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Re: Why the Layman has no Madhab
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that statement is completely ignorant.
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The statement was said by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah [ra]. That is who you are calling ignorant.
Yes, the truth almost always does lie in one of the four madhaib, but this is not something set in stone.
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Re: Why the Layman has no Madhab
All that posting to basically say that laymen are stupid and need people like the author to tell them how to live their lives?  please.
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All that posting to basically say that laymen are stupid and need people like the author to tell them how to live their lives?  please.
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Once again, you need to improve your reading comprehension.
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Re: Why the Layman has no Madhab
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Hence, our conclusion is that, it is not obligatory on a layman to follow a Madhab, but it is still allowed for the one who finds no way but this, to obtain Allah’s ruling on an issue.
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Madhab = Scholars telling you what to do and what is permissible, as in how to live your life.
ONCE AGAIN, get a clue. Thanks 
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Madhab = Scholars telling you what to do and what is permissible, as in how to live your life.
ONCE AGAIN, get a clue. Thanks 
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You have ZERO reading comprehension skills bro. Seriously, I keep asking you this so can you answer it: did you graduate high school?
The article I posted is saying that laypersons should NOT adhere to a madhab.
Therefore, I cannot see why you would even post "madhab = " .....
Having said that, the layman is to do taqleed of a reliable scholar.
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Cool article Hanbali, thanks for sharing.
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Barakh-Allah Feek.
I think it sufficiently exposes the myth of the so-called "traditionalists"...this is one of the lies that they concoct in their war against the rightly guided Ahl as-Sunnah. The traditionalist cult spreads the lie that in order to be a "traditionalist", you must adhere to one of the four madhabs, claiming that this is what DEFINES a traditionalist! How UNtraditionalist is their criteria! How often have we heard these traditionalists say: "I'm a traditional Muslim who follows one of the four madhabs" . No, sorry sir, but you are taking the minority opinion, not the majority opinion.
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You have ZERO reading comprehension skills bro. Seriously, I keep asking you this so can you answer it: did you graduate high school?
The article I posted is saying that laypersons should NOT adhere to a madhab.
Therefore, I cannot see why you would even post "madhab = " .....
Having said that, the layman is to do taqleed of a reliable scholar.
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  I answered last time. I did graduate, with a 3.0 GPA. Not that is any of your business.
And what madhab do you follow, o great one 
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  I answered last time. I did graduate, with a 3.0 GPA. Not that is any of your business.
And what madhab do you follow, o great one 
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He doesn't follow a madhhab. That was his point to begin with.
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He doesn't follow a madhhab. That was his point to begin with.
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What does he do when he has a fiqh question?
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What does he do when he has a fiqh question?
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well, read the article and let us know
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well, read the article and let us know
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maybe after finals, and the gazillion other papers I have to read this summer.
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is it over?
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i couldn't spread rep heeheheehehheheeeheheheehee (that was too funny)
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It is hilarious how you, the descendants of the Khawarij, and the descendants of the mujasima, deal with the issue of temporary marriage just like your cousins deal with the issue of polygamy, jihad and hijab, when at the same time your predecessors such as the scholars of Makkah and a large group of the companions and the tabi3een believed in its permissibility and acknowledged its legality.
It reminds me of the evangelist Christians who attack the Muslims on Jihad and attribute violence and bloodshedding to the Holy Messenger Mohammed (pbuhhp) while their Bible contains much worse than what they accuse Islam of.
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I feel sorry for Christian jihadis. They die for only one virgin.
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You have ZERO reading comprehension skills bro. Seriously, I keep asking you this so can you answer it: did you graduate high school?
The article I posted is saying that laypersons should NOT adhere to a madhab.
Therefore, I cannot see why you would even post "madhab = " .....
Having said that, the layman is to do taqleed of a reliable scholar.
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Don't waste your time on lamemen.
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Re: Why the Layman has no Madhab
Whoever does not have the ability to derive rulings himself is permitted to follow one whom he feels comfortable following. If he is not comfortable following him then he should ask until he finds someone with whom he is comfortable.
-- Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah
Imam Ibn Hajar al-Haytami (Shafi'i school) said: "Whoever makes taqleed of an Imam in an issue must follow the requirements of his madhab on that issue and everything else that is related to it." (I'atu'l-talibin, 4.219).
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Ibn Taymiyah says that if it is allowed for the layman to make Taqleed of whomever he wishes, then what the statements of our [Hanbali] scholars indicate is that it is not permissible for him to seek and follow allowances in any circumstance.
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Re: Why the Layman has no Madhab
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The statement was said by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah [ra]. That is who you are calling ignorant.
Yes, the truth almost always does lie in one of the four madhaib, but this is not something set in stone.
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bro, again, please show me an example of an opinion which is the "truth" and doesnt exist in any one of the 4 schools. if you cant, then your whole argument is just pointless blabbering.
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You have ZERO reading comprehension skills bro. Seriously, I keep asking you this so can you answer it: did you graduate high school?
The article I posted is saying that laypersons should NOT adhere to a madhab.
Therefore, I cannot see why you would even post "madhab = " .....
Having said that, the layman is to do taqleed of a reliable scholar.
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so instead of following one of the 4 established schools which has the opinions of hundreds of scholars, one should just make taqleed of one scholar? the anti-madhab arguments are always ridiculous. why would you wanna follow one scholar where you can follow an entire school. in the schools of fiqh, each opinion is evaluated by many reliable scholars and either verified or rejected to establish a dominant opinion of the school. there is less chance of an error with following a madhab as opposed to following a "reliable scholar".
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Re: Why the Layman has no Madhab
This is the sorry state of the nation. Islam is about this science and that science, and this madhadb and that ruling and derivation and the 'technicalities' and what not. People think that is what Islam is and drive others away from it making religion seem like a complex puzzle in which one part they avoid and some they are allowed in.
Islam is very simply. It is to believe in Allah and the Last Day and to obey His commands as stated in the Qur'an. Its so simple. Because now people do not follow this simple principle, they also dont fear Allah as they should. This is why Muslims are powerless today. The simply message of Islam communicated in the Qur'an and as originally communicated by the Prophet, is long lost.
Only when people begin to follow the Qur'an, can hope to be enlightened and be on their way to becoming a true believer.
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