[jinnzaman]

Originally Posted by bluey

What does the Shafi'i madhab base their ruling on? Also, how would one know if its leading to fitna or not, considering we can't exactly look into the hearts of people, but maybe it is meant in another way here. Wa Allahu a'alam.

Do you have something I could read up on in detail concerning this? Jazakallah khair.

The Shafi'i madhab deems singing nasheeds, recitation of Qur'an to be makruh, so its not 100% halal. However, they hold that it becomes haram if there's a fear of fitnah. So it depends on the circumstances. Nonetheless, the operating principle behind the prohibition for all four madhaib is not that a woman's voice is awrah, but there's a fear of fitnah.

In terms of leading to fitna, I think its a case by case scenario. If people are singing nasheeds in an inappropriate manner (guys and girls mixing or acting in a manner that doesn't befit a believer), then thats a pretty clear indication of its inappropriateness.

Sunnipath has a fatwa about it.

[Timbit]

Originally Posted by Spice

I was referring to the dynamics of awrah.

He said you'd been brainwashed by kufr ideologies, you said maybe it was these Muslim women who were brainwashed, but you didnt counter his claim, you just played the blame game.

When I said counter it, I meant present any kind of valid evidence to support your ideas on the whole women/purdah/whatever issue, so as to negate his idea that you've been influenced by kafir ideologies.

You also didnt address the rest of my post, which was probably the main point of the post to begin with. Let me qoute myself:

I was trying to tiptoe around you guys, I guess. I really do think the idea of a woman's voice being so attractive that she should not speak to any men is problematic.
If that means I've been brainwashed by the kuffar, then so be it.

As for veiling (I guess you mean wearing a niqab), I'm still trying to figure out my views on it.