Can you not believe in religion and go to heaven?

[beshakim]

every religion says if you don’t believe, you are going to hell.if you don’t believe you won’t be successful.you are not so and so if you don’t believe.however,if a person just believe in something do that make what ever you believe in fact???????????
Belief:
1. "The mental act, condition, or habit of placing trust or confidence in a person or thing; faith."
2. "Mental acceptance or conviction in the truth or actuality of something."
3. "Something believed or accepted as true; especially a particular tenet of body of tenets, accepted by a group of persons."
(A.H.D.)
It seems to me that the trouble all starts in definition no.3. Group belief is systematically reinforcing, even against factual rebuttals.
Despite this, beliefs are often characterized as ’firm’, yet are still prone to failure under the erosive powers of critical rebuttal.
Beliefs can (or not) include stronger emotional attachments than opinions do; yet not as strong as…
Faith, which, by my understanding, is notably stronger than belief. Faith is an ’unshakable’ belief or matrix of interdependent beliefs that the thinker is unwilling to expose to examination, for fear that the beliefs might be exposed as mere opinions, or worse, conjectures, or worst, unfounded superstitions.
American Heritage defines ’faith’ as:
1. "A confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
2. "Belief that does not does not rest on logical proof or material evidence: faith in miracles."
3. "Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance."
4. "Belief and trust in God and in the doctrines expressed in the Scriptures or other sacred works…"
5. "A system of religious belief…"
Faith resists inspection, and often does so with belligerence. This manifests as…
Zealotry: faith in physical manifestation. This can be as benign as prayer, or worse: proselytizing, crusading and jihadism.
Lastly: Superstition, the feral beast of the belief-family:
1. "A belief that some action or circumstance not logically related to a course of events influences its outcome."
2. "Any belief, practice, or rite unreasoningly upheld by faith in magic, chance, or dogma."
3. "Fearful or abject dependence upon such beliefs."
Do conjectures, speculations, opinions, and faiths all qualify as ’beliefs’?
What about personal values, or political preferences?
Are ALL thoughts ’beliefs’?
Or does only a certain threshold of strength-of-conviction — with or without supporting evidence — qualify as a ’belief’?
Do all beliefs deserve equal weight? Or is this simply an embarrassed, false equivalency we award to the beliefs of others, out of our polite unwillingness to offend?

[thejellymill]

maybe i will consider reading that when it's got some spaces and less clutter. it looks so unattractive and congested like that but maybe that's just me

[SyedShoaib786]

not when u read the message from Allah with an open mind and thus refuse it due to your own choice.

[Chisti]

You said in your other thread that you believe in a creator ... why do you believe in the creator? and why believe in a heaven? What proof do you have? You were asking for proof for Jesus, well how about trying the basics? GOD!

[LuisZamora]

who is this guy?

[thejellymill]

LuisZamora said

who is this guy?

your alter?

[beshakim]

Chisti said

You said in your other thread that you believe in a creator ... why do you believe in the creator? and why believe in a heaven? What proof do you have? You were asking for proof for Jesus, well how about trying the basics? GOD!

i didn't say i believe in heaven. i believe in a next level of what it is not know to us.the poof of a creator is that every thing around me is create.so it must be a creator to create those things.

[SyedShoaib786]

thats good u came to that conclusion^...now its time to open the Quran and read the message from your creator

[beshakim]

LuisZamora said

who is this guy?

and what that have to do with religion.....religion is not deen!it is a word,a concept create by man.not the creator!

[Chisti]

beshakim said

i didn't say i believe in heaven. i believe in a next level of what it is not know to us.the poof of a creator is that every thing around me is create.so it must be a creator to create those things.

Everything around is created, thus there must be a Creator --- that is your argument in believing in a Creator.

Why do you think there is a 'next level of what it is not known to us"? Maybe the Creator created us and intends us to die out and there may be no next level. What proof do you have that there is a next level?

[beshakim]

SyedShoaib786 said

thats good u came to that conclusion^...now its time to open the Quran and read the message from your creator

i have a qur'an and i study hadiths and this is why i don't believe in religion now.religion is a tool to keep people program and their bases is to put fear into the people.fear of god is a high form of belief.if you don't have fear,you don't believe.that is the foundation of religion.and i don't believe!

[SyedShoaib786]

beshakim said

i have a qur'an and i study hadiths and this is why i don't believe in religion now.religion is a tool to keep people program and their bases is to put fear into the people.fear of god is a high form of belief.if you don't have fear,you don't believe.that is the foundation of religion.and i don't believe!

stop studying hadith and start studying the Quran...Read and ponder upon the words of Allah...foundation of our deen is imaan (belief in la illaha il Allah, Muhammadur Rasool Allah)...taqwaa (higher consciousness of Allah) only improves upon it...so then if u have imaan in the slightest, we should work on taqwaa, as those who truly have taqwaa and fear of Allah are the ones who are learned...

we should have khawf (Fear) of Allah's punishment, hope for Allah's reward, and we should keep busy in good deeds.

Sufyan at thawri (ra) (a scholar of hadith) mentioned the negatives of studying hadith without the proper guidelines and understandings that rules over them...hadith is not the Quran...he (ra) mentioned it can lead one to the fire (Allah save us from that)

yahdikum Allah

[TariqBinSleepin]

beshakim said

i have a qur'an and i study hadiths and this is why i don't believe in religion now.religion is a tool to keep people program and their bases is to put fear into the people.fear of god is a high form of belief.if you don't have fear,you don't believe.that is the foundation of religion.and i don't believe!

Oh, how wrong you are.... Seems like you've been taking one too many philosophy classes. Are you sure you study Ahadith? With whom? Have you read the Quran in its entirety? Have you studied it? You don't even HAVE to study it, just read it once and you'll understand that without doubt it is the direct words of God unchanged for 1400 years. That in of it self should be a proof. God's religion is there to help guide humanity, it actually frees us not constricts us. Were only in this world for what 60-70 years? Were only travelers.

Its not about fear, its about the mercy of Allah (swt). Allah (swt)'s mercy overpowers his wrath, so your logic doesn't make sense when you try to speak about Islam. Also, learn arabic and then read the Quran. The translation and the Arabic quran are like two totally different books! So much is lost in the translation. Even then, the translation still sends shivers up my spine. Its about faith, not fear. And btw: thats is ample proof(fact) all around you that screams there is a God, Allah (swt).

[beshakim]

Chisti said

Everything around is created, thus there must be a Creator --- that is your argument in believing in a Creator.

Why do you think there is a 'next level of what it is not known to us"? Maybe the Creator created us and intends us to die out and there may be no next level. What proof do you have that there is a next level?

my proof is that in life you have stages in it.from a seed transform into a tree.a sperm drop transform into a baby,transform into an adult.a catipillar into a butter fly.in the qur'an it speaks about transformations.the mind has many of levels.the conscious and unconscious cognitive thoughts.so my friend these examples we just really knew about.now just think out the thing we don't know about that exist.

[Chisti]

beshakim said

my proof is that in life you have stages in it.from a seed transform into a tree.a sperm drop transform into a baby,transform into an adult.a catipillar into a butter fly.in the qur'an it speaks about transformations.the mind has many of levels.the conscious and unconscious cognitive thoughts.so my friend these examples we just really knew about.now just think out the thing we don't know about that exist.

Did you actually quote the Quran? But i thought that you did not believe in the Quran, bible etc?

dude you are confused ... your argument isn't satisfying, just because we are young and then grow old and die means that there is something afterwards. The same reasoning could be used in regards to organized religion, prophets ... if there is a God then he must have tried to communicate with us? right? Well then the question is how did he communicate with us?