[Hanbali]

Ace of hearts and Ameen, let us see how much you follow the Quran and how much you follow your own whims and desires.

Tell me: is women speaking softly to men a part of jahiliyyah or not?

[sixpakistan]

why even bother lending their ideas dignity.. they've been owned a million times here. no matter how many flaws you point out in their way of thinking, they still cling to the same moronic & blasphemous viewpoint out of stubbornness and simplemindedness.

they reject the necessity of following the sunnah. that should be enough to dismiss them.

[Hanbali]

I am still waiting for Ace of hearts and Ameen to answer this question:

Is singing softly considered Jahiliyyah or not!?

[Hanbali]

What happened Quran-only fools? Can't answer the question? Where'd you guys run off to? Are you cursing yourselves for goofing and shooting yourselves in the foots [sic]?

[AceOfHearts]

Peace,

Points to note are:

1) The Verse is not telling them to not be be soft with their 'voice', but soft with the 'words' they are speaking.

2) 'Those with a disease in their hearts' are the hypocrite men and women of the time.

And as I have proven it is addressing the wives of the Prophet, and with the above advise which is not to give into the hypocrites with their words.

Please get back to me if you do not understand the above two points about the Verse, but make sure you have studied the arabic Verse beforehand. As I am in the exam period, I might take a little longer than usual to get back to you.

[AceOfHearts]

Originally Posted by Hanbali

...you say that Sunni men are like that, so this is you admitting that her singing like that will cause women to be dishonored.

Mys Shalash (or any Muslim woman) who sings is not dishonoring herself at all so long as she is within the moral values of the Qur'an, and as you have now seen the Qur'an says nothing about not being allowed to sing to women. In her performances, Mys Shalash is modestly dressed and performs her work honorably and with dignity in front of people so she is not dishonoring herself by the least.

peace.

[NoPorkonMyFork]

Originally Posted by mirza

I like Billy Ocean better.

If I only spoke English and "Ergh-doo doo" then I'd probably say the same thing!

[NoPorkonMyFork]

Originally Posted by ameen

salam,

Allah will help her, but the backward-minded Sunni men who can't control their selfish desires certainly won't help her. Quite the opposite actually; they will shun her as a Nasheed-singer and reject her right to sing, simply because she is a woman and because they can't control their carnal emotions every time they hear the voice of a woman. This is why you will never see a Muslim woman on stage at a Sunni Nasheed-concert, and why all the Nasheed-singers on this website are 100% male: The Nasheed Shop -- . They try to twist the Qur'an to fit their twisted mentality, even though their only basis is their women-hating imagination and the corruption and lies in their Hadith which their own hands have created in the first place.

wasalam

• If your corrupt and misguided BLACK-TURBO’s hadn’t made the Harram Halal, I.E: Temporary Marriage (Translates to a quite shag for a bit of cash, ordained by yes you guessed it..another black turbo in exchange for cash. In most parts of the world, they call it prostitution), then I reckon you’d all be shagging each other.
• If you knew a little more about your religion, you would understand that many things are down to the interpretation of Quran and Sunnah by qualified scholars. This means that there are difference of opinion on many subjects…people here are discussing their opinions here..and that is testament to out ability to go beyond the SHIiIe approach of dogmatic Islam.
• You hardly ever see a woman on stage at Nasheed concerts because our woman often simply don’t want to, instead choosing other pursuits.
• Actually we love our woman more then anyone, and that is encouraged in the Quran and Sunnah…it is you people that treat your woman as sexual objects..giving your mothers, daughters, aunts to men for the sole purpose of sowing their oats.
• It is your people that have forged a belief system based on hate. I think if you were to remove the hating and cursing of the Prophets (SAW) beloved companions (RA), you would have little left. Glory be to Allah, who loves Abu Bakr and Umar so much, he created a nation to curse them so that they receive their reward (Ibn Taymiyyah)

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by NoPorkonMyFork

Glory be to Allah, who loves Abu Bakr and Umar so much, he created a nation to curse them so that they receive their reward (Ibn Taymiyyah)

hahaha @ this clever line

[thejellymill]

Ok let's make a couple of things clear. 1. I am Sunni, 2. I am a religious studies major with an awesome professor (yes, a man not a woman) who has taught me a lot, 3. I believe in Qur'an AND sunnah (hadith) 4. I have Shia friends and have talked to Shias about Sunni-Shia differences (no not arrogantly argued but discussed and asked questions). Ok...

Why does this have to turn into a Sunni-Shia argument? Aceofhearts and Ameen, do you really reject all hadith? Did nobody see that he referenced SUNNI scholars in his posts as proof, Al-Ghazzali and Ibn Hazm?

It's nice to know that men exist who don't treat women as sex objects to be hidden away and locked up and don't see every peep out of a woman as "overstepping the boundaries." I'm all for saying women (and men) shouldn't be out in the street soliciting themselves, making themselves attractive or doing haraam things. But where is this Mais Shalash lady doing any of that? She is not singing about bad things, she is wearing full hijab, she is not even dancing! Some of these verses are directly addressing the wives of the Prophet(s), that is extremely clear and it even says you are not like any other women! Some people have interpreted these verses to mean that ordinary Muslim women must also have the same restrictions as the wives of the Prophet(s). When the new ultra-conservative imam arrived at our masjid he removed the sister's voice from the masjid answering machine, saying that it was haraam for her voice to be heard....she's a 45 year old woman with children and there was nothing "attractive" or "seductive" about her voice. Most people in the community were like "wtf? " and talked about it for ages but nobody said anything. It seems that women are treated as sources of sin...can't look at them even if they're covered, can't hear or listen to them, can't speak to them etc.. Sometimes I wonder what the Prophet(s) would say if he were here.

Not all Shia dishonor some of the companions like the stories some people tell to demonize the Shia (stories I was told when I was little even though my family is not particularly anti-Shia and 5 generations ago our family was Shia). One of my professors was an Iranian Shia and one of the most modest and well-mannered people I ever met mashallah. I asked him about all this stuff and he had never even heard of the practice of using knives and chains to beat oneself. I do know some Shia people who do that but hey, they pray 5 times a day and fast during Ramadan, who am I to pry into their lives? I am not saying I agree with the practice but they are not bothering me and I'm not the Islamic police. Allah will be their judge.

That is the problem with us. We act self-righteous and hateful, and I'm not just talking about the Sunnis in here. Ameen's post didn't have to say "backwards Sunni men," just say "some backwards men" because saying the former is just rude and inciteful.

Also Mais Shalash has a beautiful voice mashallah, it gave me the shivers

[bluey]

Originally Posted by thejellymill

Ok let's make a couple of things clear. 1. I am Sunni, 2. I am a religious studies major with an awesome professor (yes, a man not a woman) who has taught me a lot, 3. I believe in Qur'an AND sunnah (hadith) 4. I have Shia friends and have talked to Shias about Sunni-Shia differences (no not arrogantly argued but discussed and asked questions). Ok...

Why does this have to turn into a Sunni-Shia argument? Aceofhearts and Ameen, do you really reject all hadith? Did nobody see that he referenced SUNNI scholars in his posts as proof, Al-Ghazzali and Ibn Hazm?

It's nice to know that men exist who don't treat women as sex objects to be hidden away and locked up and don't see every peep out of a woman as "overstepping the boundaries." I'm all for saying women (and men) shouldn't be out in the street soliciting themselves, making themselves attractive or doing haraam things. But where is this Mais Shalash lady doing any of that? She is not singing about bad things, she is wearing full hijab, she is not even dancing! Some of these verses are directly addressing the wives of the Prophet(s), that is extremely clear and it even says you are not like any other women! Some people have interpreted these verses to mean that ordinary Muslim women must also have the same restrictions as the wives of the Prophet(s).

Also Mais Shalash has a beautiful voice mashallah, it gave me the shivers

Assalam Alaykum,

Jelly, initially a Womans voice is not awrah, ie. normally speaking, asking questions, etc. But when you sing or even read the Quran with proper tajweed and tarteel it becomes awrah because it becomes beautiful. Majority of the Scholars of Ahlus Sunnah, both classical and contemporary, have this view, and it is backed by the Qurán and Sunnah. For example, if we look at singing, you make your voice soft and beautiful whilst singing, this is normal. Nobody will sing or want to sing in a bad voice. You yourself said, you find her voice to be beautiful. No body is saying she shouldn't sing, but if she does then she should either do it in front of only Women or something that is halal.

Wa Allahu Aalam.

[Jaysh]

Originally Posted by thejellymill

Not all Shia dishonor some of the companions like the stories some people tell to demonize the Shia

Sister, only the ignorant Shias do not dishonor the companions, or the ones under taqiyyah, since cursing the Companions is a part of their faith, as commanded to them by their Imams, who said to curse the sahabah and the prophet's wives after each and every single prayer.

One of my professors was an Iranian Shia and one of the most modest and well-mannered people I ever met mashallah. I asked him about all this stuff and he had never even heard of the practice of using knives and chains to beat oneself.

He had never heard of the practice?! Then he was a highly ignorant Shia and an invalid example to give!

It is like a non-Muslim saying that he knows a Muslimah who has never heard of the hijab, and using that as a proof that Islam doesn't command the hijab. Absurd.

[Jaysh]

Originally Posted by bluey

Assalam Alaykum,

Jelly, initially a Womans voice is not awrah, ie. normally speaking, asking questions, etc. But when you sing or even read the Quran with proper tajweed and tarteel it becomes awrah because it becomes beautiful. Majority of the Scholars of Ahlus Sunnah, both classical and contemporary, have this view, and it is backed by the Qurán and Sunnah. For example, if we look at singing, you make your voice soft and beautiful whilst singing, this is normal. Nobody will sing or want to sing in a bad voice. You yourself said, you find her voice to be beautiful. No body is saying she shouldn't sing, but if she does then she should either do it in front of only Women or something that is halal.

Wa Allahu Aalam.

You rock, masha-Allah.

Why can't more sisters be like you?! Instead they water down the deen to satisfy their own whims and desires.

You explained it very nicely, especially the part about 'you yourself said her voice was beautiful'. Check and mate!

[Timbit]

Women find men's voices to be beautiful too, no?

[Jaysh]

Originally Posted by Timbit

Women find men's voices to be beautiful too, no?

Why do women alone have to wear hijab when women find man hair attractive?

Why do women alone have to wear niqab when women find men's faces attractive?

Why do women need to cover their arms when women find men's arms to be attractive?

etc etc etc