Shariah and the Protection of Lineage

[TrentReznor858]

I think its very amusing that sixpak thinks he can speak for all heterosexual males.

[spicyhijabi]

sixpakistan said

Are you guys seriously asking why males want their lineage/lineal identity to continue?

My mind is blown.

Awe, c'mon you know your mind was blown already

[sixpakistan]

psychoteddybear said

unless it is open to other people to become a part of besides those from your family/extended family and heritage...i really don't care and don't understand why this is so important to people. sorry. it's trivial in the end when you consider the bigger picture.

wa salam

You really have no idea? Like, you can't even speculate? Completely bizarre to you?

Why is it trivial in light of the bigger picture? What's the bigger picture?

3:14
Fair in the eyes of men is the love of things they covet: Women and sons; Heaped-up hoards of gold and silver; horses branded (for blood and excellence); and (wealth of) cattle and well-tilled land. Such are the possessions of this world's life; but in nearness to Allah is the best of the goals (To return to).

Why are sons fair in the eyes of men? Do you have any trouble understanding why men might covet any of the other things mentioned in that ayat?

The protection of lineage was important to the Prophet (SAW) to the extent that when he felt insulted and hurt that a man referred to him as "the one who is cut off," a specific surah was revealed in the Qur'an to comfort him. Do you think he just didn't get the bigger picture?

[spicyhijabi]

This is my serious post in this thread.

Your last name (and in some cultures your first name) is apart of your identity.
Whether you're from a matriarchal or patriarchal society it tells who you are and where you come from.
What on earth is the point of creating a new name for your family that has absolutely no meaning?

[psychoteddybear]

it's great to feel pride for where you're from and what your family is about, but it's not one of the most important things in the world or in this life to focus on. however, i understand why you would feel so strongly about it. anything but extreme nationalism is fine... as far as religion goes, as long as you know you're having children and can give your name to them, what else is necessary? but "maintaining" it ranges from person to person. as i said earlier, i don't agree with cultures that goes out of their way to maintain integral family ties...even if it means interbreeding. we need more diversity in the world, living in a circle without seeing what else is in the world only breeds hate and narcissism. then from that stem these ridiculous tribal clans, rules, and the abuse of those who are not a part of your circle which then leads to hate and violence.

but that's just me.

wa salam

[sixpakistan]

TrentReznor858 said

I think its very amusing that sixpak thinks he can speak for all heterosexual males.

That is a non-sequitur given what we're discussing. It's like if I said, "all heterosexual males like women," and you replied with "HAY U CANT SPEAK FOR ALL HETEROSEXUAL MALES!!!el1wun"

[LEGALEAGLE]

psychoteddybear said

it's great to feel pride for where you're from and what your family is about, but it's not one of the most important things in the world or in this life to focus on. however, i understand why you would feel so strongly about it. anything but extreme nationalism is fine... as far as religion goes, as long as you know you're having children and can give your name to them, what else is necessary? but "maintaining" it ranges from person to person. as i said earlier, i don't agree with cultures that goes out of their way to maintain integral family ties...even if it means interbreeding. we need more diversity in the world, living in a circle without seeing what else is in the world only breeds hate and narcissism. then from that stem these ridiculous tribal clans, rules, and the abuse of those who are not a part of your circle which then leads to hate and violence.

but that's just me.

wa salam

lack of tribal ties gives rise to serial killers....

[Jaysh]

sixpakistan said

All heterosexual males.

Not really bro.

[sixpakistan]

Jaysh said

Not really bro.

I wonder what shadha's perspective on this is?

heh heh

[Jaysh]

sixpakistan said

I wonder what shadha's perspective on this is?

heh heh

lol

She should sometimes randomly agree with me just to destroy my argument.

[psychoteddybear]

LEGALEAGLE said

lack of tribal ties gives rise to serial killers....

whatever dude, i believe you can understand my point.

people should chill on focusing on the nitty gritty little details of every aspect on life and focus on being good people, looking into themselves, respecting everyone, and working for the next phase in our journey...but too often, you have crap like this taking precedence...no wonder the world is so violent now...everyone wants to be better, to be "known" for something (even a name), and overall feel superior to others.. whether through an affiliation, money, education, class, faith, etc..let it go. no one cares.


wa salam

[spicyhijabi]

psychoteddybear said

it's great to feel pride for where you're from and what your family is about, but it's not one of the most important things in the world or in this life to focus on. however, i understand why you would feel so strongly about it. anything but extreme nationalism is fine... as far as religion goes, as long as you know you're having children and can give your name to them, what else is necessary? but "maintaining" it ranges from person to person. as i said earlier, i don't agree with cultures that goes out of their way to maintain integral family ties...even if it means interbreeding. we need more diversity in the world, living in a circle without seeing what else is in the world only breeds hate and narcissism. then from that stem these ridiculous tribal clans, rules, and the abuse of those who are not a part of your circle which then leads to hate and violence.

but that's just me.

wa salam

What you said doesn't really make sense to me.
I don't see how maintaining family ties evolves into inbreeding, hate and racism.
Strengthening family ties is an Order from Allah (SWT).

[psychoteddybear]

spicyhijabi said

What you said doesn't really make sense to me.
I don't see how maintaining family ties evolves into inbreeding, hate and racism.
Strengthening family ties is an Order from Allah (SWT).

There's no problem with maintaining family ties, but particular cultures go overboard and make it their little universe. THAT is wrong.

[Timbit]

sixpakistan said

Are you guys seriously asking why males want their lineage/lineal identity to continue?

My mind is blown.

Yeah.

I mean, I've read some theories about it. I'm just not sure.

[Revert]

Traditionally your father is the one who is supposed to pass down islamic knowledge. I can see why lineage is important, trust me, if someone who grew up hating his father can say that then anyone should be able too.