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Originally Posted by Jaysh

A laughable argument. The TRUE takfeeris are none other than the Shias. You guys call everything that moves to be a Nasibi. And a Nasibi is WORSE than a kaafir, according to your sect.

You yourself have called me that. In fact, you call anyone who opposes Shias to be Nasibis. Classically, your sect used to call ALL sunnis to be nasibis, thereby effectively doing takfeer on all of Ahl as-sunnah. Of course, nowadays there are revisionists who try to hide this fact and claim that there is a difference between the two words, although a quick glance at Shia chat will show that your kind still does takfeer (i.e. calling people nawaasib) whenever they get a chance.

Go to Answering-Ansar, a Shia webpage, and search for the words "nasibi". You will find HUNDREDS of hits. So thats HUNDREDS of takfeers right there.

And you are talking about sunnah...what about your sect's sunnah of cursing and sending laanats? Your sect's tradition is to write "la" after the name of the Sahabah! I didn't even know what "la" stood for until I visited your accursed Shia Chat and found out that it means laanat!

You guys are a laanati sect, always sending laanats on people. Reviling the dead and that sort of thing. If you visit Shia Chat, you will see more laanats and cursing than you have ever seen in your life before!

So next time you accuse us of anything, make sure your own house is in order first.

WHile the Original Post was benificial, you kinda counteracted it with this verbal garbage. All these years and you haven't changed Jaysh, usless e-posturing and full of fluff. I pray you find self control insha'Allah.

[thejellymill]

what i dont get is why someone someone like 'heartbreaker' is banned but jaysh is not only still on here, but was banned and allowed back. They are basically both committing the same crime of trolling and posting hateful garbage. Is it just because jaysh has been here for 100 years and trolls the forums 24/7? Or is it because all the moderators are his friends?

[jinnzaman]

Originally Posted by rahat

if a group is actually outside the fold of islam, then sure we do stuff like that, but it has never been a focus to even 1/100th the degree displayed by modern day sunnis.

Ummm, again. Historically speaking, the majority of Shia sects were extremely takfiri to not only Sunnis, but also to the Khwaraj and the other Shia sub-sects. If you like, I can post historical references because I have a feeling you're basing your arguments on polemic and not evidence.

On the other hand, most Sunnis today aren't takfeeri. Only Salafis are extremely takfeeri.

i mean the original post has nothing technically wrong with it, make fun of the prophet = off to hell, the the difference is that focusing so much on making sure everyone else is a kafir is rather unwarranted.
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rahat

Making fun of the Prophet (sallahu alayhi wa sallam) = kufr.

[ShahRukh]

Originally Posted by Jaysh

Yeah, will the real takfeers please stand up?

Ain't nobody more takfeeri than the twelver Shias.

They just use the word Nasibi instead.

Hahahahahahahahaha

Pwned...That was hilarious

Originally Posted by thejellymill

what i dont get is why someone someone like 'heartbreaker' is banned but jaysh is not only still on here, but was banned and allowed back. They are basically both committing the same crime of trolling and posting hateful garbage. Is it just because jaysh has been here for 100 years and trolls the forums 24/7? Or is it because all the moderators are his friends?

Jaysh is far from being a troll...he replies back to the original posters

The fact that his ability to fry islamophobes with one hand, and bake the liberal/deviant muslims with the other is just remarkable...


Although I do not agree with his tone or attitude and some of his believes...but he does his job pretty effectively at dealing with haters and deviants..

You gotta give credit where its due man...and gotta love the brother in deen for Ummah's sake..

[jinnzaman]

Originally Posted by thejellymill

what i dont get is why someone someone like 'heartbreaker' is banned but jaysh is not only still on here, but was banned and allowed back. They are basically both committing the same crime of trolling and posting hateful garbage. Is it just because jaysh has been here for 100 years and trolls the forums 24/7? Or is it because all the moderators are his friends?

While Jaysh does have the emotionalism of a 12 year old girl getting rejected by her crush, the original post he made is pertinent and representative of the general consensus of Islamic scholarship.

Rejecting the Sunnah or making fun of it is an act of kufr. We're talking about the abstract concept of the Sunnah and not necessarily particular manifestations of it (i.e. such as using miswak). If a person doesn't want to do these things, they don't have to. If a person is openly making fun of this stuff with the intent to mock the Sunnah, then he is mocking the Prophet (sallahu alayhi wa sallam) and Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) and this is kufr.

[jinnzaman]

Originally Posted by Revert

WHile the Original Post was benificial, you kinda counteracted it with this verbal garbage. All these years and you haven't changed Jaysh, usless e-posturing and full of fluff. I pray you find self control insha'Allah.

What part of his post was 'garbage'? The person he was responding to was engaging in an argument and Jaysh exposed the contradictions of that argument.

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Jaysh could have been a lot more tactful insha'Allah he logs on soon so it doesn't appear as if we are backbiting him.

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by Revert

Jaysh could have been a lot more tactful insha'Allah he logs on soon so it doesn't appear as if we are backbiting him.

tact? What's that?

Who gets to decide if someone is "mocking" sunnah, or simply not practicing it?

[zeyneddine]

Originally Posted by ShahRukh

Hahahahahahahahaha

Pwned...That was hilarious


Jaysh is far from being a troll...he replies back to the original posters

The fact that his ability to fry islamophobes with one hand, and bake the liberal/deviant muslims with the other is just remarkable...


Although I do not agree with his tone or attitude and some of his believes...but he does his job pretty effectively at dealing with haters and deviants..

You gotta give credit where its due man...and gotta love the brother in deen for Ummah's sake..

I dont quite see how anyone is "frying" islamophobes and "baking" the liberals/deviants. On the contrary, it seems to me that their views would be hardened based on a reflection of the posts made here against them.

Anyone can say spiteful things and win "points" against others. I dont think that should be anyone's intentions, especially when you cannot stand the same against yourself.

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Originally Posted by jinnzaman

What part of his post was 'garbage'? The person he was responding to was engaging in an argument and Jaysh exposed the contradictions of that argument.

The typical Jaysh rhetoric was Garabge bro, like I said he could have been more tactful and less aggressive.

Thats the thing with him, he may produce results and expose people but the way he deals with people is that same as taking a dump on someones shoes then offering them a dead skunk to clean it with.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

tact? What's that?

Who gets to decide if someone is "mocking" sunnah, or simply not practicing it?

I dunno... Burt the hippie?

[zeyneddine]

Originally Posted by thejellymill

what i dont get is why someone someone like 'heartbreaker' is banned but jaysh is not only still on here, but was banned and allowed back. They are basically both committing the same crime of trolling and posting hateful garbage. Is it just because jaysh has been here for 100 years and trolls the forums 24/7? Or is it because all the moderators are his friends?

hahahaha. This reminds me of Shiachat. They would ban everyone who would dare speak anything against Shias but constant laanats aforementioned would continue.

Islamica's Religious sub-forum is a flip of that. And that really should mean a lot.

edit: in case people didnt understand, its really shameful that this place is a mirror of Shiachat.

[jinnzaman]

Originally Posted by Revert

The typical Jaysh rhetoric was Garabge bro, like I said he could have been more tactful and less aggressive.

Thats the thing with him, he may produce results and expose people but the way he deals with people is that same as taking a dump on someones shoes then offering them a dead skunk to clean it with.

Look, the Shias on this forum have this obsession with constantly bashing Sunnism and puffing up Shiasm. They were asserting that "unlike the Sunnis, we don't engage in takfeer." This statement is patently false since there were plenty of Shias who not only did takfeer, but warred on people and imposed jizyah and took Sunnis as slaves. Jaysh called them out on this smear tactic. He didn't mock them or do takfeer, so lets give him credit where its due and not overinflate charges.

[thejellymill]

Originally Posted by jinnzaman

While Jaysh does have the emotionalism of a 12 year old girl getting rejected by her crush, the original post he made is pertinent and representative of the general consensus of Islamic scholarship.

My post had nothing to do with rejecting the content of the original post. However, it seems he posts things simply to get a reaction and cause needless bickering...i.e. arguing for the sake of arguing. Most practicing Muslims know that mocking the sunnah is forbidden, most practicing Muslims know niqab is considered fard by some scholars and it is also a fact that not all Shia are considered deviants or out of the fold of Islam. Why post about these things except to cause cause controversy and idle discussion that leads to arguments? It's called "i have nothing better to do but troll islamica."

[jinnzaman]

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

tact? What's that?

Who gets to decide if someone is "mocking" sunnah, or simply not practicing it?

No offense, but this is a pretty dumb question. There's a world of a difference between not fulfilling Sunnahs and mocking them. Not using miswak is different making fun of people who do, not growing out one's beard is different from making fun of people who do, etc. Its pretty clear cut, not complicated.

It is obl