sufism - whirling dervishes - khwaja gareeb nawaz - johda Akbar

[imaan786]

For those who have seen this film will agree that it was so beautiful and the histroy just amazing. True story and this song was just so spiritual and hits your heart.

Can someone explain to me the significance of whirling dervishes? all I know from what I have been told is that they are in a trance and that one hand in the air and the other towards the people is transfering blessings from the heavens to the people surrounding them.

Please use this thread to Khawja gareeb Nawaz and all such dignified persons in the history of Islam.

Forthose that havent seen the file, I would definitely advise you to watch it, the battles really took me back to the time of our blessed Prophet AS the actirs have definitely done justice to their characters

YouTube - Khwaja Mere Khwaja - Jodha Akbar (Full Songs)

[imaan786]

YouTube - making of jodhaa akbar........

[zeen]

The song's blatant shirk.

[TrentReznor858]

imaan786 said

Can someone explain to me the significance of whirling dervishes? all I know from what I have been told is that they are in a trance and that one hand in the air and the other towards the people is transfering blessings from the heavens to the people surrounding them.
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erm...... transferring blessings?

[bluey]

People believe in these things?

SubhanAllah.

[Jaysh]

Shirk Central.

SalafiBots, a-t-t-a-c-k !!!!

[Salika]

How is the song shirk? (I can't understand it)

It's all very interesting to say the least.

Anyways, to answer your question about the dervishes, they are part of the Mevlevi Sufi Order, which was founded by Maulana Rumi. It's not really trance. They do dhikr and sing songs though I don't think this film is a good portrayal of what they do. The hand movements are symbolic and are not random. My understanding of the hand movements though have been that they their hands open seeking Allah's blessings. I don't think it has to do with transferring blessings, I've never heard that but maybe someone who knows more about them could elaborate.

[Abu_Hind]

From what little I've read or seen of these 'mevlevis', they use musical instruments, that says a lot about their 'adherence' to Shari'ah.

Dancing is haram, I'm not bothered about those who try to justify that dancing is allowed because they themselves perform certain 'dances' while doing hadhra. 'Ulema, the ones I trust and from what I believe the jumhoor of ahl as sunnah and salaf considered it haram.


Anyway regarding shirki songs it shouldn't really come as a surprise. Historical fact: Akbar wasn't a muslim.

[imaan786]

bluey said

People believe in these things?

SubhanAllah.

what are you implying - believe in what "things"? I asked a simple question so my understanding of it is better.

for those of you who want to rant about shirk etc, go shout in another thread. I made this thread with genuine intentions to try and understand

you're all so quick to judge.........


sorry bluey, the first sentance is for you the rest if for those that keep shouting shirk

[imaan786]

Abu_Hind said

From what little I've read or seen of these 'mevlevis', they use musical instruments, that says a lot about their 'adherence' to Shari'ah.

Dancing is haram, I'm not bothered about those who try to justify that dancing is allowed because they themselves perform certain 'dances' while doing hadhra. 'Ulema, the ones I trust and from what I believe the jumhoor of ahl as sunnah and salaf considered it haram.


Anyway regarding shirki songs it shouldn't really come as a surprise. Historical fact: Akbar wasn't a muslim.

Are you sure Akbar wasnt a muslim? I dont believe in dancing and dhkir either but I truly want to understand the significance of whirling and hadra, especially when they go up and down. Here is something I found on the net about Johda Akbar

Akbar, the Great, he was an emperor of Mughul Empire in 15th century to 16th century in India.
Akbar the Great - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Akbar, widely considered the greatest of the Mughal emperors, was only 13 when he became emperor, due to the death of his father Humayun[3][4] During his reign, he eliminated external military threats from the Afghan descendants of Sher Shah (an Afghan who was able to temporarily oust Humayun from 1540-1555), and at the Second Battle of Panipat defeated the Hindu king Samrat Hem Chander Vikramaditya , also called Hemu.
In addition to his military gains, the emperor solidified his rule by repealing the jizya tax on non-Muslims and courting the favour of the powerful Rajput caste, to the extent of marrying Rajput princesses.

Akbar was only 13 years old when he became emperor, and so his general ruled on his behalf until he came of age. Akbar engaged in a policy of actively encouraging members of the varying religious groups to enter his government, thats why he was called Akbar, the Great- he treated everybody the same, nor less or nor more.

The last few years of Akbar's reign were troubled by the misconduct of his sons. Two of them died in their youth, the victims of intemperance. The third, Salim, later known as Emperor Jahangir, was frequently in rebellion against his father, as some stories go, for his love of a courtesan named Anarkali. Asirgarh, a fort in the Deccan, proved to be the last conquest of Akbar, taken in 1599 as he proceeded north to face his son's rebellion. Reportedly, Akbar keenly felt these calamities, and they may even have affected his health and hastened his death, which occurred in Agra. His body was interred in a magnificent mausoleum at Sikandra, near Agra.

He wanted his sons to show their emergence of power, and whoever won the battle would be the king.

[Jamroll]

His wife (he had thousands, but his main one) was a Hindu princess.

Akbar was officially a Muslim, but he tried to start this new religion, din-e-ilahi, which was sort of a pick-n-mix philosophy, a mish-mash of Islam and Hinduism. I don't think it was very popular though.

[imaan786]

Salika said

How is the song shirk? (I can't understand it)

It's all very interesting to say the least.

Anyways, to answer your question about the dervishes, they are part of the Mevlevi Sufi Order, which was founded by Maulana Rumi. It's not really trance. They do dhikr and sing songs though I don't think this film is a good portrayal of what they do. The hand movements are symbolic and are not random. My understanding of the hand movements though have been that they their hands open seeking Allah's blessings. I don't think it has to do with transferring blessings, I've never heard that but maybe someone who knows more about them could elaborate.

thank you for your response. I actually like the film due to its historical content.

I have been to a coupleof gatherings where they did whirling and the first time I wasnt sure what they doing and someone kind of explained the significance of the hand movements but im not sure I understood very well.

[imaan786]

Jamroll said

His wife (he had thousands, but his main one) was a Hindu princess.

Akbar was officially a Muslim, but he tried to start this new religion, din-e-ilahi, which was sort of a pick-n-mix philosophy, a mish-mash of Islam and Hinduism. I don't think it was very popular though.

thanks jammy,I didnt know he had more than one wife - ifound the following:
Extensive research has gone into the making of this film which begun shooting at Karjat.

The film centers around the romance between the Mughal Emperor Akbar, the founder of Din-i-Ilahi, played by Hrithik Roshan and his Hindu wife, Jodhabai, played by Aishwarya. The music will be composed by acclaimed music composer, 'The Mozart Of Asia' A. R. Rahman. The soundtrack of the movie is to be released on December 18, 2007. This movie is scheduled for release on January 25, 2008.

In reality Akbar's wife was never known as Jodhabai. The use of the name Jodhabi appears to have been a 19th century mistake. Her real name was Hira-kunwari before marriage and after marrige she was known as Mariam-uz-Zamani.

It is unlikely that Akbar ever met her before she was given to him in marriage by her father. Akbar had more than 300 wives, many of them Rajput princesses.Jodhaa Akbar is a sixteenth century love story about a marriage of alliance that gave birth to true love between a great Mughal emperor, Akbar, and a Rajput princess, Jodhaa.

Political success knew no bounds for Emperor Akbar (Hrithik Roshan). After having secured the Hindu Kush, he furthered his realm by conquest until his empire extended from Afghanistan to the Bay of Bengal, and from the Himalayas to the Godavari River. Through a shrewd blend of tolerance, generosity, and force, Akbar won the allegiance of the Rajputs, the most belligerent Hindus. But little did Akbar know that when he married Jodhaa (Aishwarya), a fiery Rajput princess, in order to further strengthen his relations with the Rajputs, he would in turn be embarking upon a new journey – the journey of true love.

The daughter of King Bharmal of Amer, Jodhaa resented being reduced to a mere political pawn in this marriage of alliance, and Akbar’s biggest challenge now did not merely lie in winning battles, but in winning the love of Jodhaa – a love hidden deep below resentment and extreme prejudice. Jodhaa-Akbar is their untold love story.

[Jamroll]

imaan786 said

Through a shrewd blend of tolerance, generosity, and force, Akbar won the allegiance of the Rajputs, the most belligerent Hindus.

Yeah, because Akbar ended the jizya tax. Also, I think there was this tax people had to pay when they went on pilgrimage to their holy sites, and Hindus had a lot of holy sites, so they had to pay this tax quite a bit. He removed this tax aswell.

[imaan786]

Mission of Hazrat Khwaja Garib Nawaz
It is a well known historical fact that in spreading the ethical and spiritual values of Islam, major and effective contributions have been Made by the Walis of ALLAH (saints). It was their humanistic position, and piety which won over the hearts of lacs of people. They made a direct contact with the masses served and loved them, lived with them in the realisation of Eternal Truth. The proof of this is more than evident from the history of growth of Islam in India. Although Islam had penetrated in this subcontinent in the first century of Hijra, but the noble task of inspiring the people to its tenets and values in India was accomplished by Hazrat Khwaja Moinuddin Chishty (R.A.) popularly known as Khwaja Saheb and Khwaja Gharib Nawaz. He did it all through his great moral power, glorious and appealing character, with love and dedication to mankind, without any worldly resources of wealth, power, force and material means.

Khwaja Saheb was a scholar a great repute. He interpreted the true Islamic message of love for mankind and through that, the love for the Almighty creator. He preached the Quranic philosophy of the unity of religion and worked out its potentialities for the whole humanity. He was the greatest mystic of his time. He laid the foundation of the liberal Chishtia order of Sufis in India, and inspired millions of souls to be his followers and thus served the masses of the Indian Sub-continent.

The life and mission of Khwaja Saheb have been of an exceptional character as compared with any other saint in India. His simple teaching penetrated even stony heart, his affectionate look silenced the fiercest of his enemies. His matchless piety and blessings knew no distinction and his "spiritual power", amazed and did defied his bitterest adversaries who came to harm him but were inspire to embrace Islam and become his devotees for rest of the life. He brought the message of universal love and peace. He chose the way of non-compulsion in the true spirit of holy Quran he says : "Let there be no compulsion in religion, will thou compel men to become believers? No soul can believe but by the persuasion of Allah". Khwaja Moinuddin Chishty (R.A.) followed this dictum strictly throughout his mission. It is because of this reason that he is popularly known as ' Gharib Nawaz' which means the one who shows kindness to the poor. This was later reinforced by succeeding Chishtia Sufis, who became religious pioneers in national integration in the country. They fulfilled the objective of bringing together various castes, communities and races, elevating the humanity from the morass of materialistic concerns, which is the bane of mankind even today.