[Jamroll]

Originally Posted by bluey

Troid and SPUBS people, you wouldn't want to know.

Okay, I'm probably being mean.

But what is it? A salafi forum?

[Jaysh]

Originally Posted by Jamroll

You've been using "Soofee" a bit recently.

Haha, that's true. The Salafi influence getting to me.

What is Troid and SPUBS?

These are two websites. Not forums. The forum is SalafiTalk.net

[bluey]

Anyway, I think it's a huge generalisation saying that because someone types in a certain way, they are so-and-so... It's silly.

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by bluey

Anyway, I think it's a huge generalisation saying that because someone types in a certain way, they are so-and-so... It's silly.

You tell 'em!!! Just because I put "eh" at the end of sentences sometimes, doesn't mean I'm Canadian. Canada rocks and all, but my "eh's" should not be a cause of ridicule and discrimination.

[bluey]

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

You tell 'em!!! Just because I put "eh" at the end of sentences sometimes, doesn't mean I'm Canadian. Canada rocks and all, but my "eh's" should not be a cause of ridicule and discrimination.

Who's bothering you Chotoo? Just give me their names, and I'll have them 'sorted out'.



[I think we're derailing Jayshs thread]

[ChotooMotoo]

Awww.... my classmates like to tease me a bit for my supposedly "Canadian" accent. It's not my fault, everyone from my state talks like that. When my sister went to Taiwan, everyone thought she was Canadian (which is a good thing when you're overseas btw).

Originally Posted by bluey

[I think we're derailing Jayshs thread]

we better not do that. This is actually an okay thread.

[ChotooMotoo]

Slightly back on topic:

I was listening to a radio interview on my way to work about al-queda. The man was saying that tying Palestinians to al-queda is really dumb. Very few Palestinians have ever been part of al-queda, and they all know that bin laden only gives their cause lip service, and that if the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was solved tommorow, bin laden's organization would lost a LOT of support, to the point that it would almost evaporate. He was suggesting that bin laden kind of didn't want the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to end because of that.

[Jaysh]

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

Slightly back on topic:

I was listening to a radio interview on my way to work about al-queda. The man was saying that tying Palestinians to al-queda is really dumb. Very few Palestinians have ever been part of al-queda, and they all know that bin laden only gives their cause lip service, and that if the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was solved tommorow, bin laden's organization would lost a LOT of support, to the point that it would almost evaporate. He was suggesting that bin laden kind of didn't want the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to end because of that.

Well, I don't necessarily agree with this (since I think that extremists are generally sincere...stupid, but sincere)...But, it is true that Shaykh Abdullah Azzam wanted to shift focus from Afghanistan to Palestine, but the mad surgeon Ayman Zawahiri did not want that and instead shifted the focus to global terrorism after killing Sh. Azzam.

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by Jaysh

Wa alaykum as-salam,

I find the double vowel thing to be stupid. I don't think these people understand the English language.

But I disagree with you a bit...the Salafi-Jihadists usually don't use double vowels. It's usually just the Madkhalis / Super-Salafis / Saudi-Salafis...like the SPUBS, SalafiTalk, and Troid people. As soon as you see that kind of writing, it's a big tip off that it's most likely one of these Madkhali types.

Salam

you're probably right about which subdivisions of salafis do it and which dont, as I admit to being ignorant about all the various groupings. I just know that there are some who support terrorism and the taliban and so on, and others who are against the terrorists (and are often big time saudi lovers) and others still who have some overlapping ideology or a different one altogether

Anyway, have you ever come across any rationale for the strange spelling used in transliteration?

ws

[Abu_Hind]

Originally Posted by Jamroll

You've been using "Soofee" a bit recently. What is Troid and SPUBS?

Every govt. has it's propaganda tools. These guys were the mouth piece of strictly saudi govt. approved salafism, and overtime everyone started hating them, so the saudi govt. ditched them. Now they're bunch of fools trying to create fitnah all the time. SPUBS is the UK version, based in Bham. TROID are the Canadian version.

I used to be on their 'manhaj' once

Anyway I think moderation is to take from all the scholarly traditions within the broadly defined paradigm of ahl as-sunnah and follow what a person sincerely believes is the truth. In any disputed matter the opinion of early generations should be used as a yard stick because all the groups claim to respect them. Just one way of avoiding being extreme.

[Abu_Hind]

Originally Posted by Jaysh

Well, I don't necessarily agree with this (since I think that extremists are generally sincere...stupid, but sincere)...But, it is true that Shaykh Abdullah Azzam wanted to shift focus from Afghanistan to Palestine, but the mad surgeon Ayman Zawahiri did not want that and instead shifted the focus to global terrorism after killing Sh. Azzam.

You guys should definitely watch the bbc documentary called "The Power of Nightmares". It's a must watch it gives an interesting insight into two extreme idealogies; the neo-conservatism as expounded by Levi Strauss and his students, and the other is takfeeri-jihadism which contrary to the popular belief did not originate in Saudia but has its roots in Egyptian jails. (Although I think the documentary blames Syed Qutb too much, the people who really formulated an extreme idealogy came much later, as it happens with all extremists many of the early takfeeris such as gama'ah islamiyyah have now become totally modernist)

Oh another interesting thing mentioned in the documentary by an Afghan Jihad veteran was that Abdallah Azzam was assassinated by the crackpots belonging to 'mad surgeons' group').

[bluey]

Originally Posted by Abu_Hind

Every govt. has it's propaganda tools. These guys were the mouth piece of strictly saudi govt. approved salafism, and overtime everyone started hating them, so the saudi govt. ditched them. Now they're bunch of fools trying to create fitnah all the time. SPUBS is the UK version, based in Bham. TROID are the Canadian version.

The Saudi govt. ditched them?

I used to be on their 'manhaj' once

Was this a couple of years ago, when you were a slightly more... angry Abu_Hind on Islamica? Out of curiousity, how did you manage to leave them? What changed your mind?

Anyway, in the past couple of years, I heard/know a lot of people saw the 'light' and realised what they were preaching wasn't exactly correct.

[Jaysh]

Originally Posted by Abu_Hind

You guys should definitely watch the bbc documentary called "The Power of Nightmares". It's a must watch it gives an interesting insight into two extreme idealogies; the neo-conservatism as expounded by Levi Strauss and his students, and the other is takfeeri-jihadism which contrary to the popular belief did not originate in Saudia but has its roots in Egyptian jails. (Although I think the documentary blames Syed Qutb too much, the people who really formulated an extreme idealogy came much later, as it happens with all extremists many of the early takfeeris such as gama'ah islamiyyah have now become totally modernist)

Oh another interesting thing mentioned in the documentary by an Afghan Jihad veteran was that Abdallah Azzam was assassinated by the crackpots belonging to 'mad surgeons' group').

Great post bro.

I too believe that the modern fitnah began in the jails of Egypt. The Egyptian govt tortured them, and their brains went crazy because of that....like Zawahiri...after he was tortured, all he had in his brain was revenge, vengeance, and bloodshed.

Right when Zawahiri and his Egyptian extremists came over to Afghanistan, everything went to hell. They most likely killed Sh. Azzam, sacked his organization, and created Al-Qaeda...they are also probably the reason Bin Ladin went from a mujahid to a terrorist.

What do you think about the Russian connection bro? Alexander Litvenko (sp?), a Russian spy, claimed that Zawahiri was actually trained by the Russians. Makes a lot of sense. Zawahiri shifted the war away from Russia and towards America.

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

Anyway, have you ever come across any rationale for the strange spelling used in transliteration?

I think it's showing off. I think they do it after they learn a bit of Arabic, to make themselves look in the know.

[Abu_Hind]

Originally Posted by bluey

The Saudi govt. ditched them?

Yeah they've changed their strategy I think, now they promote for the modernist pseudo-intellectual crowd.

Was this a couple of years ago, when you were a slightly more... angry Abu_Hind on Islamica? Out of curiousity, how did you manage to leave them? What changed your mind?

Anyway, in the past couple of years, I heard/know a lot of people saw the 'light' and realised what they were preaching wasn't exactly correct.

Haha, well that was just another phase, and I was trying to figure a lot of things out.

The madkhali-phase was 4-5 years ago. Why I left them is a long story, part of the reason is that they had no answers and tried to bog people down in idiotic petty 'refutation culture'. Also because I had bit of a burn-out, and you know started going lax on deen and stuff for a while, then I started to rethink about things...

Originally Posted by Jaysh

Great post bro.

I too believe that the modern fitnah began in the jails of Egypt. The Egyptian govt tortured them, and their brains went crazy because of that....like Zawahiri...after he was tortured, all he had in his brain was revenge, vengeance, and bloodshed.

Right when Zawahiri and his Egyptian extremists came over to Afghanistan, everything went to hell. They most likely killed Sh. Azzam, sacked his organization, and created Al-Qaeda...they are also probably the reason Bin Ladin went from a mujahid to a terrorist.

What do you think about the Russian connection bro? Alexander Litvenko (sp?), a Russian spy, claimed that Zawahiri was actually trained by the Russians. Makes a lot of sense. Zawahiri shifted the war away from Russia and towards America.



I think it's showing off. I think they do it after they learn a bit of Arabic, to make themselves look in the know.

Jzak Allahu khair bro. Wow I didn't know Litivenko made such a claim. Although I wouldn't be too surprised because the ranks of the afghan fighter were heavily infiltrated by different agencies. Although those who fought Russia sincerely will have their ajr with Allah, it was ultimately a proxy war. WAllahu a'alam.

[Jaysh]

The great Maliki Mufassir Imam Al Qurtubi says in his famous tafseer:

دلت الآية على أن كفر الكافر لا يمنع من العدل معه، وأن يقتصر بهم على المستحق من القتال والاسترقاق، وأن المثلة بهم غير جائزة وإن قتلوا نساءنا أو أطفالنا وغمونا بذلك، فليس لنا أن نقتلهم بمثله قصداً لإيصال الغم والحزن إليهم

"The fact that someone disbelieves does not prevent us from being just to him, and that our dealing with them (in a state of war) should only be restricted to fighting or capturing them if they deserve so. And it is not permissible for us to retaliate in the same manner, even if they kill our women and children and cause sorrow to befall us, it is not permissible for us to act likewise with the intention of making them feel grief and sorrow".

("Al Jaami' li Ahkaamil Qur'aan" 6/110).