[Ayooshi]

Asalamu Alaikum,

I had this fatwaa sent to me, which is by Mufti Ibrahim Desai, but i've heard ALOT to the contrary. Has anyone ever attended one of these? My friend may be attending one, for a masjid this weekend.

Question:
Do you know anything about “khatam-e-khajgani”? Its where few people sit together to read zikr on pieces of almond shells or anything to keep count of the number, one says out loud the zikr i.e. subhanallah and then the rest take some pieces and read and throw the pieces in the middle where all the pieces gather then the same person says another type of zikr and so on and in the end a prayer is recited so that Allah would solve a problem occurred or any kind of need. Is this kind of zikr allowed as I heard that once this incedent happened after the prophet’s death where few sahaba were sitting together doing the same thing, and a great sahabi disagreed on this act? Please clarify whether this is allowed or not?


Answer :
In principle, if there is no prohibition for an act in Shari’ah, that act will be permissible if it does not violate other principles of the Shari’ah. Since there is no prohibition of khatam-e-khajgaan in Shari’ah, the act will be permissible on condition one does not regard the act as compulsory. If the practise of khatm-e-khajgaan is regarded to be compulsory in anyway, by either imposing on people the practice or reproaching those who do not participate in the act, then it will not be permissible and it will be regarded as an act of bid’ah.

The incident in reference is that of Abdullah ibn Mas’ood [Radhiallaahu anhu]. It was the era of the Sahaaba [Radhiallaahu anhum] and establishing Sunnah. It was necessary for a Sahaabi to oppose any act not practised by or in the presence of Rasulullah [Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam] as the silence of a Sahaabi [Radhiallaahu anhu] will indicate the act to be Sunnah as is the case in taraweeh and many other acts. The opposition of the Sahaabi [Radhiallaahu anhu] does not mean the act was not mubaah (permissible).

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

Fi AmanAllah

[Jaysh]

Originally Posted by Ayooshi

Asalamu Alaikum,

I found this fatwaa on it by Mufti Ibrahim Desai, but i've heard ALOT to the contrary. Has anyone ever attended one of these? My friend may be attending one, for a masjid this weekend.

Wa alaykum as-salam,

I don't know about the answer to the actual question, but the fatwa is highly flawed.

In principle, if there is no prohibition for an act in Shari’ah, that act will be permissible if it does not violate other principles of the Shari’ah.

This is not true at all. Everything is halal by default until proven haram, EXCEPT for acts of worship (Ibaadah), which are all HARAM until proven halal. This is the correct principle.

This part here is completely wrong:

Since there is no prohibition of khatam-e-khajgaan in Shari’ah, the act will be permissible on condition one does not regard the act as compulsory.

Why not check on Islam-qa for a reliable fatwa insha-Allah?

[Ayooshi]

Asalamu Alaikum,

I looked through Islam-qa after making the thread and got this. Its not exactly relating to it, Its about reciting Ya-Sin for the dead, not dhikr. There are similar links as well but for duaa.

Fi AmanAllah

[zeyneddine]

Originally Posted by Jaysh

Wa alaykum as-salam,

I don't know about the answer to the actual question, but the fatwa is highly flawed.



This is not true at all. Everything is halal by default until proven haram, EXCEPT for acts of worship (Ibaadah), which are all HARAM until proven halal. This is the correct principle.

This part here is completely wrong:



Why not check on Islam-qa for a reliable fatwa insha-Allah?

So like doing ibaadah or zikr in the above manner is haraam because its not proven halaal?

[Timbit]

Um, we have khatams all the time (never heard them being called "khatam-e-khajgani" before though). For somebody's death (yearly) or the 40th day after their death, I think (chalisya/chaliswa) or when somebody gets a new house/office. Actually, I don't think we have very many chalisyas, but perhaps that's because not very many people in my family have died yet? I know my parents have been to some chalisyas.

It's either reciting durood on date pits or some other kind of counters (one time when my aunt was having a difficult pregnancy, it was Durood Tanjina) but usually reading the whole Qur'an plus Surah Yasin. Usually, it only lasts a few hours, so people read the Qur'an beforehand at home and come to recite Surah Yasin (or finish their part of the Qur'an if they haven't done their homework that's usually my dad; we leave the 30th sipaara for him, 'cause it's the easiest ). And then there's a congregational du'a and then we eat, and sometimes the food is blessed. Bad thing to admit on Islamica?

And we have milads.



One time, Spice and our other Salafi friend came to my house and I gave them some food and mentioned that my parents had brought it from somewhere. To which Spice went like "Omg, watch her be feeding us some chalisya!" Then they almost threw the food up.

[Sim]

^^^ we have the same in our place.its no big deal just gathering to recite Quran and pray for those who have passed away.

Originally Posted by Jaysh

Wa alaykum as-salam,

This is not true at all. Everything is halal by default until proven haram, EXCEPT for acts of worship (Ibaadah), which are all HARAM until proven halal. This is the correct principle.

something tells me you mis-use this principle.

[poga]

I am the destroyer of all qadiani be iman and sufiswines
Yet i love this zikr

Mind, Body, Soul » Blog Archive » Ya Hu

Listen to it i hope it will as enjoyable as was for me

[Spice]

Originally Posted by Timbit

And we have milads.



One time, Spice and our other Salafi friend came to my house and I gave them some food and mentioned that my parents had brought it from somewhere. To which Spice went like "Omg, watch her be feeding us some chalisya!" Then they almost threw the food up.

I'm not a fan of biddah food, and khatam=biddah. You biddahs, the lot of you!

[Timbit]

I think I was kidding. I don't remember giving you guys the outside food anyway; I'm pretty sure I gave you other stuff.

'Cause I wanted that biryani all to myself.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by Jaysh

Wa alaykum as-salam,

I don't know about the answer to the actual question, but the fatwa is highly flawed.



This is not true at all. Everything is halal by default until proven haram, EXCEPT for acts of worship (Ibaadah), which are all HARAM until proven halal. This is the correct principle.

This part here is completely wrong:



Why not check on Islam-qa for a reliable fatwa insha-Allah?

Why don't you email the scholar? Can you not see the double standard in your post?

[Jaysh]

Originally Posted by Revert

Why don't you email the scholar? Can you not see the double standard in your post?

What is the double standard in my post? Do tell.

[Goldi]

The fatwa is right. Although I personally think that it reeks of pakistani cultural nonsense [what probably started as a practical detail to keep track of zikr is now probably a compulsory act "Javed, did you do the throwing" "Alhamdulillah Amjad, i did, the throw of the almond shell,nit really made me feel spiritually alive. if it werent for eid milad e khatam-e-khajgani sharif, where would our nation be? nara-e-khajgan!!!! BADAAAAM!!!!!]

[jinnzaman]

Originally Posted by Goldi

The fatwa is right. Although I personally think that it reeks of pakistani cultural nonsense [what probably started as a practical detail to keep track of zikr is now probably a compulsory act "Javed, did you do the throwing" "Alhamdulillah Amjad, i did, the throw of the almond shell,nit really made me feel spiritually alive. if it werent for eid milad e khatam-e-khajgani sharif, where would our nation be? nara-e-khajgan!!!! BADAAAAM!!!!!]

hahaha.

u rawk

i roll

[Timbit]

Originally Posted by Goldi

The fatwa is right. Although I personally think that it reeks of pakistani cultural nonsense [what probably started as a practical detail to keep track of zikr is now probably a compulsory act "Javed, did you do the throwing" "Alhamdulillah Amjad, i did, the throw of the almond shell,nit really made me feel spiritually alive. if it werent for eid milad e khatam-e-khajgani sharif, where would our nation be? nara-e-khajgan!!!! BADAAAAM!!!!!]

Whoa, Goldi's back.

Your writing zikr instead of dhikr reeks of Pakistani cultural nonsense.

[Wolfn]

Originally Posted by Ayooshi

What is khatam-e-khajgani?

I can't even pronounce that.