[AceOfHearts]

Wa alaikum as salaam,

Originally Posted by bluey

It isn't a black and white issue because

The issue is black and white from a Qur'anic standpoint. I have made it very clear in my previous post.

Nothing is black and white with hadith and ulama involved when deriving rulings, as can be seen. Because any path other than that of the Qur'an, leads to confusion due to inadequate and unauthorised sources being used and nonsensical rules which do not lie in line with human-conscience.

People abandoning Books of Allah is the most common trait of mankind throughout history. Taking a ruling from any other source than the Qur'an has been spoken against by the Qur'an:

Since you find nothing in the Qur'an to forbid her from singing, you are looking into other books to find this prohibition (Hadith-books, Thafsir-books etc.). Just like Allah states in the Verse above.

Mais Shalash is doing nothing wrong whatsoever, that is clear from a Qur'anic standpoint. Who is better as a Judge than Allah? Men's lowly selfish carnal desires leading to their own illegal fathwas? Or Allah as a judge?

"Shall I seek other than Allah as a source of Law, when He has revealed to you this Book (Qur'an) fully detailed? Those who received the Book recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt." [Qur'an 6:114]

Peace be to you.

[AceOfHearts]

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[Rokaiya]

We have to be very careful when we do anything that we feel it's right but follow the Quran and Sunnah! It's nothing to do with what we feel but what Allah has told us and commanded us to do ! none of the prophets wives or the believing women sang in public !
Allah save us from what displeases Allah Ameen.

[AceOfHearts]

Originally Posted by Rokaiya

We have to be very careful when we do anything that we feel it's right but follow the Quran and Sunnah! It's nothing to do with what we feel but what Allah has told us and commanded us to do ! none of the prophets wives or the believing women sang in public !
Allah save us from what displeases Allah Ameen.

I have already PROVED with Qur'anic evidence that you can NEVER compare Prophet's wives with ordinary believing women. Have you not read the thread?

Just because no ordinary believing women have been reported to sing in a Hadith does not mean none did. It may be no one bothered to report it, or it may be no one bothered to record it because they thought it was weak or fabricated. It may be lost to history. Besides, even if none did, that does not amount to a prohibition, just that none did.

Also, who said no women sung 'tala al badru 'alaina'? Were there no women in Madina who welcomed the Prophet? Most probably women did along with the men. Muslims during the Prophet's time were much more open minded than they are of today, who are busy with how to conceal women without any right.

[AceOfHearts]

Originally Posted by AceOfHearts

Sorry for the late reply.

The most popular use of the Qur'an is to conceal women, this has been well done over the centuries by so-called learned "Muslim" men who own the religion.

The Qur'anic Verse which is often quoted and misunderstood is 33:32. People hide the fact that this Verse is EXCLUSIVELY for the wives of the Prophet:

"Oh wives of the prophet, you are not like any other women. If you are righteous, then do not speak too softly, lest those with disease in their hearts will move with desire; you shall speak in an honourable manner." [Qur'an 33:32]

People, or men rather, intentionally misinterpret this Verse to mean all women in a quest to keep women under the blanket of darkness so that they may live life in their own terms, in a "fithnah-less" society, "fithnah" meaning any hint of women.

Notice that the Verse makes clear that:

1) the Verse is addressed ONLY to the wives of the Prophet: "Oh Wives of the prophet..."

2) and also the wives of the Prophet are NOT like any other women, ie. any other women can NEVER be like the wives of the Prophet: "You are not like any other women...". This means the Verse does not extend to anybody else by the slightest of imagination.

Therefore, the Verse is applicable ONLY to the wives of the Prophet and does not extend to other believers. In the Qur'an, the wives of the Prophet occupy an exclusive status and they can never be compared with other believing women. This is shown by other Verses which speak exclusively to them:

1) They are like the "mothers of the believers", but ordinary believing women are not like "mothers of the believers" (33:6), this title gives them a unique status.

2) Believing men shall speak to the wives of the Prophet from behind a curtain, but this is not required when speaking to ordinary believing women (33:53).

3) Ordinary believing men are not allowed to EVER marry the wives of the Prophet (33:53), such is their special status.

The above clearly tells us of the unique status of the wives of the Prophet. Likewise, the Verse 33:32 is refering to ONLY the wives of the Prophet, and this is made VERY clear in the Verse it self. It cannot be used to mean all women. Let us read it once more:

"O wives of the prophet, you are not like any other women. If you are righteous, then do not speak too softly, lest those with disease in their hearts will move with desire; you shall speak in an honourable manner." [Qur'an 33:32]

When the Qur'an wishes to address ordinary believing women, it addresses them as "believing women" eg. "And tell the believing women..." (24:31). Or in the following Verse, the women to be addressed have been clearly identified: "O prophet, tell your wives, your daughters, and the wives of the believers..." (33:59). In short, Allah carefully makes it clear to whom He is addressing what, and we must not muddle them up to suite personal wishes. When He wishes to address the wives of the Prophet, He does so clearly, when He wishes to address ordinary believing women, He does this clearly too.

It should be abundently clear that Verse 33:32 cannot be used to stop Mais Shalash, or women in general from singing in public.



This is a lie propagated by the clergy and extra-Quranic sources. Men and women have been designed to have equal attraction and desire of one another.

This hoax is made up in order to support all sorts of concealments and prohibitions of women not found in the Qur'an.

I hope you are absolutely clear in your mind that believing women have not been prohibited to sing publicly any where in the Qur'an. If you have any doubts to this, or any question regarding this, please feel free to ask and I will be more than happy to help.

If you can rid yourself from all un-Quranic laws and can understand the Qur'an according to what it really says with an open and unprejudiced mind, and not what a fathwa or some other Saying says, then you would have discovered the real Qur'an and have opened a path of gaining endless wisdom and knowledge, directly from Our Lord: a great blessing indeed.

peace be to you

Originally Posted by AceOfHearts

1) They are like the "mothers of the believers", but ordinary believing women are not like "mothers of the believers" (33:6), this title gives them a unique status.

2) Believing men shall speak to the wives of the Prophet from behind a curtain, but this is not required when speaking to ordinary believing women (33:53).

3) Ordinary believing men are not allowed to EVER marry the wives of the Prophet (33:53), such is their special status.

I am going to add point 4 to further prove that Prophets wives cannot be compared to ordinary believing women and retrictions to them are not restrictions for ordinary believing women:

4) If any of the Prophet's wives were to commit an act of indecency, the punishment for them is double to that for ordinary believing women (33:30).

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Originally Posted by ameen

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[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by HiJaBi_ShAh

wow subhanAllah she has an amazing voice. Brother Ameen, from having read your previous post, im def interested in hearing more about why a women IS allowed to sing. I myself have grown up thinking its been wrong..i've been wanting to enquir this since a very long time.

So is it islamically allowed for a women to sing ( as does Mais Shalash)?

In case it isn't obvious, Aceofhearts and Ameen reject the Sunnah/hadith. They're "Quran only" nutcases. So whatever opinions they give you can safely be ignored.

[rawrr]

Just as no man can touch on the perfection of a human being the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was, no women can reach the status of the Wives of the Prophet.

But just as the Prophet (pbuh) is an example and a role model for Muslims to follow, the Wifes of the Prophet are an example and role model for Muslim women to follow.

No we can't compare ourselves to them, but we certainly can use them as examples to live our lives.

Obviously, Allah knows best.

Cute voice though MashAllah.

[AceOfHearts]

Originally Posted by rawrr

Just as no man can touch on the perfection of a human being the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was, no women can reach the status of the Wives of the Prophet.

But just as the Prophet (pbuh) is an example and a role model for Muslims to follow, the Wifes of the Prophet are an example and role model for Muslim women to follow.

No we can't compare ourselves to them, but we certainly can use them as examples to live our lives.

Obviously, Allah knows best.

Cute voice though MashAllah.

That is the false definition of the religious found in so called Islamic text books everywhere.

The way for a believer is to be the kind of believer the Qur'an commands them to be, not become the Prophet Muhammad or the wives of the Prophet.

The Verse which everyone loves to quote ignorantly is the one where the Prophet Muhammad is refered to as "uswatun hasanatun" or a good example...the Prophet Ibrahim is also referred to by the same term, which most have no idea about.

The believers do not differentiate between the messengers, but adopt to the religion communicated in the Revelations through these messengers. The Muslim's purpose is to adhere to the Qur'anic values, and that is his or her guide. Ofcourse, if one has already decided he doesnt want to view the Qur'an this way will never see the light, but proceeds blind without the guidance of Allah - that is, incapable of walking upright without falling over.

peace.

[AceOfHearts]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

In case it isn't obvious, Aceofhearts and Ameen reject the Sunnah/hadith. They're "Quran only" nutcases. So whatever opinions they give you can safely be ignored.

He has to warn you, because you might just see the truth in what we say. You might just see the Qur'an.

Ofcourse, if their esteemed scholars tell you a can of lies and nonsense about the Qur'an, it can safely be accepted.

peace.

[rawrr]

Originally Posted by AceOfHearts

That is the false definition of the religious found in so called Islamic text books everywhere.

The way for a believer is to be the kind of believer the Qur'an commands them to be, not become the Prophet Muhammad or the wives of the Prophet.

The Verse which everyone loves to quote ignorantly is the one where the Prophet Muhammad is refered to as "uswatun hasanatun" or a good example...in the same Surah, the Prophet Ibrahim is also referred to by the same term, which most have no idea about.

The believers do not differentiate between the messengers, but adopt to the religion communicated in the Revelations through these messengers. The Muslims purpose is to adhere to the Qur'anic values, and that is his or her guide. Ofcourse, if one has already decided he doesnt want to view the Qur'an this way will never see the light, but proceed blind without the guidance of Allah.

peace.

1. I didn't find that definition of 'religious' from any book, to me it seems common sense.
2. The Quran is a guide, the Prophet is an example of how to act upon that guide.
3. The purpose is not to 'become' the Prophet astagfiruAllah. It is to take his example and use it in our lives. This is also common sense.
4. I do not have the knowledge to take this any furthur, and I'm not going to pretend that I do.

May Allah guide us all correctly towards His love and mercy.

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by AceOfHearts

He has to warn you, because you might just see the truth in what we say. You might just see the Qur'an.

Ofcourse, if their esteemed scholars tell you a can of lies and nonsense about the Qur'an, it can safely be accepted.

peace.

Or we might find a couple of confused young kids who suck at rational thinking and have been thoroughly spanked every time they spout their ridiculously simple-minded and uninformed - not to mention heretical - opinions here.

[AceOfHearts]

Peace to you brother,

We will soon see who was deviating. Allah will certainly judge between us in His divine and supreme wisdom when we stand before Him.

Those people who told lies about His Revelations and distorted its meanings, will certainly not prosper.

peace.

[Hanbali]

Originally Posted by ameen

salam,

Allah will help her, but the backward-minded Sunni men who can't control their selfish desires certainly won't help her. Quite the opposite actually; they will shun her as a Nasheed-singer and reject her right to sing, simply because she is a woman and because they can't control their carnal emotions every time they hear the voice of a woman.... They try to twist the Qur'an to fit their twisted mentality, even though their only basis is their women-hating imagination and the corruption and lies in their Hadith which their own hands have created in the first place.

wasalam

You say that whoever says that his women must not speak softly to be:

1) Backward
2) Selfish
3) Woman haters

So I have a question: Was the Prophet [s] backwards, selfish, and a woman hater when he [s] desired that his wives observe strict purdah?

You always say that "dirty Sunni men" want to cover their women because "they can't control their own desires". So did the Prophet [s] want to have his wives seclude themselves because he [s] couldn't control his desires?

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