[wheelworks]

Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

Its a complete way of life with the Quran and Sunnah as its two main sources of reference.

You basically go and hound Rambo's threads for the 'duh!' questions he asks...and then you go and post this

[Salika]

Originally Posted by Timbit

Ayooshi: I didn't make it up.



Man, I don't even like that song. But after my encounter with this idiot yesterday (see my latest post in the Cracked Out RL Conversations thread), I think maybe it needs more publicity.

Grade school would be the "Five Pillars of Islam" song.

Five Pillars of Islam
of Islam of Islam
Five Pillars of Islam
First one is shahadah
Shahadah shahadah

or the A is for Allah

I dunno if you know it, but it's sung to a familiar tune.

I never went to an Islamic school though, but my younger siblings apparently had a way more fun time at madrassah than I did and I learned it from them. They got to sing songs and have parties and all that. No fair.

Ya, that song was blasted at ISNA, I remember it well and all the times it got stuck in my head heh

[socceroni67]

The greatest religion ever created !!!!

[kellyjaz]

The foundations of my belief are the Quran And Sunnah, i'm gradually beginning to undrestand the importance of the islamic scholars.

> Quran
> Sunnah
> Smarties.

[Timbit]

Salika, which song?

At RIS 2006, they played Sami Yusuf's Hasbi Rabbi and that was my first time hearing it. These girls next to me were singing along, heh, and I had to ask them to clarify the words (they didn't even speak Urdu but were singing the Urdu part ).

I was hoping they'd play it this last RIS too, but they didn't.

[Salika]

Originally Posted by Timbit

Salika, which song?

At RIS 2006, they played Sami Yusuf's Hasbi Rabbi and that was my first time hearing it. These girls next to me were singing along, heh, and I had to ask them to clarify the words (they didn't even speak Urdu but were singing the Urdu part ).

I was hoping they'd play it this last RIS too, but they didn't.

The:

"Islam, it's all about peeeace, terrorism, it doesn't teach" etc...

But ya, that was a few years ago. I just remember it being constantly stuck in my head till like a year later.

[Fortune]

Islam: My anti-drug.

[Ayooshi]

Originally Posted by Timbit

Ayooshi: I didn't make it up.

Asalamu Alaikum,

What is it from? Loll....I was thinking of a big fat church choir lady singing that....haha it was funny in my head.

Fi AmanAllah

[poga]

Originally Posted by Ayooshi

Asalamu Alaikum,

What is it from? Loll....I was thinking of a big fat church choir lady singing that....haha it was funny in my head.

Fi AmanAllah

A woman's heart should be so close to God that a man must seek Him to find her

Woman heart is so close to cosmetic department that man only need check his wallet to find her

[shadha]

Timbit: I dunno if you know it, but it's sung to a familiar tune.

Hahhahaha I can't stand that song either. About the five pillars, I know it as:

There are 5 pillars [hold up hand] in Islam, there are 5 pillars in Islam
The first pillar is Shahadah
The second pillar is Salat
The third pillar is fast in Ramadan
....

We had his CD growing up...Mustaqim Sahir
....no comment. The only bearable song might have been America get up. That's it.

Hey! Do you remember the song that went:

I'm a little Muslim child
Covered all over is my style
All the Muslim boys and girls
Going to change the future going to change the world [not sure of this line]


shadha-

[Revert]

Originally Posted by Jaysh

That's what they always think/say/claim.

If you had said that 'converts are not the ONLY ones...', then I'd definitely agree with you. But you said 'convert's aren't the offenders...', I gotta disagree with that.

Every group of people tends to mix their culture into Islam, INCLUDING converts. Oftentimes, converts try to mix their 'post-enlightenment' thinking and modernism into Islam.

My bad bro I meant to say main offenders...sorry bout that. I'd still like to know what your definition of Eurocentrism is, insha'Allah.

Originally Posted by jinnzaman

There is no "Islam", there are IslamS and each interpretation is just as subjective as the other but some more so than the rest.

Traditionalism doesn't have an exclusive hold on truth, but in my opinion, its better than anything else out there.

Also, rejecting hadeeth can be construed as kufr.

No one is rejecting Hadith..not me anyway...I've been doing a lot of thinking recently and reading and just thought i'd share my view and hopefully start a discussion.

Also Its interesting to see how different people/races/cultures view the din.

Originally Posted by Salika

The concept of only looking at the Qur'an and seeing as the be all end all is an overly simplistic concept which can lead to much confusion. It begs the question "who's interpretation of the Qur'an?" and "what if the Qur'an does not explicitly speak about such a matter?"

Also, many people who view the Qur'an as the be all end all tend to use their own personal views of what the Qur'an should be. This is very indivudalist (a very modern/Western concept) which is contrary to the sunnah.

Feel free to expand on your first point as I'm intruiged.

[Jaysh]

Originally Posted by AceOfHearts

Peace brother,

I would like to suggest a good forum to read in your own time:

Muslim-Villa

Revert is not a kaafir.

[dreamdeferred]

Originally Posted by Jaysh

Revert is not a kaafir.

Totally unnecessary brother.

[Salika]

Originally Posted by Revert

Feel free to expand on your first point as I'm intruiged.

While it is true that the Qur'an is our guide, it came in a context to a people through a human being. If Allah merely just wanted us to follow the Qur'an (and I realize you believe in hadith, so you know what I mean) then why send it through a messenger and tell us to obey the messenger (mind you, the Qur'an is Allah's direct words).

The Qur'an is not the be all end all. For example, the Qur'an explicitly states one of the integrals of wudu' is washing the feet. No one contends that. But there are hadith that allows to wipe over the khuff. Is this a contradiction? Do we leave the hadith and say such a wudu' is not valid because one has not washed the foot? Of course not. Shaykh Faraz put it nicely once and stated that hadith serve as a foot note to the Qur'an. We have to balance them out through principles.

And consider, what good is using the Qur'an as a guide if there's no method to interpretation? One of the most important purposes of law is to inform people in advanced of what to expect from the legal system. There needs to be definition, principles, criteria, etc to determine how to interpret the Qur'an.

Anyways, developing an Islamic legal system is not only necessary, but inevitable. Mind you, it was something that developed over time as needed. When Islam started to spread, many new questions arose that could not be directly addressed by the Qur'an or even the sunnah. Don't forget that many legal rulings are a result of questions that scholars received. And of course scholars can't just make it up as they go along and read the Qur'an how they personally deemed fit. A system had to develop and that's what happened.

So ya, the idea is overly simplistic basically because it does not address the needs of our society and it would leave room for too much inconsistency.

Hope that helps?

[zzze]

assalamu alaykum

what was that about DWA, revert?

His songs are definitely the best in the 'muslim market'', so clear and sincere

cos the world is not a boxxxxx...