[ChotooMotoo]

someone should have pulled out the old "intermingling of sexes" argument.

"Excuse me brother, what is the pressing need which requires you to speak with me? Making a video cannot count because, as you should be aware, there are scholars who strongly discourage film making, especially involving women. I'm afraid I cannot interview with you. Good day"

[TrentReznor858]

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

someone should have pulled out the old "intermingling of sexes" argument.

"Excuse me brother, what is the pressing need which requires you to speak with me? Making a video cannot count because, as you should be aware, there are scholars who strongly discourage film making, especially involving women. I'm afraid I cannot interview with you. Good day"

gotta spread rep. Makes me think these guys are more interested in Rishtas than making some sort of point.

[IbnMardhiyah]

Originally Posted by TrentReznor858

Agreed, a good fist in the face would have taught him to show respect. I cant believe people think its ok to openly mock other peoples beliefs, even people from their own religion!

Getting physical would have done nothing.

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

Getting physical would have done nothing.

Neither my mother nor my sister wear hijab. The first thing I thought when I saw that video was that if some guy talked to them that way, they'd catch a beatdown.

[TrentReznor858]

Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

Getting physical would have done nothing.

Maybe so, but it would still be enjoyable to do

[IbnMardhiyah]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

Neither my mother nor my sister wear hijab. The first thing I thought when I saw that video was that if some guy talked to them that way, they'd catch a beatdown.

Why wouldn't you give them two or three verbal warnings first, telling them to back off?

[TrentReznor858]

Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

Why wouldn't you give them two or three verbal warnings first, telling them to back off?

Because then they would go where you arent and continue? A good knuckle sandwich might convince them to drop the idea altogether.

[IbnMardhiyah]

Originally Posted by TrentReznor858

Because then they would go where you arent and continue? A good knuckle sandwich might convince them to drop the idea altogether.

???

How would they continue to do such with your women? [as sixpak mentioned ... his mom and his sister]

[TrentReznor858]

Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

???

How would they continue to do such with your women? [as sixpak mentioned ... his mom and his sister]

It isnt about my women or his women or your women its about respect and learning your place in life. Muslims shouldnt go around embarrassing each other and making mockery of each other, under the guise of "dawah" for their 15 minutes of fame and possibly a rishta. If they get the beating they so obviously deserve, they might change their tune. Follow?

[ssalmanj]

Not only was his approach awful, but the graphics were also unbearably hideous! Both videos were epic fail.

[IbnMardhiyah]

Originally Posted by TrentReznor858

If they get the beating they so obviously deserve, they might change their tune. Follow?

No ... sorry. I don't follow.

Have you actually ever interacted with such types before, close-up, on a face-to-face level? Go back and look at the video again, and under the username at the top right, look at their message to the "haters". These kinds of Muslim guys are a bit dense - if you immediately resort to physical threat, they just think what they're doing is right, and physical aggression only gives them a perverse validation of their beliefs and world-view.

The proper and effective rebuttal would be one of of a verbal and intellectual exchange using the Prophet's own advice that dismantles their narrow view of the world. There are plenty of examples from the Sunnah where nabeyuna Muhammad [saws] advised the Sahabaa and emissaries to make the Deen easy on people, and not hard or difficult. The Prophet also got angry when he heard that people were becoming annoyed at the difficult behavior of others; for example he became angry at the Sahabi who, while leading the jam'aah in prayer, made it so unbearably long that one person even broke away from the congregation and completed his prayer on his own.

Giving dawah is also about understanding your target audience, their nuances, their traits, what catches their interest or what turns them off, etc. Not knowing those details is like trying to do surgery after having just walked in off the street.

In short, you tell such people that they shouldn't give dawah in such a manner that it annoys or even outright alienates others, because the net effect is they're turning people away from Islam.

And last but not least ... I'd rather impale my own fist against a wall of spikes rather than beat up a Muslim brother. What he was doing was awkward and nearly detestable, but you don't go around beating up people or even threatening such. IN that case you're pretty much guilty of the same thing you're accusing him of doing.

Ironic.

[TrentReznor858]

Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

No ... sorry. I don't follow.

Have you actually ever interacted with such types before, close-up, on a face-to-face level? Go back and look at the video again, and under the username at the top right, look at their message to the "haters". These kinds of Muslim guys are a bit dense - if you immediately resort to physical threat, they just think what they're doing is right, and physical aggression only gives them a perverse validation of their beliefs and world-view.

The proper and effective rebuttal would be one of of a verbal and intellectual exchange using the Prophet's own advice that dismantles their narrow view of the world. There are plenty of examples from the Sunnah where nabeyuna Muhammad [saws] advised the Sahabaa and emissaries to make the Deen easy on people, and not hard or difficult. The Prophet also got angry when he heard that people were becoming annoyed at the difficult behavior of others; for example he became angry at the Sahabi who, while leading the jam'aah in prayer, made it so unbearably long that one person even broke away from the congregation and completed his prayer on his own.

Giving dawah is also about understanding your target audience, their nuances, their traits, what catches their interest or what turns them off, etc. Not knowing those details is like trying to do surgery after having just walked in off the street.

In short, you tell such people that they shouldn't give dawah in such a manner that it annoys or even outright alienates others, because the net effect is they're turning people away from Islam.

And last but not least ... I'd rather impale my own fist against a wall of spikes rather than beat up a Muslim brother. What he was doing was awkward and nearly detestable, but you don't go around beating up people or even threatening such. IN that case you're pretty much guilty of the same thing you're accusing him of doing.

Ironic.

If you just throw a wall of words at them, it will go in one ear and out the other. Some people cannot be reasoned with. While turning the other cheek is all good and proper in theory, lets face the fact that it doesnt really translate in real life.

[Salika]

Originally Posted by TrentReznor858

If you just throw a wall of words at them, it will go in one ear and out the other. Some people cannot be reasoned with. While turning the other cheek is all good and proper in theory, lets face the fact that it doesnt really translate in real life.

I'm sure if you beat them up they'll really get the message.

And onlookers will be like "wow, Muslims ARE peaceful!"

[IbnMardhiyah]

Originally Posted by TrentReznor858

If you just throw a wall of words at them, it will go in one ear and out the other. Some people cannot be reasoned with. While turning the other cheek is all good and proper in theory, lets face the fact that it doesnt really translate in real life.

I didn't say to "throw a wall of words" at them, did I?

I was talking about having a meaningful exchange. You control the parameters of debate according to what they see as relevant, and sell your idea to them using clear and unequivocal articulation that lays it all out plain and simple, all whilst keeping the actions and model of Prophet Muhammad [saws] as your base which you refer back to for arbitration in case they disagree with you.