[Rambo]

I have a question. Are muslims also the children of Israel? Quran talks about Children of Israel so many times. so are we or does that refer to Jews and Christians only?

[Variable]

Why would Christians be considered the Children of Israel?

[Rambo]

^ so is it only jews?

also then why does Quran mentions the jews so much

[poga]

Half and half

[poga]

Originally Posted by Variable

Why would Christians be considered the Children of Israel?

Because JUSUS was full JEW
And MUHAMMAD Sallel La Hu Alahi Wa Sallim
Half Jew half gentile

[wheelworks]

Originally Posted by poga

Because JUSUS was full JEW
And MUHAMMAD Sallel La Hu Alahi Wa Sallim
Half Jew half gentile

Or rather they were all Muslims...

[bravotwozero]

Originally Posted by poga

Because JUSUS was full JEW
And MUHAMMAD Sallel La Hu Alahi Wa Sallim
Half Jew half gentile

I think there is a better explanation out there.

[ChotooMotoo]

Children of Israel refers to the descendens of the children of Jacob, who was himself the son of Isaac (Isaac being the brother is Ishmael), and grandson of Abraham. They are mentioned frequently because Allah (swt) sent many messengers to the Children of Israel (bani Israel), and the geographical proximity of those messengers to Arabia.

So no, it doesn't refer to Christians, or Muslims, unless they specifically descend from one of the 12 tribes.

[poga]

Originally Posted by bravotwozero

I think there is a better explanation out there.

Yes half ADAM and half JINN

[Rambo]

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

Children of Israel refers to the descendens of the children of Jacob, who was himself the son of Isaac (Isaac being the brother is Ishmael), and grandson of Abraham. They are mentioned frequently because Allah (swt) sent many messengers to the Children of Israel (bani Israel), and the geographical proximity of those messengers to Arabia.

So no, it doesn't refer to Christians, or Muslims, unless they specifically descend from one of the 12 tribes.

didn't those 12 tribes spread throught out the middle east? So i am guessing many muslims today are from those tribes

[Revert]

According to Jewish sources Ishmael isn't "Jewish" as chose not to serve God. His descendants were not included in the Abrahamic Covenant. Its because at that time Jewishness was shown through service to God not through lineage. It wasn't until later on at Sanai that Jewishness was defined according to the Torah and the 613 miztovs.

[Jaysh]

Originally Posted by Rambo

I have a question. Are muslims also the children of Israel? Quran talks about Children of Israel so many times. so are we or does that refer to Jews and Christians only?

Thank you for your query.

The Children of Israel refers to the Jews, not the Muslims or Christians.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best,
Imam Jaysh
Fatwa Dept

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by Rambo

didn't those 12 tribes spread throught out the middle east? So i am guessing many muslims today are from those tribes

No. Not likely. Historically Jews have not intermarried into the local population. While they certainly did have colonies throughout the world, they kept their religion and culture pretty distinct. The term "Children of Israel" also applies to those who follow Judaism. If you converted to another religion, you are no longer of the "chosen people."

Some people think, for instance, that Kashmiri's and some Afghan's used to be Jews. However, since they aren't Jewish now, they aren't considered the Children of Israel, whatever their ancestry may be. There are ancient Jewish tribes in Africa which, while they don't look like the modern European Jews, have been Jewish for centuries, and probably are part of those lost tribes. That's why Ashkenazi Jews, while descended from Eastern European converts, are considered the Children of Israel, even though their blood lineage is not so much. Sephardic Jews, on the other hand, were and still are.

Muslims? No.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

No. Not likely. Historically Jews have not intermarried into the local population. While they certainly did have colonies throughout the world, they kept their religion and culture pretty distinct. The term "Children of Israel" also applies to those who follow Judaism. If you converted to another religion, you are no longer of the "chosen people."

Some people think, for instance, that Kashmiri's and some Afghan's used to be Jews. However, since they aren't Jewish now, they aren't considered the Children of Israel, whatever their ancestry may be. There are ancient Jewish tribes in Africa which, while they don't look like the modern European Jews, have been Jewish for centuries, and probably are part of those lost tribes. That's why Ashkenazi Jews, while descended from Eastern European converts, are considered the Children of Israel, even though their blood lineage is not so much. Sephardic Jews, on the other hand, were and still are.

Muslims? No.

Sepharidc Jews originated in Spain they are no different from Ashkenazi in that respect. Mizrahi (arab) Jews are more likley to be the TRUE children of Israel in blood and religious lineage.

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by Revert

Sepharidc Jews originated in Spain they are no different from Ashkenazi in that respect. Mizrahi (arab) Jews are more likley to be the TRUE children of Israel in blood and religious lineage.

Hmm... I understood differently. I understood that the Sephardic Jews migrated to Spain from other places, and were then kicked out along with the Muslims later, not that they had converted to Judaism from the native Christian population.