[MossadConspiracy]

infectious diseases
poverty
delays in economic and political development

[IbnMardhiyah]

Originally Posted by Variable

I'm still not seeing how agriculture fits into that.

Possibly because you're not looking at the essence of his words, or at the bigger picture. Possibly because you're a non-Muslim. I don't know how these things seem to you because I've been Muslim all my life. Perhaps you're not seeing it because you're missing out on a lot of supporting and nuanced details that come from other sources in Islam and these supporting details are part and parcel of our lives.

Islam stresses balance in everything. It doesn't say that this world is absolute evil and you should totally renounce it and live like monks do, or like some guru at the top of a mountain. And of course it doesn't advise for anyone to be the polar opposite of all that, either.

If Muslims upset or abandon that balance that Islam provides [and in many cases stipulates] then there will be disarray followed by chaos. So if you involve yourself in the pursuit of material wealth for the wrong reasons, you're abandoning that balance.

Agriculture was given as a chief example because it was [and still is] something that men would pursue for the sake of material wealth whilst forgetting about maintaining a greater balance. As a further example of that, there as a time when some people in Madinah balked at having to send out their men on a military expedition because it was harvest time. Instead of being concerned with responding to physical aggression from external entities, these men were more concerned about the money they might potentially lose from a slow harvest.

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

It's supposed to be how many angels can fit on the head of a pin, not a pen. I don't know why AK wrote pen, I assume its a typo.

I know what it's supposed to be, I replied as if he has written PIN, also assuming it was a typo.

Originally Posted by Blue Pheonix

In other words, the Ummah's three biggest problems are Muslims, more Muslims, and just a few more Muslims.

Yeah, that's kinda what I got out of it too

[Variable]

Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

Possibly because you're not looking at the essence of his words, or at the bigger picture. Possibly because you're a non-Muslim. I don't know how these things seem to you because I've been Muslim all my life. Perhaps you're not seeing it because you're missing out on a lot of supporting and nuanced details that come from other sources in Islam and these supporting details are part and parcel of our lives.

Islam stresses balance in everything. It doesn't say that this world is absolute evil and you should totally renounce it and live like monks do, or like some guru at the top of a mountain. And of course it doesn't advise for anyone to be the polar opposite of all that, either.

If Muslims upset or abandon that balance that Islam provides [and in many cases stipulates] then there will be disarray followed by chaos. So if you involve yourself in the pursuit of material wealth for the wrong reasons, you're abandoning that balance.

Agriculture was given as a chief example because it was [and still is] something that men would pursue for the sake of material wealth whilst forgetting about maintaining a greater balance. As a further example of that, there as a time when some people in Madinah balked at having to send out their men on a military expedition because it was harvest time. Instead of being concerned with responding to physical aggression from external entities, these men were more concerned about the money they might potentially lose from a slow harvest.

It just seems random... agriculture is the basis for civilization, like you can't have a civilization without it. People will starve if the crops aren't brought in. And armies they say, march on their stomachs.

[IbnMardhiyah]

Originally Posted by Variable

It just seems random... agriculture is the basis for civilization, like you can't have a civilization without it. People will starve if the crops aren't brought in. And armies they say, march on their stomachs.

No one grows food merely and only for consumption by their own city or even their own nation. They also grow it for export and use in a wide variety of other secondary and tertiary, non-vital industries.

Anyways ... as expected, I didn't expect you to understand the essence.

[Nazfreak]

Originally Posted by Abdul_Karim

PROBLEM #1: The Salafis
PROBLEM #2: The Ash'aris
PROBLEM #3: The Sufis

Scapegoating much?

[Abu_Hind]

At the root of Ummah's problems is the attitude of individual muslims regarding several issues that need a change:

a) Lack of love for Rasulullah, which is at the heart of the deen.

b) Lack of wara' in deen.

c) Lack of faith in aakhirah.

[Jaysh]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

infectious diseases
poverty
delays in economic and political development

Word.

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[Variable]

Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

No one grows food merely and only for consumption by their own city or even their own nation. They also grow it for export and use in a wide variety of other secondary and tertiary, non-vital industries.

Anyways ... as expected, I didn't expect you to understand the essence.

No I get it... it just seems odd to bring agriculture into it. Especially when there are so many other enterprises that epitomize selfish profits for liesure pursuits etc.

(and farmers tend to try and maximize their yields and profits yeh.. you don't typically seem to have a problem with this line of thought)

[Aryan_]

Originally Posted by Blue_Phoenix

In other words, the Ummah's three biggest problems are Muslims, more Muslims, and just a few more Muslims.

Time for a cull.

[Jaysh]

Good Ol Jr will post as follows:

Ummah's three greatest problems:

1. Men don't know how to fight.
2. They have no appreciation or respect for MMA / UFC.
3. They are pansies, that the kufaar like De Silva (?) could beat up.

It's all about the End of Times, when Imam Mehdi will come down and it will be one big mega UFC bout to the death between the Muslims and the kufaar!!

[m_ali_qazi]

the ummah doesnt have any problems that any other groups of humans doesnt have

except, much much less

yay for the deen that puts a priority on patience, gratitude, charity, selflessness, cool headedness, bashfulness and doing the genuine good

[Aryan_]

Originally Posted by Jaysh

Good Ol Jr will post as follows:

Ummah's three greatest problems:

1. Men don't know how to fight.
2. They have no appreciation or respect for MMA / UFC.
3. They are pansies, that the kufaar like De Silva (?) could beat up.

It's all about the End of Times, when Imam Mehdi will come down and it will be one big mega UFC bout to the death between the Muslims and the kufaar!!

You forgot the part about how Mexicans had larger penises than black pygmies.

[IbnMardhiyah]

Originally Posted by Variable

No I get it... it just seems odd to bring agriculture into it. Especially when there are so many other enterprises that epitomize selfish profits for liesure pursuits etc.

(and farmers tend to try and maximize their yields and profits yeh.. you don't typically seem to have a problem with this line of thought)

Okay, consider the following:

What universally common, large-scale commercial pursuits existed 1400 years ago that also exist now?

[Variable]

Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

Okay, consider the following:

What universally common, large-scale commercial pursuits existed 1400 years ago that also exist now?