[annie_359]

Salaams all

I was sitting in my room alone studying (!) the other day and the Adaan went off and just as I was about to reach for my Hijaab I thought: "Oh, it's okay, there's no men around" and then thought: "No, but Allah SWT can see me" but then I thought: "Well He can see me in my pyjama's anyway".. (Sorry if that's not making sense )

I'm going to carry on wearing it during Adaan anyway, it's not like I am questioning it sooo deep that I refuse to do it but I was just curious as to what the reasons for this was.

I know this isn't the best place to ask but can anyone tell me why do we cover our hair during the Adaan/public Duaa's?

I can understand it is a sign of respect... definately

I thought maybe we cover our hair because we cover our hair during Salaat.. but then carrying out our Salaat (intentional and planned actions) and hearing the Adaan (sometimes unintentional i.e. walking past a Masjid) is not the same is it? Or is it?

Going to Muslim weddings, the women are dressed quite skin-revealing (sometimes segregated, sometimes not) without Hijaab but when the Nikah duaa is being read out they panic looking for a piece of cloth to cover their hair during the duaa.. I dunno how to explain it but are they covering their hair for the duaa, they still have their belly/arms showing so they might as well not cover their hair.. (By the way, this is not b*tching against these women, I am simply trying to draw parallels to Hijaabing up properly during Salaat versus Adaan's and public Duaa's)

Oh, and if their belly/arms are showing, should they not bother trying to cover their hair during the Duaa/Adaan? Again, I'm not judging or being holier-than-thou, this is a genuine question

Also, say I am sitting in a room with non-Mahrems and don't have my Hijaab on because it's just me and my cousin in the room. Let's say I am cooking for example, and my kid cousin is reciting a Quran Ayaah she learn that day, should I also cover my hair then? Like I said, I already would, but I want to strengthen my actions by understanding the meanings behind them.

Sorry it's gotten a bit long but I thought I may as well throw in all relevant scenario's I've been in while I'm at it..

JAZK for ur time

Annie

[Spice]

Salam annie
how was the Pakistan trip?
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As far as I know, assuming a woman is in an environment where she is not required to do hijab- no non-mehrams are present- she is not required to cover her head during adhaan or Quranic recitation. However, we should note that covering the head/hair is not only a part of purdah but its also a sign of modesty. Because you mentioned the wedding/dupatta thing, Id assume you can understand the following example: In the desi tradition women cover their heads in the presence of mehram men as well, like the father, father in law, uncles, and so on- not because theyre required to, but out of modesty and respect for the elders. Its the same with the adhaan and recitation, although you are not required to cover (again, as far as I know) its sign of modesty and respect for the call of prayer and the Word of God. Someone correct me if I'm wrong

oh, muslim women shouldnt be wearing revealing clothing, the end. What they should or shouldnt cover while their arms/legs/whatevers are showing doesnt matter anymore

[Ayooshi]

Asalamu Alaykum,

Its a cultural thing. We are not required to cover at those times, or also another misconception, we don't have to cover our hair because angels may be present.

I remember I went to this lecture, and of course it was segregated. My hair was wet so I took off my hijaab to air it out, and three pakistani women jumped me and said "Do you know places where the dhikr of Allah is made are packed with angels? Do you know all the angels can SEE your hair now? How hayaless can you be?"

I gently explained to them that its not an obligation, but Im not sure they understood.

Allahu Alim
Fi AmanAllah

[annie_359]

Originally Posted by Spice

Salam annie
how was the Pakistan trip?
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As far as I know, assuming a woman is in an environment where she is not required to do hijab- no non-mehrams are present- she is not required to cover her head during adhaan or Quranic recitation. However, we should note that covering the head/hair is not only a part of purdah but its also a sign of modesty. Because you mentioned the wedding/dupatta thing, Id assume you can understand the following example: In the desi tradition women cover their heads in the presence of mehram men as well, like the father, father in law, uncles, and so on- not because theyre required to, but out of modesty and respect for the elders. Its the same with the adhaan and recitation, although you are not required to cover (again, as far as I know) its sign of modesty and respect for the call of prayer and the Word of God. Someone correct me if I'm wrong

oh, muslim women shouldnt be wearing revealing clothing, the end. What they should or shouldnt cover while their arms/legs/whatevers are showing doesnt matter anymore

Hello, Spicey :hug:
PK was cool, thanx

You pretty much repeated my thoughts, in that we do it out of respect.. and it's funny you should mention the dupatta thing coz me and my Afghan friend couldn't seem to explain to our revert West Indian friend (who is much more knowledgable and practicing than us mashAllah ) why we would feel shy around our fathers if we were pregnant and wearing a vest and shorts with our legs not closed and belly's popping out of our vests.. it was so funny watching her exasperated gasps of "But he's your Daaaaaad, your Mehram!!"

Ah, and I didn't quite understand that last bit.. repetez s'il vous plait!

Originally Posted by Ayooshi

Also another misconception, we don't have to cover our hair because angels may be present.

Salaams and thanx for ur input

So if those ladies basically are saying the Angels shouldn't see you without ur Hijaab, don't agree that the angels are able to see you without ur Hijaab anyway as they are not only going to be in that meeting but around us at other times also? (i.e. angels on our shoulders )

When I was in Pakistan I took so much battering for refusing to take my Hijaab off at my cousins' non-segregated weddings and it's kinda weird that those same people donned the Hijaab during Adaan/Duaa's even when there is no non-mehram around... upside down world! Much like how covering your chest area is given bigger priority than covering your hair (I'm not saying this is the case with all Pakistani's)

Annie

[zeyneddine]

Originally Posted by Ayooshi

Asalamu Alaykum,

Its a cultural thing. We are not required to cover at those times, or also another misconception, we don't have to cover our hair because angels may be present.

I remember I went to this lecture, and of course it was segregated. My hair was wet so I took off my hijaab to air it out, and three pakistani women jumped me and said "Do you know places where the dhikr of Allah is made are packed with angels? Do you know all the angels can SEE your hair now? How hayaless can you be?"

I gently explained to them that its not an obligation, but Im not sure they understood.

Allahu Alim
Fi AmanAllah

haaaaaaaaaaahahahha hahahhhahaaa. jinns can also see your hair.
and aliens.
and also them:


YOU ARE VERY HAYALESS SISTER!!!

[Ayooshi]

Asalamu Alaykum

Originally Posted by annie_359

Salaams and thanx for ur input

So if those ladies basically are saying the Angels shouldn't see you without ur Hijaab, don't agree that the angels are able to see you without ur Hijaab anyway as they are not only going to be in that meeting but around us at other times also? (i.e. angels on our shoulders )

When I was in Pakistan I took so much battering for refusing to take my Hijaab off at my cousins' non-segregated weddings and it's kinda weird that those same people donned the Hijaab during Adaan/Duaa's even when there is no non-mehram around... upside down world! Much like how covering your chest area is given bigger priority than covering your hair (I'm not saying this is the case with all Pakistani's)

Annie

Exactly! I told them something along the same lines...but they wouldn't back down. They kept calling me besharam and that I was giving a bad example to their young daughters. SuhbhanAllah.

Oh and the Pakistan thing...Im pretty sure battering hijabi's is a traditonal thing there, every hijabi goes through it. Allhamdulilah though, I think i became stronger in my representation of Hijab because of it.

Every remark of criticism is another oppurtunity for us to defend our deen and promote dawaah. So allhamdulilah.

Fi AmanAllah

[zakk]

Originally Posted by annie_359

Much like how covering your chest area is given bigger priority than covering your hair (I'm not saying this is the case with all Pakistani's)

Annie

you know, I've noticed lately that there is alot of priority, at least in my community, on covering the hair, but not at all on covering the chest. which is also incorrect. and another case of culture infecting islam.

[bluey]

Assalam Alaykum,

Yeah, I think it's a cultural thing Annie, I think they probably do it out of respect. And almost every Hijabi goes through a similar situation over there. But like Ayooshi said it just makes you stronger alhamdulilah. I never had that much of a problem because everyone was used to my sister doing strict Niqaab, so they were aware of the rules when I started doing Hijaab and we'd visit. But of course, you can never get away from some of the comments people tend to give out.

I had to attend a wedding recently in Pakistan, and it was mixed, and I wear my Abaya/Jilbab everywhere. I had a lot aunties trying to coax me into not wearing the Abaya, saying just the headscarf and the other clothing were 'Okay', and that I should take it off.

Anyway, keeping steadfast helps and they relent after a while. Usually they end up calling you and asking you to show them what you're wearing underneath.

Originally Posted by Ayooshi

Asalamu Alaykum,

Its a cultural thing. We are not required to cover at those times, or also another misconception, we don't have to cover our hair because angels may be present.

I remember I went to this lecture, and of course it was segregated. My hair was wet so I took off my hijaab to air it out, and three pakistani women jumped me and said "Do you know places where the dhikr of Allah is made are packed with angels? Do you know all the angels can SEE your hair now? How hayaless can you be?"

I gently explained to them that its not an obligation, but Im not sure they understood.

That's funny and sad at the same time.

Oh and another thing is. God forbid you wear western clothing underneath your Abaya [Which people can't even see btw], how can you be wearing Western clothing and Hijab? But it doesn't matter if their daughters wear fitted kameezs, short sleeves and those short shalwars, thats modest enough as long as its traditional clothing. It's infuriating when these same Women who comment on Hijab don't even don it. Also you can't be fashionable normally if you wear Hijab outside. [I mean as in even infront of just other Women].

[zeyneddine]

edited per request even though it was dayum funny

[MuslimahDaTurkish]

We dont cover our hair while hearing adhan,wow its the first time ive heard about this. Adhaan is only a call to prayer. No need to take hijabs on.
To wear headscarves during the Quran's recitation is, for respect.. Its not an obligation either. As u said, some women get in a hurry to cover their hair as soon they hear duaa, hahaha, ive even heard about a woman who couldnt find any headscarf so she put a cup on her hair this is lame.
About mixed weddings or non-mahrams,including our male cousins, OFCOURSE we have to cover ourselves. Some muslim girls dont cover themselves near their cousins, what a pity, this is freakinggggly HARAM.

[zeyneddine]

edited per request even though it was dayum funny

[annie_359]

Originally Posted by Ayooshi

Asalamu Alaykum

Exactly! I told them something along the same lines...but they wouldn't back down. They kept calling me besharam and that I was giving a bad example to their young daughters. SuhbhanAllah.

Oh and the Pakistan thing...Im pretty sure battering hijabi's is a traditonal thing there, every hijabi goes through it. Allhamdulilah though, I think i became stronger in my representation of Hijab because of it.

Every remark of criticism is another oppurtunity for us to defend our deen and promote dawaah. So allhamdulilah.

Fi AmanAllah

I'm really sorry to hear that u got accused of setting a bad example to their oh-so-perfect-and-naive-little daughters Allah SWT knows what's in all our hearts..

Yes, ur right on that but coming from "London" (therefore I must be Jaahil ) I got called out on for praying wrong (coz I raise my hands when saying Allahu Akbar before going down to Sajood), using Arabic pronounciation when referring to Wudu, Adaan, Ramadan etc.. but Alhumdulillah, they only had my best interests at heart and didn't do it to make me feel pooh (which is still did coz they refused to lissen to my perspective )

But all in all, after my two months in Pakistan my best friend/cousin started wearing the HIjaab too.. she was already praying but found it hard to wear the Hijaab coz of the incredulous looks she would get from the other trendy cousins/aunts.

Originally Posted by zakk

you know, I've noticed lately that there is alot of priority, at least in my community, on covering the hair, but not at all on covering the chest. which is also incorrect. and another case of culture infecting islam.

Wow.. in a way I'm impressed almost coz in my "community" (in want of a better term!) the chest is given priority, but like you say, it's incorrect both ways...

Originally Posted by zeyneddine

Thats how you made it sound like. I apologize if it caused offence.

It didn't sound that way to me...

Annie

[annie_359]

Originally Posted by bluey

Oh and another thing is. God forbid you wear western clothing underneath your Abaya [Which people can't even see btw], how can you be wearing Western clothing and Hijab? But it doesn't matter if their daughters wear fitted kameezs, short sleeves and those short shalwars, thats modest enough as long as its traditional clothing. It's infuriating when these same Women who comment on Hijab don't even don it. Also you can't be fashionable normally if you wear Hijab outside. [I mean as in even infront of just other Women].

Salaams sis

Did this "you-can't-wear-Westren-clothes-under-Abayaah" happen in Pakistan? If so, I wouldn't be surprised (eventho I still don't agree with it) simply coz I wouldn't put it past them for being so weird about it, no matter how many girls wear jeans etc.

Annie