[Jaysh]

Post any statements from the Quran, ahadeeth, or scholars that relate to extremism.

I'll start:

1. "Let not the hatred of a people towards you move you to commit injustice." (Quran, 5:8)

2. Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 536:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "Once while a prophet amongst the prophets was taking a rest underneath a tree, an ant bit him. He, therefore, ordered that his luggage be taken away from underneath that tree and then ordered that the dwelling place of the ants should be set on fire. Allah sent him a revelation:-- "Wouldn't it have been sufficient to burn (the) single ant (that bit you)?"

So if this is the way towards ants, then what about the way towards human beings?

[ShotgunMessiah]

Originally Posted by Jaysh

Post any statements from the Quran, ahadeeth, or scholars that relate to extremism.

I'll start:

1. "Let not the hatred of a people towards you move you to commit injustice." (Quran, 5:8)

2. Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 536:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "Once while a prophet amongst the prophets was taking a rest underneath a tree, an ant bit him. He, therefore, ordered that his luggage be taken away from underneath that tree and then ordered that the dwelling place of the ants should be set on fire. Allah sent him a revelation:-- "Wouldn't it have been sufficient to burn (the) single ant (that bit you)?"

So if this is the way towards ants, then what about the way towards human beings?

Why burn any of them at all? It's an ant. It's not done out of malice, and you probably aren't going to die over one ant bite.

Besides, how are you going to know which one bit you?

[Jaysh]

ShotGun Messiah, remove your statement and fear Allah [swt]. You are questioning the direct command of Allah [swt]. Very inappropriate.

We hear and we obey.

[Rambo]

Originally Posted by Jaysh

ShotGun Messiah, remove your statement and fear Allah [swt]. You are questioning the direct command of Allah [swt]. Very inappropriate.

We hear and we obey.

instead of being rude and an idiot as usual, you can just say that there is a higher meaning to that sentence. you only punish one person for the crime, not a whole group of people.

[infamousbrown]

What about extreme apathy. I'm sure that counts for something.

[bluey]

The Messenger sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam said: "He who says to his brother 'O Disbeliever', then it returns upon one of them." He also said: "And he who accuses a believer of Kufr (disbelief) then it is like killing him." [ al-Bukhaaree, Muslim, Maalik, at-Tirmidhee and Abu Dawood.]

Imaam ash-Shawkaanee said concerning this, "Judging that a Muslim has left Islaam and entered into Kufr is something that is not fitting for a Muslim who believes in Allaah and the Last Day except with a proof (Burhaan) which is clearer than the daytime sun, since it is established in the authentic hadith reported by a group of Companions that he who says to his brother "O Kaafir!" Then it returns back to one of them." In another wording, "Whoever addresses a man with Kufr, or says 'Enemy of Allaah' and he is not that, then it returns back upon him"[5*]

[5*. Hadith reported by Muslim (2/49 - Book of Eemaan).]

[zzze]

assalamu alaykum

oh, and don't forget...let's not rise up against our leaders!

[Skinwalker]

Originally Posted by bluey

The Messenger sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam said: "He who says to his brother 'O Disbeliever', then it returns upon one of them." He also said: "And he who accuses a believer of Kufr (disbelief) then it is like killing him." [ al-Bukhaaree, Muslim, Maalik, at-Tirmidhee and Abu Dawood.]

Imaam ash-Shawkaanee said concerning this, "Judging that a Muslim has left Islaam and entered into Kufr is something that is not fitting for a Muslim who believes in Allaah and the Last Day except with a proof (Burhaan) which is clearer than the daytime sun, since it is established in the authentic hadith reported by a group of Companions that he who says to his brother "O Kaafir!" Then it returns back to one of them." In another wording, "Whoever addresses a man with Kufr, or says 'Enemy of Allaah' and he is not that, then it returns back upon him"[5*]

[5*. Hadith reported by Muslim (2/49 - Book of Eemaan).]

So does this mean that you cannot judge whether another is trukly a muslim or not by their actions and that only Allah knows as he judges their hearts? So calling someone a Kufr because they do ot agree with you or appear to be muslim could be a dangerous thing?

[ShahRukh]

Originally Posted by zzze

assalamu alaykum

oh, and don't forget...let's not rise up against our leaders!

I hate the moderators still

[Jaysh]

Originally Posted by Skinwalker

So does this mean that you cannot judge whether another is trukly a muslim or not by their actions and that only Allah knows as he judges their hearts? So calling someone a Kufr because they do ot agree with you or appear to be muslim could be a dangerous thing?

No, this is not true. What it means is that we must not declare someone a Non-Muslim without definitive proof of that.

[MossadConspiracy]

good topic because extremism is evil

unfortunately, fanatical people do not see themselves as practicing extremism

an unrelated (non-facetious) question: why do so many salafis frequently use double vowels in arabic-to-english transliterations. This includes extremist ones who support terrorist groups and the taliban as well as non-extremist ones, it doesnt seem to have anything to do with views on these subjects, but it always seems to be salafis. For example, a becomes aa, i becomes ee, u becomes oo, etc. Is this supposed to more accurately approximate the way Arabic words are pronounced? As far as I can tell, salafi and salafee are pronounced exactly the same, the only difference is how the words look. Is the double vowel thing a marker of identity in some way?

ws

[bluey]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

an unrelated (non-facetious) question: why do so many salafis frequently use double vowels in arabic-to-english transliterations. This includes extremist ones who support terrorist groups and the taliban as well as non-extremist ones, it doesnt seem to have anything to do with views on these subjects, but it always seems to be salafis. For example, a becomes aa, i becomes ee, u becomes oo, etc. Is this supposed to more accurately approximate the way Arabic words are pronounced? As far as I can tell, salafi and salafee are pronounced exactly the same, the only difference is how the words look. Is the double vowel thing a marker of identity in some way?

ws

Sorry, I just found the whole thing funny. A relation between 'extremist' groups and how they write? I've noticed though that people who have been studying Arabic or have a degree in fusha/islamic studies/shariah tend to make sure they write 'properly'. Wa Allahu aalam. Sometimes I use double vowels instead of single ones, but usually that happens unconciously and is connected to how I pronounce the word in real life. For example, I usually write Niqaab instead of Niqab, but I just like writing it that way/pronounce it that way. But Bukhari is Bukhari, etc. [I hope that doesn't mean I'm an extremist ]

I think it's a generalisation though, I know Salafis who don't write like that and non-salafis who sometimes do.

Err, I was looking for that hadith and I copy/pasted it from somewhere and didn't have time to change the doube ee's to I.

[Jaysh]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

good topic because extremism is evil

unfortunately, fanatical people do not see themselves as practicing extremism

an unrelated (non-facetious) question: why do so many salafis frequently use double vowels in arabic-to-english transliterations. This includes extremist ones who support terrorist groups and the taliban as well as non-extremist ones, it doesnt seem to have anything to do with views on these subjects, but it always seems to be salafis. For example, a becomes aa, i becomes ee, u becomes oo, etc. Is this supposed to more accurately approximate the way Arabic words are pronounced? As far as I can tell, salafi and salafee are pronounced exactly the same, the only difference is how the words look. Is the double vowel thing a marker of identity in some way?

ws

Wa alaykum as-salam,

I find the double vowel thing to be stupid. I don't think these people understand the English language.

But I disagree with you a bit...the Salafi-Jihadists usually don't use double vowels. It's usually just the Madkhalis / Super-Salafis / Saudi-Salafis...like the SPUBS, SalafiTalk, and Troid people. As soon as you see that kind of writing, it's a big tip off that it's most likely one of these Madkhali types.

[Jamroll]

Originally Posted by Jaysh

Wa alaykum as-salam,

I find the double vowel thing to be stupid. I don't think these people understand the English language.

But I disagree with you a bit...the Salafi-Jihadists usually don't use double vowels. It's usually just the Madkhalis / Super-Salafis / Saudi-Salafis...like the SPUBS, SalafiTalk, and Troid people. As soon as you see that kind of writing, it's a big tip off that it's most likely one of these Madkhali types.

You've been using "Soofee" a bit recently. What is Troid and SPUBS?

[bluey]

Originally Posted by Jamroll

You've been using "Soofee" a bit recently. What is Troid and SPUBS?

Troid and SPUBS people, you wouldn't want to know.



[Okay, I'm probably being mean.]