[ShotgunMessiah]

Originally Posted by AbdurRaheem

This is a true story. The man who stole the apple and the woman he married (the one who was 'deaf' 'dumb' and 'blind') were the parents of Imam Abu Hanifa (RA).

And I think you missed the point of the story...

I wasn't saying it's not true, I was saying it's stupid.

If some guy said "I stole an apple from your tree, bro, sorry." I'd be like "No problem, have a nice day. Take another on your way out if you want."

I wouldn't say "Marry my daughter, guy I've never seen before who could be a serial killer for all I know."

[zzze]

asalamu alaykum

I've heard a slightly different version of the story (prior to the man marrying the daughter he had to work on the land for 7 years, without pay). It's a true story and it emphasises the importance of not taking other's rights, holding oneself to account and not making a sin into something insignificant.


The second story shadha...i don't know what's that about. I do know that a kit kat is a chocolate bar though

[wheelworks]

Originally Posted by ShotgunMessiah

I wasn't saying it's not true, I was saying it's stupid.

If some guy said "I stole an apple from your tree, bro, sorry." I'd be like "No problem, have a nice day. Take another on your way out if you want."

I wouldn't say "Marry my daughter, guy I've never seen before who could be a serial killer for all I know."

Those were more Islamic days than ours so while nowadays we would scoff at them, they could probably tell which of the people were sincerely Religious.

I'm also willing to guess that there were more events to the story and only the gist of the story was told to get a point across.

[shadha]

Shotgun: I wasn't saying it's not true, I was saying it's stupid.
If some guy said "I stole an apple from your tree, bro, sorry." I'd be like "No problem, have a nice day. Take another on your way out if you want."
I wouldn't say "Marry my daughter, guy I've never seen before who could be a serial killer for all I know.

Exactly.


shadha-

[zzze]

assalamu alaykum

so perhaps the version i've heard makes more sense..the guy worked on his land for 7 years before being told he was not yet forgiven (i'm sure by that time a serial killer would have killed the man...and...an honest serial killer? )..and to marry the daughter.

[Jaysh]

Looking for story of Abu Hanifah's parents - IA Forums

[TariqBinSleepin]

Originally Posted by ShotgunMessiah

I wasn't saying it's not true, I was saying it's stupid.

If some guy said "I stole an apple from your tree, bro, sorry." I'd be like "No problem, have a nice day. Take another on your way out if you want."

I wouldn't say "Marry my daughter, guy I've never seen before who could be a serial killer for all I know."

No one cares what you would have done. If its a true story, its really a good one. You can't call it stupid because you don't like it. Clearly you missed the point of it. They lived in a different time then us.

[Glasgow]

Originally Posted by ShotgunMessiah

I wasn't saying it's not true, I was saying it's stupid.

Considering who the person was, and who his son became, I don't think you're in any position to pass judgement and neither is Shadha.

[Jaysh]

Originally Posted by Glasgow

Considering who the person was, and who his son became, I don't think you're in any position to pass judgement and neither is Shadha.

As-salam Alaykum.

Bismillah.

There is a general axiom in dawah which is that 'not everything that is known should be spread', lest the people disbelieve in Allah [swt] and His Messenger [s]. From this principle, we can deduce that we should only tell people things that are in their capability of hearing. As such, if we go beyond that, we should not be surprised when they begin to disbelieve.

I think instead of making it a point to drill it into them, it would just be better to move on. We should be soft and understanding on the people. They don't mean to mock the religion; rather, it is based on their understanding (right or wrong) that it is not a part of the religion to begin with. This is, after all, better than them rejecting something that they know to be a part of the religion, is it not?

In any case, there is no point in making an issue out of it, and it will just create dissension in the hearts.

Fi Aman Allah.

[TariqBinSleepin]

Originally Posted by Jaysh

As-salam Alaykum.

Bismillah.

There is a general axiom in dawah which is that 'not everything that is known should be spread', lest the people disbelieve in Allah [swt] and His Messenger [s]. From this principle, we can deduce that we should only tell people things that are in their capability of hearing. As such, if we go beyond that, we should not be surprised when they begin to disbelieve.

I think instead of making it a point to drill it into them, it would just be better to move on. We should be soft and understanding on the people. They don't mean to mock the religion; rather, it is based on their understanding (right or wrong) that it is not a part of the religion to begin with. This is, after all, better than them rejecting something that they know to be a part of the religion, is it not?

In any case, there is no point in making an issue out of it, and it will just create dissension in the hearts.

Fi Aman Allah.

Yes, but this may lead to rejecting many of the other stories in Islam. Many stories which we only know through Ahadith. Wouldn't then people reject the ahadith because they think it sounds "stupid"? Many stories of the past we can't directly relate to. But there are important morals in them.

Khair, if we go with your advice, which I agree with. Then this thread should be closed right? I don't think I have ever seen a thread on Islamica getting closed.

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by TariqBinSleepin

Yes, but this may lead to rejecting many of the other stories in Islam. Many stories which we only know through Ahadith. Wouldn't then people reject the ahadith because they think it sounds "stupid"? Many stories of the past we can't directly relate to. But there are important morals in them.

Khair, if we go with your advice, which I agree with. Then this thread should be closed right? I don't think I have ever seen a thread on Islamica getting closed.

The hadith aren't comparable to possibly apocryphal stories. Even by the standards of modern historians, consensus hadith are some of the most rigorously and carefully authenticated pieces of history in existence today and an integral part of our deen..

[TariqBinSleepin]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

The hadith aren't comparable to possibly apocryphal stories. Even by the standards of modern historians, consensus hadith are some of the most rigorously and carefully authenticated pieces of history in existence today and an integral part of our deen..

Yes, what I mean to say is if we can accept stories in ahadith which may sound frivolous and "silly" why are we so quick to reject these? Its not as if they have just been made up recently. I've heard many sheikhs and students of knowledge use these stories. in my opinion It all boils down to faith. I believe because its true. But do you really believe? Or deep down do you think it still sounds "stupid". I mean I understand these still stories, but they aren't contradicting anything, so why are people so quick to call them absurd?

[Jaysh]

Originally Posted by TariqBinSleepin

Yes, but this may lead to rejecting many of the other stories in Islam. Many stories which we only know through Ahadith. Wouldn't then people reject the ahadith because they think it sounds "stupid"? Many stories of the past we can't directly relate to. But there are important morals in them.

Khair, if we go with your advice, which I agree with. Then this thread should be closed right? I don't think I have ever seen a thread on Islamica getting closed.

As-Salam Alaykum.

Bismillah.

Choose your battles wisely. That is all I am saying.

Fi Aman Allah.

[ShotgunMessiah]

Originally Posted by Jaysh

As-Salam Alaykum.

Bismillah.

Choose your battles wisely. That is all I am saying.

Fi Aman Allah.

Hey, my mom always told me that growing up

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by TariqBinSleepin

Yes, what I mean to say is if we can accept stories in ahadith which may sound frivolous and "silly" why are we so quick to reject these? I