[ameen]

Originally Posted by UmarOMC

If I am not mistaken I believe THIS is more likely the intention behind the quote. I don't think reference was implied as to Qur'an actually quoting and/or referencing ahadith or any particular hadith.

Verse 60:04 also says that there is 'good example' in Prophet Ibrahim, but I don't see you going on about copying his personal lifestyle as another 'Sunnah'? The same Arabic word for 'good example' is used in that Verse to refer to his good adherence to Qur'anic principles, as the Verse goes on to clarify. This is quite far-fetched from the claims made in the book 'Key to the Garden' about following a particular Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad outside the Qur'an.

[ameen]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

You are hopelessly stupid. Insha'Allah keep your moronic brand of kufr to yourself and stop polluting a thread about wisdom with your stupidity.

This thread isn't about 'wisdom', it's about excerpts from a book which makes wild claims about what Allah says in the Qur'an. If pointing out lies about the Qur'an (and about Allah) is 'polluting' the thread, then the thread deserves to be polluted.

[Timbit]

Question: is everything the Prophet did Sunnah?

He had a camel and wore ithmid in his eyes and ate dates... these are all things we should do 'cause he did them? There's spiritual benefit/reward in these things?

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by ameen

This thread isn't about 'wisdom', it's about excerpts from a book which makes wild claims about what Allah says in the Qur'an. If pointing out lies about the Qur'an (and about Allah) is 'polluting' the thread, then the thread deserves to be polluted.

You know what really sucks about you? You're completely stupid and irrational aside from any faith or dogma based perspective. And then on top of that, you lack the class to respect the beliefs of an actual accredited religion with real great works of scholarship, instead referring to them as "lies" and arrogantly preferring your own flimsy and moronic opinions.

[Bluestar]

Accusing each other like this will only get you both banned. If you feel like passionately discussing the significance of sunnah, search, it's your friend.

This is a nice thread, i'd like to keep it that way.

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by Bluestar

Accusing each other like this will only get you both banned. If you feel like passionately discussing the significance of sunnah, search, it's your friend.

This is a nice thread, i'd like to keep it that way.

Your edit made my post make no sense.

[Bluestar]

better? I have to moderate you and fix your grammar

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by Bluestar

better? I have to moderate you and fix your grammar

The sentence was fine as it was written to begin with, in every way.

[ameen]

Originally Posted by Timbit

Question: is everything the Prophet did Sunnah?

He had a camel and wore ithmid in his eyes and ate dates... these are all things we should do 'cause he did them? There's spiritual benefit/reward in these things?

Do you believe the Prophet would tell believers to imitate him in matters of his personal choice and lifestyle? If his favourite colour is green, should your favourite colour be green too? If he liked eating dates as a personal choice, do you have to like eating dates too? Everytime you break your fast in Ramadan, do you always break it by eating a date? If you broke your fast with some other food, does this affect the benefit/reward in your whole day's fast?

[Spice]

Originally Posted by ameen

Do you believe the Prophet would tell believers to imitate him in matters of his personal choice and lifestyle? If his favourite colour is green, should your favourite colour be green too? If he liked eating dates as a personal choice, do you have to like eating dates too? Everytime you break your fast in Ramadan, do you always break it by eating a date? If you broke your fast with some other food, does this affect the benefit/reward in your whole day's fast?

"Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah." (Surat al-Ahzab: 21)

[vanillawafer]

Hi remember when this thread was about posting excerpts from the book? and not about debating issues that have multiple threads dedicated to them already? yea, so do I . My cheeks are hurting from grinning.

I'd really like to keep it clean so it will be easier to read the excerpts. If you'd like to debate something, make a separate thread or discuss in a current thread that already deals with your issues. JazakAllah khair.

[bravotwozero]

Yes, kindly stay on topic. Off topic posts will be edited and/or deleted.

[vanillawafer]

In every generation God has entrusted the defense of His Religion, His Sharia, His Book, and the hadiths of His Messenger to trustworthy imams, who have researched, recorded, elucidated, and transmitted reports from the bearer of Message (may God's blessings and peace be upon him and his family), from his companions, their followers, and the imams of the Muslims, thereby bringing to naught the fraud and distortion of the extremists and mischief-makers.

They studied and researched grammar and the facts of the Sharia. They examined the Prophetic hadiths meticulously, and sifted them with the utmost care. Their sciences and behavior were a lantern of light which irradiated the whole Muslim world and illuminated the path of those who sought to acquire knowledge, practice it, and study the Book of God and the prophetic hadiths. their knowledge furnished devastating proofs against the claims of the distorters and misinterpreters.

Muslims should rely on the explanations and clarifications made by these imams regarding their religion, the practice of their Sharia, and the understanding of its text and rulings. Let Muslims beware of deviant and the false interpretations they propagate among the common people, for they represent nothing but sedition and error. [Key to the Garden]

salam

[vanillawafer]

A further kind of deviation is that committed by certain recent commentators on the Quran, who have imagined themselves to be possessed of knowledge which would allow them to comment on the Quran in a novel way unknown to the commentators of old.

They gave themselves the title of "Renewers" and proceeded the prostration of the sun as its "rotation," the angels and jinn as "forces," and so forth. Their argument was that since they had not observed in the visible world the sun prostrating, the existence of angels or jinn, they are obliged to ignore the evident meaning of the words and interpret them as references to these claims that their minds could accommodate.

They are oblivious to the fact that because something is inaccessible to the senses does not mean that it does not exist. Many things in existence are invisible to the eye and can only be perceived through their effects, such as the spirits, electricity, various forms of energy, and other things which lie behind matter. These people deny the very existence of angels and jinn in the world, and this is the precursor to explicit disbelief. [Key to the Garden]

salam

[vanillawafer]

Know that the duty of enjoining good and forbidding evil must be carried out with wisdom and goodly exhortation. Should it be necessary to enter into a debate with someone, this must be done in the best way possible. This is more likely to lead to acceptance and success; to do otherwise would be erroneous and foolish.

It is the consensus (ijma) of the Nation that it is forbidden to accuse anyone of disbelief who recognizes the Qibla, unless he denies God, commits blatant idolatry not open to interpretation, denies Prophecy, rejects whatever else is known to be an indispensable part of religion, or something which has been handed down by many chains of transmission (tawatur) or indispensable knowledge that has been confirmed by the consensus of the Nation.

Anyone who rejects something which is known to be an indispensable part of religion, such as Tawhid, Prophecy, Muhammad's status as "Seal of the Messengers (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him), the Resurrection on the last Day, the judgment, reward and punishment, or the Garden and the Fire, is a disbeliever. No Muslim may claim ignorance as his excuse for this, unless he has only recently entered Islam, in which case he is excusable until he learns about them. [Key to the Garden]

salam