[Hanbali]

Pakistan needs some quality control. Pakistan should adopt the model that Saudi Arabia uses.

[MuslimahDaTurkish]

Originally Posted by Jamroll

I understand that, bro. I think it's admirable that educated Turks are coming to Pakistan to help educate their fellow Muslim brothers and sisters. I'm just wondering if these schools have taken into account there is quite a different culture in the two countries, and whether they've applied this in the way they approach their curriculum.

I think there needs to be an appreciation of these differences and similarities, and an appropriate application of schools in light of these, rather than just importing Turkish ideas, that work in a Turkish context straight into Pakistan.

Dont worry theyre not trying to import Turkish ideas, they just want to be the bridge of peace, between Turks and others. I think u've never been together with them. ?
Last year, 10 american boys and girls ,who were Oklahoma Turkish high school's students, came to Turkey and we hosted them at our house for an evening. We prepared a great dinner, a beautiful garden. They were not muslims, but enjoyed our company very much. They were trying to learn Turkish and it was cute..This is the way to the result of these schools, sincerity. When those kids grow up they will know that muslims are not terrorists, and this will bring peace simply.
Why do non-Turks send their children to those schools ? One christian mom said: "it is simple, i trust them. my kid has become respectful to me and i know the teachers are very hardworking."

That article is directly talking about the differences(?) between Pakis and Turks but i know Pakis who live in the west, are not different than Turks. Turks who live in the villages are not different than Pakis of pakistan.
The moral is: really the turkish teachers are leaving their families here and move there for educating your kids. This is a great sacrification, a jihad. My cousin went to Afghanistan with her husband, and teaching there in a Turkish school. I could never do that. may Allah be with them

[SoSoHalalish]

Originally Posted by Revert

I didn't read past the flags being painted on the entrance of the masjid...totally disgusting IMO.

A Masjid should be free of politics and a place of sojood. I'll read the article insha'Allah.

How come I never see things like that when I go to Pakistan? (True, some mosques in Pakistan are WEIRD and they won't let women in for some reason) but the ones I've been in are pretty normal (aka, no random flags on the floor for you to step on). And I agree with whoever made the comment about Pakistanis being dressed in western clothing- thats quite common as well. You see men in the mosques praying in jeans and a t-shirt. Just because this guy ran into some kabootar, doesn't mean that the majority of the population holds the same view. But thats what this article makes it seem like.

I dislike the slant of this article. Its painting the same picture again- of this intolerant country with a bunch of fundos running around. Sorry, I don't see it. I see a country made up of mostly laid back, friendly people, who are more concerned with living their own lives then promoting "extremism".

[Revert]

Originally Posted by SoSoHalalish

How come I never see things like that when I go to Pakistan? (True, some mosques in Pakistan are WEIRD and they won't let women in for some reason) but the ones I've been in are pretty normal (aka, no random flags on the floor for you to step on). And I agree with whoever made the comment about Pakistanis being dressed in western clothing- thats quite common as well. You see men in the mosques praying in jeans and a t-shirt. Just because this guy ran into some kabootar, doesn't mean that the majority of the population holds the same view. But thats what this article makes it seem like.

I dislike the slant of this article. Its painting the same picture again- of this intolerant country with a bunch of fundos running around. Sorry, I don't see it. I see a country made up of mostly laid back, friendly people, who are more concerned with living their own lives then promoting "extremism".

I wans't commenting on the general people, i was commenting the masjid itself, sorry if I gave the impression I was making the statement against Pakistanis in general.

The Masjid I used to go to in FL had a bunch of Anti Israel propaganda stuff on the welcome table once, my friend Sayyid and I spoke to the Shaykh and he agreed it was in bad taste and had it removed. Even in the West there are backward Muslims.

Gulens schools are evrywhere (even in Japan i beleive), I doubt the intentions of the Schools are to "educate the backward Muslims", but too offer facilities that may not be in that area.

There are many good Madrassahs and Schools in Pakland m'A, Gulens school may be in an area wher ethere is nothing at all.

[IbnMardhiyah]

Originally Posted by SoSoHalalish

Just because this guy ran into some kabootar...

hahahahahaaa

[TrentReznor858]

Originally Posted by SoSoHalalish

I dislike the slant of this article. Its painting the same picture again- of this intolerant country with a bunch of fundos running around. Sorry, I don't see it. I see a country made up of mostly laid back, friendly people, who are more concerned with living their own lives then promoting "extremism".

I only lived there for a year, but i can sat from my limited experience that is NOT true, at all. They are interested in EVERYONE elses lives, not their own. It doesnt matter what they do, but other people have to appear to be pious muslims. btw i lived in a nice area of islamabad, and traveled to lahore, rawlpindi, peshawar, etc.

[SoSoHalalish]

Originally Posted by TrentReznor858

I only lived there for a year, but i can sat from my limited experience that is NOT true, at all. They are interested in EVERYONE elses lives, not their own. It doesnt matter what they do, but other people have to appear to be pious muslims. btw i lived in a nice area of islamabad, and traveled to lahore, rawlpindi, peshawar, etc.

Never lived there, only go there for 3 month long vacations every other year, Lahore, Islamabad, and Rawalpindi, since I was a baby.

And I disagree with you. Never once did I have a conversation with someone who wanted to force their religious convictions on someone else. And I've conversed with them all, the upper class, middle class, lower middle class, and the poor. So from Paris Hilton wanna bes- who hasn't bothered praying namaaz in 5 years- to the women who come wash the floors- people are NOT fundo extremists. I've had molvi saabs who asked how practicing I was, and I've had "dars" aunties give me a lecture, but I've never run into some taliban style /red mosque people who tell me I'm kufar for x & y reason. I've even had these conversations with the native people of the north west frontier area- again, they just wanted to know about the U.S., about makeup, about how much money you can make, etc.

Quite honestly- the "nicer" parts of Islamabad, Lahore, wherever, often have people who are less concerned with Islam, as a whole.

What you're talking about (or what I believe you're talking about) is people who are nosy, gossipers, who are hating. But that has nothing to do with being Pakistani- thats everybody, everywhere. Thats hypocrisy.

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by Jamroll

Interesting concept.

I'm curious though as to why Turks chose Pakistan to set their schools up in.

salam

bro, turkey has schools all over the world. I dont know if the turkish government is involved in funding and promoting them (my bet would be that they are), or whether its just entrepreneuring turkish educators doing it on their own.

Like i said, my nephew is going to be starting at a turkish school in the fall, and he lives in the middle of the USA.

Alot of countries have schools for their expats and anyone else who is interested in attending. Like all the American schools, German and French schools, Saudi religious schools, etc. Its a nice way to promote your country

ws

[MuslimahDaTurkish]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

salam

bro, turkey has schools all over the world. I dont know if the turkish government is involved in funding and promoting them (my bet would be that they are), or whether its just entrepreneuring turkish educators doing it on their own.

ws

Turkish government isnt promoting them, Turkish muslim business men are doing it. Gulen- the founder of the schools- cant enter Turkey even because once he gets in, he will be arrested

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by MuslimahDaTurkish

Turkish government isnt promoting them, Turkish muslim business men are doing it. Gulen- the founder of the schools- cant enter Turkey even because once he gets in, he will be arrested

salam

i see. but i think there are alot of turkish schools, not just the Gulen ones. For example, the one i know was set up by some turks within an existing system of private schools, and its totally non-religious. Anyway, it was just an observation, I really dont know whether Turkey promotes international schools or not... if they dont, they should!

Its interesting that the Turkish military wont let that guy in

ws

[Revert]

Originally Posted by MuslimahDaTurkish

Turkish government isnt promoting them, Turkish muslim business men are doing it. Gulen- the founder of the schools- cant enter Turkey even because once he gets in, he will be arrested

Why? He was aquitted of all charges in 2006. He stays in the USA because of his escalating health problems.

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

salam

i see. but i think there are alot of turkish schools, not just the Gulen ones. For example, the one i know was set up by some turks within an existing system of private schools, and its totally non-religious. Anyway, it was just an observation, I really dont know whether Turkey promotes international schools or not... if they dont, they should!

Its interesting that the Turkish military wont let that guy in

ws

He was charged for trying to overthrow the government.

[Aryan_]

What's political about a national flag?

[MuslimahDaTurkish]

Originally Posted by Revert

Why? He was aquitted of all charges in 2006. He stays in the USA because of his escalating health problems.

his health problem is not the reason, we have doctors here too.. he knows there will be riots once he comes here. and he is still being blamed, whatevers written on the paper.

[Revert]

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