[Rambo]

it says in the quran that we are the best of nations, however if you look around today are we really the best of nations? I mean in almost every thing we are backwards, also even the level of deen in most muslims is so low

[SaidAbdullahofDarfur]

Originally Posted by Rambo

it says in the quran that we are the best of nations, however if you look around today are we really the best of nations? I mean in almost every thing we are backwards, also even the level of deen in most muslims is so low

Backwards? Elaborate.

[Good_ol_JR]

Well technically there is no nation because an Islamic State does not exists, our backwardness has caused us to become a people w/ no nation. Also the Prophet SAW did indicate that in the end of times Ar- Rum (Western Christians) would be the most powerful nation:

The Romans and the Hour


- Shaykh Saalih Aal ash-Shaykh


Reference:
Legislated Regulations for the Muslims During Trials and Tribulations - Page 16


Category:
Contemporary Issues





It has been authentically reported in Saheeh Muslim on the authority of al Layth ibn Saʼd that Musa ibn `Ulay said, that his father said that Al Mustawird al Qurashee said, while in the presence of `Amr ibn al `Aass: I heard the Messenger of Allaah, may the Salaat and Salaam be upon him, say:

"The hour will be established when the Romans are the most numerous of people."


`Umar ibn al `Aas said to him: "Look at what you are saying!"


Al Mustawrid replied: "And why shouldnʼt I say what the Messenger of Allaah said."
Upon that, `Amr replied: "If it is as you say, it is because the Romans have four characteristics:

The First: They are a people with the most forbearance during Fitan.

The Second: The are the quickest of people to revive after a calamity."


He went on the mention another two characteristics and added a fifth.[1]


The people of knowledge commented that `Amr ibn al `Aas did not intend to praise the Romans, Christians and disbelievers by his statement, no. He wanted to clarify to the Muslims that the reason behind Romans remaining until the establishment of the Hour and the fact that they would be the most of people, is because when a calamity befalls them they are the most forbearing of people. They have enough forbearance to enable them to look into affairs and rectify them in order to avoid destruction and avoid the destruction of their allies. This is the summary of what Al Ubbee and as Sanoosee said in their explanation to Saheeh Muslim[2].


This is a pleasant indication, because the Prophet stated that the hour will not be established until Romans are the most numerous of people. Why?
`Amr ibn al `Aas said: "Because they have four attributes: the first, (and this is the one that concerns us) is that they are the most forbearing of people at times of Fitnah."
Meaning that when times change, or when Fitan arise, they are forbearing, they are not hasty, they do not anger, so that they can deliver themselves and their allies from Fitan. They know that if Fitan arise, they would reach them, and because of this characteristic, they would remain the most numerous of people until the hour is established.

This is why I am amazed at why we do not act upon this characteristic that that `Amr ibn al `Aass praised the Romans for having, while we are more rightful in practicing every good.

Footnotes
[1] The remainder of the Hadeeth: "...They are the most likely of people to return after escaping. They are the kindest of people to their poor, their weak and their orphaned, and a beautiful fifth characteristic; they are the furthest of people from oppressing their kings." Muslim
[Note: In another narration: "...the most informed of people during Fitnah..." which an Nawawee explained to mean that they are the most informed about the ways of rectifying and emerging from Fitnah.]
[2] Al Ubbee stated in explanation of this Hadeeth: "The truthfulness of this Hadeeth has come to pass, for they are indeed the most numerous of people with the exception of Jooj and Ma-jooj. They have populated the areas between Syria all the way to the end of Spain [i.e all of west Europe], and the religion of Christianity has expanded more than any other nation has ever expanded [Note: With the exception of Islam as is evident in these times].
These praiseworthy characteristics that `Amr ibn al `Aass described them with, it maybe that the Romans were adorned by them during his time when he interacted with them, as for today, they have the filthiest of characteristics which are in contradiction to his description... [Note: Al Ubbee lived during the 9th Islaamic century coinciding with the 16th Gregorian century, his comments are according to their state at his time, Shaykh Saaleh aal ash Shaykhʼs comments are in light of the present day].


Translator:
Nadir Ahmad, Abu Abdul-Waahid


Date Published:


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Adeel Hasan

Through my eyes

It makes perfect sense, as much as we may dislike the West because of their histroy of colonialism and oppression, the fact of the matter is right now they're simply more qualifed to be the top dogs than we are. They're more rational, organized, and disciplined unlike Muslims of today who are emotional, unorganized, undisciplined, and in many cases uneducated. You know the stereotype about how Muslims are always late to every class/meeting, you know why?

[iceonfire]

idk i can relate 2 you

i know were ur commin from

[Rambo]

Originally Posted by Good_ol_JR

Well technically there is no nation because an Islamic State does not exists, our backwardness has caused us to become a people w/ no nation. Also the Prophet SAW did indicate that in the end of times Ar- Rum (Western Christians) would be the most powerful nation:

The Romans and the Hour


- Shaykh Saalih Aal ash-Shaykh


Reference:
Legislated Regulations for the Muslims During Trials and Tribulations - Page 16


Category:
Contemporary Issues





It has been authentically reported in Saheeh Muslim on the authority of al Layth ibn Saʼd that Musa ibn `Ulay said, that his father said that Al Mustawird al Qurashee said, while in the presence of `Amr ibn al `Aass: I heard the Messenger of Allaah, may the Salaat and Salaam be upon him, say:

"The hour will be established when the Romans are the most numerous of people."


`Umar ibn al `Aas said to him: "Look at what you are saying!"


Al Mustawrid replied: "And why shouldnʼt I say what the Messenger of Allaah said."
Upon that, `Amr replied: "If it is as you say, it is because the Romans have four characteristics:

The First: They are a people with the most forbearance during Fitan.

The Second: The are the quickest of people to revive after a calamity."


He went on the mention another two characteristics and added a fifth.[1]


The people of knowledge commented that `Amr ibn al `Aas did not intend to praise the Romans, Christians and disbelievers by his statement, no. He wanted to clarify to the Muslims that the reason behind Romans remaining until the establishment of the Hour and the fact that they would be the most of people, is because when a calamity befalls them they are the most forbearing of people. They have enough forbearance to enable them to look into affairs and rectify them in order to avoid destruction and avoid the destruction of their allies. This is the summary of what Al Ubbee and as Sanoosee said in their explanation to Saheeh Muslim[2].


This is a pleasant indication, because the Prophet stated that the hour will not be established until Romans are the most numerous of people. Why?
`Amr ibn al `Aas said: "Because they have four attributes: the first, (and this is the one that concerns us) is that they are the most forbearing of people at times of Fitnah."
Meaning that when times change, or when Fitan arise, they are forbearing, they are not hasty, they do not anger, so that they can deliver themselves and their allies from Fitan. They know that if Fitan arise, they would reach them, and because of this characteristic, they would remain the most numerous of people until the hour is established.

This is why I am amazed at why we do not act upon this characteristic that that `Amr ibn al `Aass praised the Romans for having, while we are more rightful in practicing every good.

Footnotes
[1] The remainder of the Hadeeth: "...They are the most likely of people to return after escaping. They are the kindest of people to their poor, their weak and their orphaned, and a beautiful fifth characteristic; they are the furthest of people from oppressing their kings." Muslim
[Note: In another narration: "...the most informed of people during Fitnah..." which an Nawawee explained to mean that they are the most informed about the ways of rectifying and emerging from Fitnah.]
[2] Al Ubbee stated in explanation of this Hadeeth: "The truthfulness of this Hadeeth has come to pass, for they are indeed the most numerous of people with the exception of Jooj and Ma-jooj. They have populated the areas between Syria all the way to the end of Spain [i.e all of west Europe], and the religion of Christianity has expanded more than any other nation has ever expanded [Note: With the exception of Islam as is evident in these times].
These praiseworthy characteristics that `Amr ibn al `Aass described them with, it maybe that the Romans were adorned by them during his time when he interacted with them, as for today, they have the filthiest of characteristics which are in contradiction to his description... [Note: Al Ubbee lived during the 9th Islaamic century coinciding with the 16th Gregorian century, his comments are according to their state at his time, Shaykh Saaleh aal ash Shaykhʼs comments are in light of the present day].


Translator:
Nadir Ahmad, Abu Abdul-Waahid


Date Published:


Saturday, 16 June 2007

Date Printed:




Tuesday, 26 June 2007 at 10:03:52

Printed From:




madeenah.com :: The Romans and the Hour



Adeel Hasan

Through my eyes

It makes perfect sense, as much as we may dislike the West because of their histroy of colonialism and oppression, the fact of the matter is right now they're simply more qualifed to be the top dogs than we are. They're more rational, organized, and disciplined unlike Muslims of today who are emotional, unorganized, undisciplined, and in many cases uneducated. You know the stereotype about how Muslims are always late to every class/meeting, you know why?

wow this is so amazing and indeed so true

[Raeesa]

v v true.. i went to a talk a few weeks ago and the sheikh said something very enlightening.

We all know about the story of Taif and how the people of Taif chased the prophet (peace be upon him) out, and threw stones at him until he was bleeding. And when Allah gave permission to the angels to destroy the people of Taif by crushing together the two mountains on either side, the prophet declined it. And then the Sheikh read the arabic of wat the prophet said and he said "oh Allah i complain to u..." but he wasn't complaining to Allah because of the people and their ignorance but he complained to Allah of "His weakness's which prevent the ppl from accepting Islam".

Can u imagine, the prophet complaining to Allah of his own weakness wen we are measly disobedient servants never even think of how much we have to change ourselves... i guess my point is that is where it begins, we need to start with ourselves each and everyone of us and inshallah times will change...

[Rambo]

but one thing i dont understand, during the middle ages the Europeans were down for 800 years and muslims were the rulers of the world

[psychoteddybear]

Originally Posted by Rambo

it says in the quran that we are the best of nations, however if you look around today are we really the best of nations? I mean in almost every thing we are backwards, also even the level of deen in most muslims is so low

Definitely not.

[Good_ol_JR]

Originally Posted by Rambo

but one thing i dont understand, during the middle ages the Europeans were down for 800 years and muslims were the rulers of the world

Well the narration was referring to the distant future closer to the Hour, so it relates more to us than it ever did to the people of the past

[AmroodWaala]

the poet, Allama Iqbal wrote:




Many idols are still concealed
In the sleeves of the Faithful Fold

I am ordained by Mighty God
To raise the call and be much bold ("No God But Allah").

We shouldn't confuse ideologies with realities. This is a book in which there is no doubt. Faults amongst us are many and may continue to exist but we'll be questioned individually for our part on DOJ. What have we done? Every Muslim will be questioned: what has s/he done to move the society closer to Islam?
We need to self-reflect.
.

[Arabatman]

Asalaamualaikum,

Yes we are the best of nations. The nation of Muhammad(SAW) is the best of nations. Even if the followers of Muhammad(SAW) arent as good as before we are still the best of nations. Why? Because Allah(SWT) says so in his book. No, we arent as numerous nor are we the most advanced, but when was that ever a criterea for being the best?

You are the best nation produced [as an example] for mankind. You enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and believe in Allah. If only the People of the Scripture had believed, it would have been better for them. Among them are believers, but most of them are defiantly disobedient. 3:110

This is why we are the best nation. Allah(SWT)'s words are not only for one specific time and place. We are included just as much as those that lived during the time of the Prophet. This includes us because we are Muslims. We enjoin the good, forbid the evil, and believe in Allah(SWT). By saying otherwise you are in effect disagreeing with Allah(SWT).

Asalaamualaikum,

-Zahid