed the Holy Qur`an while sitting in her grave six thousand times, and she granted the rewards of that recitation to all deceased Muslims." [This is in contradistinction to the Salafi ideology's rejection of gifting recitation of the Qur`an to the dead.] When Sayyida Nafisa’s illness worsened she wrote to her husband Ishaq al-Mu`taman, who was living in Madina al-Munawwara, asking him to return to Egypt. He came with their son Qassim and daughter Umm-Kulthum. She became very ill at the beginning of Ramadan, 208 H. Her companions asked her to stop fasting to keep her strength. She refused, saying, "I have been asking Allah to die fasting for thirty years; now you want me to break the fast?" Upon her passing, her husband prepared to move her body to Madinat al-Munawarra, to be buried in Jannat al-Baqi`, but the people of Egypt asked him not to do that, but to bury her in the grave she had dug with her own hands. The governor of Egypt along with many people asked Ishaq al-Mu`taman to bury Sayyida Nafisa in Egypt. They collected a large sum of money and offered it to him. Returning the next day, they asked for his decision. He replied, "I have decided to bury her here. I saw the Prophet (s) in a dream last night, and he told me, 'Give them back their money and bury your wife in Egypt.'" The night Sayyida Nafisa died was an immense tragedy for the people of Egypt, who were stunned at the news. Coming from every village in Egypt, people gathered at her house in Cairo, lighting candles and weeping. For them Sayyida Nafisa was a beacon of knowledge and a source of blessing, baraka, from the family of the Prophet (s). It was a day of sorrow and mourning throughout Egypt. The day they attempted to bury her, it was very difficult to move her body to her final resting place, due to the crowds of people lamenting, crying, and calling on Allah by His Names and Attributes. The like of that gathering was unprecedented in all of Egypt. From Her Miracles More than 150 miracles were recorded by historians as appearing from Sayyida Nafisa. Imam Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani wrote about them. The story is related that when Sayyida Nafisa arrived in Egypt and settled in her home, there was a non-Muslim family living beside her, whose daughter was paralyzed from the waist down. One day the girl’s mother brought her to Sayyida Nafisa to watch while she went shopping. She left her daughter in one corner of Sayyida Nafisa's house. Sayyida Nafisa began making ablution and water from her ablution flowed towards the girl. As the water touched the body of the girl, she experienced something strange. She began to take the water from Sayyida Nafisa’s ablution and rub it on her paralyzed feet and legs. Suddenly by Allah's (swt) Mercy, the paralysis disappeared completely and she was able to stand. Meanwhile Sayyida Nafisa was busy in prayer. The girl stood up and seeing her mother just returning from the market, ran to meet her to tell her what had happened. Her mother cried with joy declaring, "That woman is truly holy and her religion is the truth." She came in, hugged Sayyida Nafisa, thanked her for healing her daughter and asked her to pray that she be guided from darkness to light. Sayyida Nafisa then taught her to recite the shahada. When the father of the girl returned home that evening, whose name was Ayyub Abu Surraya, and saw his daughter cured, he was overjoyed. He asked his wife about what happened and she told him the whole story. He raised his head heavenwards saying, "O Allah! You guide whom You like and I now know that Islam is the true religion, completing what we believe in." He went to the home of Sayyida Nafisa. Speaking to her from behind a veil he said, "I believe in your religion, and I accept it. I testify that there is none to worship except Allah and that your grandfather Muhammad is the Prophet of Allah." That miracle was the cause for the entire tribe of Sayyida Nafisa's neighbors to enter Islam. 
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10-19-2008, 02:09 PM
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A Prisoner Set Free
One of Sayyida Nafisa's miracles relates to a Muslim man married to a Christian woman. They had a son. When he grew up he began to travel. While traveling in a country far from home he was captured and held prisoner. After hearing of his capture, his mother used to frequent the church, praying that her son be released and returned to them. Years passed but he was not released. One day she told her husband, "I heard that there is a saintly woman Nafisa bint al-Hasan al-Anwar whose prayers are always answered. Since you are Muslim go and ask her to pray for the return of our son." He went and asked Sayyida Nafisa for her du`a. Late that night they heard a knock at the door. Waking and wondering who it could be they went and opened the door. To their astonishment they found their son standing there. They asked him, "How did you come here?" He said, "Tonight I was sitting there in prison, in chains. Suddenly I felt a spiritual presence, and I heard a voice saying, 'Free him! Nafisa bint al-Hasan interceded for him.' Suddenly I found myself standing here at the door of our house." That day his mother went to visit Sayyida Nafisa, thanking her for saving her son, then accepting Islam at her hand.
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10-19-2008, 02:09 PM
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The Nile fails to flood
In the year 201 H. (816 CE) the Nile failed to flood, as is its normal annual custom. People went to Sayyida Nafisa asking her to pray that Allah cause the Nile to flood, for without the usual flood no crops would grow. Sayyida Nafisa gave them her faceveil telling them, “throw that in the Nile and by Allah's grace it will flood.” They took her burqa and threw it in the Nile. Immediately the river began to rise and overflow its banks. [One should note here this is a miracle extremely similar to the incident of the shirt of Sayiddina Yusuf (as), which when cast on the face of his father Ya`qub (as), was the cause for his sight to be restored by Allah's Will. Again, such incidents clarify the true meaning of tawassul and shafa`a (intercession) by means of objects related to pure, pious individuals.] Stolen wool Al-Imam al-Munawi mentions a story of Sayyida Nafisa, related to him from al-Azhari in his book al-Kawakib as-sayyaara: There was an old lady who had four daughters. This woman used to spin wool into yarn, then take the yarn and sell it. With half the earnings she would buy more wool spending the rest on their food and drink for the week. One day the old lady set out for the market, with the spun wool wrapped in a red package. Without warning an eagle dove out of the sky, grabbed the package in its claws and flew off. The old lady, overcome with fear and worry, fainted. When she awoke she began crying. People around her, hearing her story told her about Sayyida Nafisa. She went to Sayyida Nafisa and related this strange incident. Sayyida Nafisa said, "O Allah! Exalted in Power and Owner of this creation: put right what the affairs of Your servant this lady fulana. She is Your servant and her children are Your servants and You are powerful over all things." She told the old lady to return to her home and wait. The old lady went home crying with worry for the sake of her young children. Night found her still crying. Suddenly a commotion was heard outside. It was a group of people seeking Sayyida Nafisa. They told her, “Something very strange just happened to us. We came to you because we have been ordered to do so." She said, "What happened?" They related, "We were on a ship traveling at sea. As we began approaching land one of the planks suddenly sprung loose and the boat began to flood. Some of us did not know how to swim and we were in deep water still five hours from shore. The boat began to fill up and sink. All of a sudden an eagle appeared holding a red package in its claws. It threw that package, which was full of spun wool, into that crack filling it. The water stopped flooding and we managed to reach shore safely. We heard a voice saying, 'Go to Sayyida Nafisa.' The boat crew presented Sayyida Nafisa a gift of 500 dinars. Sayyida Nafisa began to cry, "O Allah you are so merciful to Your servants." She asked the old lady, "How much did you usually get for your wool each week?" The lady replied, "I used to get 20 dinars." Sayyida Nafisa gave her the 500 dinars and she went home overjoyed. She told her neighbors what happened and they came in droves to see Sayyida Nafisa. Many ended up giving themselves over to her service, helping her cook food for the poor, distribute alms and aid the sick and lame. Miracles after her death The miracles after Sayyida Nafisa’s death are too numerous to mention. Once thieves entered her mosque in 683 H. and stole sixteen silver lamps. As the thieves tried to escape they discovered there was no longer a door. They were trapped inside until morning, when the caretaker arrived, opened the door and found the thieves with the lamps. Recently in 1940, fifty years ago, a similar occurrence took place. A person, well-known in the area, entered the Mosque of Sayyida Nafisa and hid himself. When everyone had left that person stole a beautiful Kashmiri shawl, a gift from the King of Kashmir to Sayyida Zainab. When he tried to escape he could not find the door. He was kept prisoner until morning, when the people found him and took him to the police. It is related in history that Abul `Izz al-Yamani said, "I was very well-known in my community, rich in my family, owning many farms. I was proud of myself and arrogant. Then I came down with a sickness that caused me to lose my sight and I fell into great difficulties. I spent most of my wealth seeking a cure, but alas doctors were unable to help me. They told me I would be blind for the rest of my life. Finally I sought out Sayyida Nafisa's help. While waiting to see her I fell asleep. I saw a dream in which Sayyida Nafisa visited me and put something in my eyes. When I awoke my sight had been fully restored." The Story of Affan bin Sulayman Historians relate the story of an Egyptian named Affan bin Sulayman al-Masri. He bought a house and one day discovered a treasure buried under it. He began to spend his newfound wealth on the poor and the unfortunate. One day he bought 1000 camel-loads of wheat from Prince Ahmad bin Keeghalgh. After some time the prices soared due to scarcity of wheat, shooting up to thrice its normal value. Prince Ahmad called Affan to his palace. The prince told him, “Either return the 1000 camel-loads or pay me for the wheat at today's price.” Affan bin Sulayman refused, leaving angry. He went and distributed all the wheat to the poor and needy, leaving only a small portion for himself and his family. Prince Ahmad went to the governor of Egypt Taqeen bin Abdullah al-Harbi, an arrogant and ruthless ruler. He ordered that all of Affan bin Sulayman's wealth and holdings be impounded. Affan bin Sulayman decided to leave Egypt, running from the oppression of the governor Taqeen. He told his story to a descendant of the Prophet (s), Ash-Sharif `Ali bin Abdullah a very pious man. He took him to the grave of Sayyida Nafisa and both of them sat facing the grave reciting verses of Qur`an, asking Allah to send the rewards of the recitation to Sayyida Nafisa and asking Allah (swt) in her presence and for her sake and the sake of her grandfather the Prophet (s) to solve the problem of Affan bin Sulayman. Suddenly they both fell asleep. They both saw Sayyida Nafisa in the dream telling him, "Go together with Affan bin Sulayman to the governor of Egypt Taqeen. I solved his problem." Together they left and visited the governor, who to their surprise hosted them in grand style. The governor said, "Sayyida Nafisa appeared to me in a dream saying, 'Be generous and host As-Sayyid Ali very well and return all Affan’s money to him; he asked for our intercession.'” Taqeen, raising his hands said, “O Allah forgive me for what I did.” Turning to Affan b. Sulayman he said, "I am releasing all your money." The governor Taqeen ordered Affan’s money returned to him and ordered that his own treasuries be opened and spent on the poor. He used to say, "All Egyptians are afraid of me, but I am afraid of Affan bin Sulyman and his du`a at the grave of Sayyida Nafisa." With that du`a, the governor of Egypt corrected his wrong and unjust ways and lived as a righteous governor for the rest of his life. He wrote in his will that he should be buried in Bayt al-Maqdis, Jerusalem. When he died, that took place according to his orders. Her Maqam The first one to build a masjid by the grave of Sayyida Nafisa was the governor of Egypt, Ubaydullah bin Sirri bin al-Hakam. Then it was renovated by Badr al-Jamali, the commander in chief of the army of Egypt, in the year 482 H. It was renovated again by Muhammad bin al-Qalawun in 740H. Then Prince Abdur Rahman Katakhada renovated it further in the year 773 H. Finally the Ministry of Religious Endowments renoveated it in 1314 H. to the structure it has today. The copper room which is entirely hand-carved over her grave was made in 1266 H. The door which is now there is ornately engraved, and was placed there by Ali Pasha, governor of Egypt in 1170. Water was piped in for people to drink. Above the water-dispensing room is a room for memorizing Qur`an. All Abbasid caliphs were buried on the eastern side of the grave in the time of al-Zahir Baybars. From her death and until today, around the year and around the clock you will find people visiting Sayyida Nafisa's grave: from the highest Islamic scholars to common people. Over her grave her lineage to the Prophet (s) is engraved. Under that is written "Anyone experiencing difficulties in his life should visit the grave of Sayyida Nafisa, recite surat al-Fatiha (Qur`an, 1), surat al-`Ala (87), surat al-Ikhlas (112) and al-muwadhitayn (113, 114), gift that recitation to her and make du`a for Allah to solve that problem." The method of greeting Sayyida Nafisa us also described, “In a low voice say, ‘Peace be upon you, as-salaamu `alayki, O Sayyidina Nafisa, daughter of Hasan al-Anwar, son of as-Sayyid Zayd al-Ablaj, son of As-Sayyid Hasan, son of Sayyida Ali, and of Sayyida Fatima, daughter of the Prophet (s)."
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10-19-2008, 02:53 PM
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What makes the 'Banu Hashim' more noble than anyone else ? Charity ? Millions of other people's engaged in charitable works. Were they any more honourable than the other nations ? I see no evidence of that whatsoever. In what way were the Banu Hashim more noble than the ancestors of Hadrat Salman Al-Farsi ? If there is no evidence of that then the poem makes no sense whatsoever and seems designed merely to claim that the Arabs possessed something which made them superior to the Persians. Which is racist balderdash. Quote:
??? Ownership isn't necessarily the same as acquiring by halal/virtuous means. Something can belong to someone without them having earned it by virtuous means eg if their father had been engaged in making money by usury then it would be their inheritance but their father would not have been virtuous. Quote:
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The Prophet pbuh prayed for his uncle and he will still be in hell so that kind of goes against your claims. Now I'm still waiting to hear the name of the tariqah to which you belong.
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10-19-2008, 04:45 PM
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First of all no one is claiming that being of a noble father will lead you to heaven. I think everyone from the Ummah agrees on that. You will reap what you sow.
If that were the case then who are you to claim an excuse of being from Adam? ... I say the first person to claim excuse would have been Fatima r.a. and her two sons. Secondly, your pointless rhetoric "Scholars aren't my God." is just disrespectful. I am sure no one believes that scholars are any ones God ... instead everyone believes that the inheritors of the Prophet are the pious scholars/ulema which is mentioned in an authentic hadith .... if it weren't for such scholars you and your daddy (including all of ours) would not have been following Islam. So when the vast majority of scholars agree on something then it obviously means that it is the Truth, since in another hadith the Prophet saw said that the large majority of his knowledgeable ummah will never agree on falsehood. So your ignorant views and interpretation of the Quran are for you and will die with you. Whereas that of the great scholars will live as it has for over a thousand years. The idea of nobility is common everywhere. When a group of people are all pious and charitable in our society, we say what a noble family. Whereas when a group of people all indulge in haram we don't have the same opinion of them. However! if one person from that family were to turn to God and strive in his path we all will without any doubt give him the due respect regardless of his family and their activities. That is why that poetry means. And I am sure everyone agrees with this notion. And finally this is what makes Banu Hashim honorable - the fact that the sons of Banu Hashim who are Jaffar at tayyar, Ali, Abbas, and their sons CANNOT accept zakat! Because Almighty Himself has forbidden charity for them regardless of who and what they are. Now try coming up with another ignorant interpretation of it. Also, what makes the Banu Hashim noble and honorable is the fact that the Quran asked us to respect and love them. "I ask for no reward from you save love for kinsfolk" Who are his kinsfolk ??? his family ... who are his family? they are all Hashmites ... as for those of the Banu Hashim before like Abu Jahl - we all agree that being from this group of noble people did not help him. So I don't know how this is racist ... we respect and love certain group of people because Allah and His Messenger saw asked us to. However, I must point out that this specific family has been made noble by Allah due to the prayers of Prophet Ibrahim: "Our Lord! And raise up in their midst a messenger from among them who shall recite unto them Thy revelations, and shall instruct them in the Scripture and in wisdom and shall purify them. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Mighty, Wise." [2: 125] This prayer was answered in the shape of our Prophet saw. And everyday 5 times a day every Muslims sends blessings on the House of Ibrahim a.s. and the House of Prophet saw ... that is what makes them more Noble and more loved by us over all other "Houses" "O God! Send blessings upon Muhammad and upon the House of Muhammad as You sent blessings upon Abraham and upon the House of Abraham; indeed, You are praiseworthy and glorious. O God! Bless Muhammad and the House of Muhammad as You blessed Abraham and the House of Abraham; indeed, You are praiseworthy and glorious"
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10-19-2008, 04:48 PM
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One more evidence on the love we all should have for the descendants of Banu Hashim:
"Abd Allah said, Whilst we were with the Prophet, some young men from Banu Hashim approached us. When the Prophet saw them, his eyes filled with tears and the colour of his face changed. I said, We can see something has changed in your face, and it upsets us. The Prophet said, We are the people of a Household for whom Allah has chosen the Hereafter rather than this world. The people of my Household (Ahl al-Bayt) will suffer a great deal after my death, and will be persecuted until a people carrying black banners will come out of the east. They will instruct the people to do good, but the people will refuse; they will fight until they are victorious, and the people do as they asked, but they will not accept it from them until they hand over power to a man from my household. Then the earth will be filled with fairness, just as it had been filled with injustice. If any of you live to see this, you should go to him even if you have to crawl across ice. From Ibn Kathir's The Signs Before the Day of Judgment
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10-19-2008, 04:49 PM
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And yet another one:
"Someone praised the Banu Hashim in front of the Prophet, whereby he interlaced the fingers of his two hands and said: "We and they are but one and the same thing." Biography of Imam Shafi'i
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10-19-2008, 05:57 PM
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If that is your claim then you have followed the same route as the Rabbi's who also claim special status because of their ancestry Tell me what is the hierarchy of these 'nobles'. Are the Banu Hashim more noble than the descendants of Harun or Moses ? What if the person is Quraysh ? Please provide us all with so that we can give these people the appropriate respect they deserve because of their ancestors  Indeed we should do away with all races and peoples being equal in Islam because self-evidently according to you some races were *born* to rule. Quote:
 There's an interesting hadith about the conquest of Constantinople by the descendants of Hadrat Isaac pbuh which has been interpreted by some of your scholars using verbal gymnastics to mean the descendants of Ishmael pbuh Quote:
Once again why is Abu Lahab regarded as being of 'noble' family and not Hadrat Salman Al Farsi ra ? Is it because he is Persian and not Arab ? I obviously don't agree with your interpretation so your use of the word 'everyone' is incorrect. Quote:
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On the subject of nobility it's curious that you should mention Abu Jahl because I was talking to a Moroccan girl a few days ago who is descended from the Prophet pbuh. Her words if I may paraphrase were that 'I don't use the term sayyid because I don't believe that anyone should be regarded as better by reason of descent' and 'A friend said that if she could go back in time she would marry Abu Jahl rather than any of the Arab men in Morocco because they have no honour'. Now that's the words of someone who is of the family and she rejects your claim of 'noble' status for the men of her community. Quote:
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Abu Jahl and his ancestors buried their daughters alive so they wouldn't have to feed them whilst Hadrat Salman al Farsi's garlanded theirs with gold and flowers and lets not even discuss marrying their mothers... If you think that's a sign of 'nobility' well more power to you.. To quote an old English ditty When Adam weaved and Eve span Who was then the Gentleman ?
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10-19-2008, 10:44 PM
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The more you post the more it shows how ignorant you are. You did not provide one piece of reliable knowledge backed by any scholar whatsoever. Instead, when I mention scholars and your disrespect for them you say have something stupid to say which only you find funny.
"Are you able to predict the future ? Maybe you have some 'noble' ancestry too..." and then you mention something vague about Constantinople?!! you really need to learn how to concentrate ... if there is something disturbing you about it, create a thread to discuss it. Also, I don't even know what you are really bickering about? The poem is saying what I am sure you agree at the end ... that only deeds make you or break you. Pathans are given certain characteristics that they especially love to live by ... coz that's what makes em pathan. Similarly families and groups of people repeat such examples and become famous or notorious. You then mention pathans respecting the Abdali people and then kicking them when they acted bad. Well that shows that even pathans respected a people for what they did. That is my point. We are not respecting the girl you associate with, if anything we respect her lineage. Even Imam Nawai mentions that there is a concept of "noble lineage" ... Imam Nawawi explained in his commentary on Sahih Muslim,"This means that whoever's actions are deficient will not attain unto the ranks of those of good works. Therefore, one should not merely rely on noble lineage and the virtuous forefathers while having shortcomings in one's works." ... go ask him what noble lineage means smart a#$ Either you are not reading the posts or you are reading it with your big a!@ ego ... And where has it been agreed upon that idiots like the ones you associate with - descendants of the Prophet and want to marry Abu Jahl or Lahab or whoever you mentioned are given any special status in the eyes of God when they are morally not upright? We can only try to guide them. There are descendants who are atheists and there are those without whom we would not have Islam. It is a question of God favoring and blessing a particular House with Prophecy, Knowledge, and Wisdom. Read the hadeeths Rida posted. So go come up with some other random anecdote of yours to prove a point. Instead go find a scholar who will tell us that respecting the ahl-e-bayt is not important or it is wrong? Name me one. All you want to do is argue. Unless you back up what you have to say with evidence and quotes from scholars you are doing nothing but being a jack and there is no point in engaging a fool - you deserve no response. Also, instead of saying a few good words in praise of the Ahl-e-Bayt you turn things ugly in this thread. Instead of wasting time with you I will stick with what this thread was all about - fulfilling the requirements of Love, praising the ahl-e-bayt ... something unfortunate miserables will never understand no matter how many mindless sajdas they do as stated in the hadith posted by Rida: Tibrani and Hakim have reported through Ibne Abbas that the Holy Prophet (Sall Allahu ‘alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallim.) said: “O sons of Abdul Muttalib. I pray to Allah that He maintains and establishes three things among you; that is your ignorant may acquire knowledge, your misguided ones receive guidance and may you be bestowed, generosity, helpfulness and mercy. One who prays and fasts all his life and dies between Rukn and Maqam, but harbours malice against the Ahle Bayt of Muhammad (Sall Allahu ‘alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallim.) will be made to enter (Hell) Fire.”
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10-20-2008, 10:52 AM
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Those who do that are totally confused and go to HELL like Ibn Abbas said. No one including wahahbis and any other group within the Sunnis can disclaim that the Quran and Hadiths that command us to respect them, NO! we are actually not only commanded to respect them BUT LOVE THEM. I don't really think Legal is even a wahahbi ... jaysh can give a perspective on the wahabi view on respecting the ahlul bayt.
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10-20-2008, 11:22 AM
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and no, legal is not a nasibi or a wahhabi, hes a sunni ...but hes critical of some sufi's and their overly exaggerated praises and glorification of their saints.
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10-20-2008, 11:27 AM
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I didn't say legal is a wahabi or nasibi ... instead I said " I don't think Legal is even wahabi" ... again what's your point? I think you should direct these to Rahat. AND quite honestly, I am not going to pay that individual any attention in this thread since he seems to be derailing us from the purpose of this thread and discuss what he is, i frankly don't care. If anyone including you have issues with Sufis etc, open a new thread and bash them there.
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10-20-2008, 02:42 PM
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