[Jaysh]

Jesus (peace be upon him) is reported to have said:

"The most important of commandments is, 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one!'"

(Mark 12:29)

[Blue_Phoenix]

Thank you, great knowledgable religious scholar Obviousman!

[ChotooMotoo]

That would indeed be the first of the ten commandments.

[Jamroll]

Christians don't believe in that bit. They only believe in the Trinity. Not the J-Trinity, but the Father, Son, Holy Ghost trinity.

[Variable]

Originally Posted by Jamroll

Christians don't believe in that bit. They only believe in the Trinity. Not the J-Trinity, but the Father, Son, Holy Ghost trinity.

They believe those are three parts of one thing.

[Jamroll]

Originally Posted by Variable

They believe those are three parts of one thing.

Okay, try and explain it.

[Variable]

Originally Posted by Jamroll

Okay, try and explain it.

There's really no point. I've tried before, and nobody here is going to say they get it even if they do.

I don't even believe in it, and I get it fine... it's not like it's some difficult concept.

[Jamroll]

Originally Posted by Variable

There's really no point. I've tried before, and nobody here is going to say they get it even if they do.

I don't even believe in it, and I get it fine... it's not like it's some difficult concept.

If it's not a difficult concept how come none of us will get it? Surely not all of us are too stupid to get it.

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by Jamroll

If it's not a difficult concept how come none of us will get it? Surely not all of us are too stupid to get it.

It's not about being stupid. It's a different way of thinking than what we've been brought up to. I was never raised to believe in the Trinity, so I don't get it either. However, my friends who were, even the ones who converted to Islam, understand it, and don't think that Christians are really polytheists.

[Jamroll]

The truth is that it is very complicated and there's been pages and pages of debate and discussion by Christian theologians on the concept of Trinity and how best to explain it. This is not a problem for Christians because they accept it on faith, but they can't explain it to anyone without getting confused or going round in circles.

[Variable]

Originally Posted by Jamroll

If it's not a difficult concept how come none of us will get it? Surely not all of us are too stupid to get it.

I don't think Islamicans 'don't get it' because they're stupid... but instead because it's almost incumbent on them not to get it. Islam says the idea is non-sensical, case closed. Whether you get it or not.

My world view make any sort of prohibition on that, and I have no trouble with the concept.

And the debates surrounding the Trinity for centuries didn't happen because it's a difficult concept to wrap one's head around. It's because sometimes religious people like to argue over minutiae.

[jinnzaman]

The Trinity has its own internal logic since it posits in an omnitpotent, personal God. The notion that God cannot comingle with His creation or to divide into parts is construed as a limit on his omnipotency.

This is why the question "Can God create a rock that He couldn't lift" is problematic for Christianity, but not Islam since we don't view omnipotency in this manner and we reject the question as being semantically flawed.

[Jaysh]

Originally Posted by Variable

I don't think Islamicans 'don't get it' because they're stupid... but instead because it's almost incumbent on them not to get it. Islam says the idea is non-sensical, case closed. Whether you get it or not.

The dog Variable barks again. Nothing new.

Stop being stupid. It's not only Muslims or Islamicans who "don't get it". Rather, MANY Christians don't get it either, and THOUSANDS of Christians convert to Islam for this reason, namely that they "don't get it". And the reason they don't get it is because it doesn't make sense.

We should stop pandering to this stupid dog Variable who spouts out absolute nonsense.

Here, I will prove that many Christians don't get it.

"In this chapter, you explore who Christians believe God is and what he's like. Christianity says that God is a Trinity--one God expressed in three beings. That's kind of confusing...Although the issue is a mind bender, Christians have practical reasons for why the Trinity is fundamental to their faith."

(Richard Wagner [Christian speaker], Christianity for Dummies, p. 123-131)

"Although a debated issue during Christianity's early history, the prevailing view became that God exists in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. According to this doctrine, which is called the Trinity, these are not three gods, but one God revealing Himself in three persons. Sound confusing? Don't worry, you're not alone. Even those who first formulated the doctrine of the Trinity called it a 'mystery.'"

(Jeffrey Geoghegan, PhD [Assistant Prof. of Biblical Theology]; Michael Homan, PhD [Assistant Prof. of Biblical Studies], The Bible For Dummies, p.258)

In fact, so many Christians are "confused" about this topic, that Christians run many websites and seminars trying to "un-confuse" said Christians.

Go study the history of the Trinity and you will find how difficult it was for the early followers of Jesus [as] to accept this nonsensical position.

Regardless of how much Variable barks, the truth is that thousands of people will continue to convert to Islam because they can't understand the concept of Trinity. He can continue his barking.

[jinnzaman]

Calling Variable a stupid dog is bigotry, Jaysh.

[Jaysh]

Originally Posted by jinnzaman

Calling Variable a stupid dog is bigotry, Jaysh.

Then it's one bigot saying something to another bigot.