[Abu_Hind]

Originally Posted by Jaysh

Brother that is not my question. I understand that the term was not used back then, just like the term "Salafi" was not used back then.

I am asking them who they attribute themselves to. Who from amongst the Sahabah were most "Soofi-istic" to them?

Oh ok. Yeh I guess a sufi can answer this.

[Salika]

Originally Posted by Jaysh

Brother that is not my question. I understand that the term was not used back then, just like the term "Salafi" was not used back then.

I am asking them who they attribute themselves to. Who from amongst the Sahabah were most "Soofi-istic" to them?

The isnad of the tariqas often go back to Ali and I think Abu Bakr as well.

But all of the sahaba are "soofi-stic" to Sufis as they embodied the practices, spiritual states, and character that Sufis seek.

[Salika]

Originally Posted by TrentReznor858

No What does any of this have to do with being spiritually high? As in euphoric effects?

I don't think people are talking about euphoric states when they talk about spiritual high just because of the context. Those euphoric states do exist and the Sufis refer to them as fana' (self annihiliation) and baqa' (the perpetuation of fana' basically) but this takes hard work from the Sufi. You have to keep up with the dhikrs that your shaykh gives you, obey the Shari'a, do sunnahs, rid yourself of vices, and just try to embody Islam in your heart and soul. This takes work and does not happen just by visiting Medina. Hope that clarifies it a bit more?

[rahma]

Originally Posted by Jaysh

I have a question for the Soofis and their sympathizers: who from amongst the Sahabah do you attribute to Soofiyya?

Most tariqas trace their line back to the Prophet (saws) through Ali (ra), except the Naqshabandis, who trace theirs through Abu Bakr (ra).

[rahma]

Originally Posted by Salika

But all of the sahaba are "soofi-stic" to Sufis as they embodied the practices, spiritual states, and character that Sufis seek.

Exactly. Those who practice tasawwuf are seeking to capture the spiritual states that were inherent at the time of the Prophet (saws) among his companions, but which were dwindling out as the muslim ummah expanded.

[zzze]

assalamu alaykum

Sufis claim they're spiritual? I know ''sufis'' who believe they're undeserving of the term as it's associated with purity and true closeness to God, and yet they're the kindnest most humble seekers masha Allah.

A characteristic that I've seen attract people to a 'sufi' is his/her tendency to apply the strictest ruling for themselves and the most leniant for others (and their gentleness ) 'Salafis' don't tend to do this.

[ibnIslam]

Originally Posted by zzze

assalamu alaykum

Sufis claim they're spiritual? I know ''sufis'' who believe they're undeserving of the term as it's associated with purity and true closeness to God, and yet they're the kindnest most humble seekers masha Allah.

A characteristic that I've seen attract people to a 'sufi' is his/her tendency to apply the strictest ruling for themselves and the most leniant for others (and their gentleness ) 'Salafis' don't tend to do this.

Whenever Rasoolullah(S) had a choice between two halaal options, he would choose the easiest, and he is supposed to be the master of "tasawwuf".

Question: He used to pray so much as night his feet would crack. So he chooses the ease for himself, and yet he works so hard in ebaadah? How do we understand this

Answer: If one aims for Ishan and goes through hardship as a side effect, then that is not a problem. But if one makes things hard on himself on purpose, that is a misguidance.

It also known what happened to those three men who made things hard on themselves. One vowed not to sleep, one vowed not to enjoy the pleasure of women, and one vowed never to eat in the day. Rasoolullah(S) castigated them and said "Whoever turns away from my example is not from me". This demonstrates that the Deen is ease not hardship, but only those Allah favors can understand this. The end result of those who were overly strict on themselves in the name of self-rectification was they later became from the khawaarij (a sect that split off from the Ummah, make takfeer of the Muslims and rebelled against the leaders).

There is a strictness when it comes to avoiding doubtful matters, but the other "strictness" is in imposing certain kinds of behaviors or standards that Rasoolullah(S) and the Sahaabah did not impose on themselves. It is not necessary to consider yourself lower than a dog, or to wear the same fabric/color every day of the year to attain purity. In fact, that might even be counter-productive to your goal, as tazkiyah doesn't mean to kill your nafs (which can never happen, by the way). It means both to clean and to GROW your nafs. Your nafs becomes bigger, not smaller when you purify it properly.

Strictest is not always better, because those who aim for hardship itself wind up misguided and suffer the same fate as the three 3 men mentioned above. And we see this in the form of groups who separate themselves and give themselves distinctive centers, style of clothing, titles, chains of narration, etc.

Ma'assalaam

[Unity]

Originally Posted by Jaysh

Brother that is not my question. I understand that the term was not used back then, just like the term "Salafi" was not used back then.

I am asking them who they attribute themselves to. Who from amongst the Sahabah were most "Soofi-istic" to them?

They were all Sufis...and Salafis...and....i can keep going, i hope you got the idea.
They were Muslims, terms like Sufi and Salafi did not come until much later. Like you said, you aren't concerned with the words so just think of it this way...because there were no divisions in Islam they were all "everything." Lets talk about one practice that the sahabah did and sufis and many other muslims still do today. It's called muraqba. It's deep contemplation of Allah or the word of Allah. Other forms of muraqba also exist that have different effects on people. There is one muraqba that seeks to rid of the nafs by making one more aware of his/her mortality. This is not shirk because i (and any other "sufi") am not comparing anyone to Allah and i take to heart the shahadah.
Salaams
P.S. if you guys have questions just message me cuz i hate to go thru all of the posts

[MuslimZ]

the true sufi will rarely be inclined to refer to herself as such.

[Jaysh]

Originally Posted by Salika

The isnad of the tariqas often go back to Ali and I think Abu Bakr as well.

Bull crap. Complete bull crap.

How come you Soofis can't decide who it traces back to? Some of you say Ali [ra] and others say Abu Bakr [ra]? and Others say that they originate from the group of Sahabah who had no place to stay, clothes to wear, or food to eat, so they used to live in the Prophet's mosque, i.e. Ahl as-Suffa.

Why can't you guys make up your minds? Which is it?!

[Salika]

Originally Posted by Jaysh

Bull crap. Complete bull crap.

How come you Soofis can't decide who it traces back to? Some of you say Ali [ra] and others say Abu Bakr [ra]? and Others say that they originate from the group of Sahabah who had no place to stay, clothes to wear, or food to eat, so they used to live in the Prophet's mosque, i.e. Ahl as-Suffa.

Why can't you guys make up your minds? Which is it?!

Um, relax please.

First off, I am not a "Soofi" and secondly, it's the tariqas that have isnad, not tasawwuf. Just like the Hanafi madhhab traces back to Imam Abu Hanafi and his teachers, Shafi madhhab traces back to the Imam Shafi and his teachers, etc... We don't say fiqh originates from x source, but rather the schools.

And that theory of ahlul suffa is about how the term tassawuf came about (as they have the same root word "soof"), not the concept itself.

Anyways, you just did a good job at exemplifying both your ignorance and your lacking desire to understand rather than argue, so there is no need to discuss this with you any further.

[Jaysh]

You Sooooofeee..

[Unity]

Originally Posted by MuslimZ

the true sufi will rarely be inclined to refer to herself as such.

but sometimes when you personalize something it has a greater
effect on people.

[Rambo]

the majority of salafis i have met dont seem to be following the proper etiquettes. They are very loud, rude, and disrespectful, this is their triat. ofcourse i am not saying all are like that but this seems to be their general trait and this is a huge turn off for me and many other people i know.

[jinnzaman]

at-Talib: Tasawwuf 101