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I think he's just anti-intelligent people, IE ignoramus, just like Roberto.
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I agree, but then it's obvious that some are really concern about the colour of their skin, so sad
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It's the belief of Ahl us-Sunnah in general, whether Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'i, or Hanbali that Arabs (according to the Shari'ah definition of Arabs) are the most noble people in lineage, and the Quraysh are the most noble among the Arabs. Read about the fiqh of "Kafa'ah" (suitability in marriage).
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It's the belief of Ahl us-Sunnah in general, whether Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'i, or Hanbali that Arabs (according to the Shari'ah definition of Arabs) are the most noble people in lineage, and the Quraysh are the most noble among the Arabs. Read about the fiqh of "Kafa'ah" (suitability in marriage).
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It's the belief of Ahl us-Sunnah in general, whether Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'i, or Hanbali that Arabs (according to the Shari'ah definition of Arabs) are the most noble people in lineage, and the Quraysh are the most noble among the Arabs. Read about the fiqh of "Kafa'ah" (suitability in marriage).
"All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action."

(from the Prophet (SAW)'s final sermon)

I can see the argument that one should marry within their culture because cultures are different due to kafaa, but to say that Arabs are superior to non-Arabs makes no sense. How do you reconcile this idea with the Prophet (SAW)'s own words?

I'm willing to bet a lot of people that believe in this principle would be the first to turn around and shout "asabiyyah!" at any non-Arab who happened to be proud of their lineage.
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I think there's plenty of examples where Arab scholars have twisted the meaning of hadiths to try to make themselves superior.

Even the claims of the sayyids to superiority have no basis. There is no crime that any other muslim has done that a a sayyid hasn't and that includes betraying other Muslims fighting for Al-Quds

Regarding 'The reliance of the traveller' and other books which advocate racial superiority they have no relevance to the majority of the muslims who are followers of the madhab of Imam Abu Hanifa ra.
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Excellent answer by GF Haddad on this topic -

Has Allah placed Arabs above non Arabs?

Has Allah placed Arabs above non Arabs?


Some verses and hadiths emphasize the worth of Arabs, some emphasize the worth of non-Arabs, and some criticize part of the Arabs harshly. Our approach to this question must balance mostly the first two kinds of emphasis. This is not a defense of a cultural bias, but a description of what Allah and His Prophet said.

The evidence for the superiority of Arabs can only be based on the fact that the last Revelation took place within the historical context of Arab culture. Because of that, Arabs are distinguished, just as Muslims are distinguished, but accidentally (i.e. historically) the Arabs stand in the forefront and this is from Divine favor.

In the same sense, the Arabs are the first concerned by the Divine Revelation because Allah Most High said {We have revealed it in a clear Arabic tongue}.

The linguistic superiority of Arabic, and the superiority of Arabs in achieving full knowledge of Arabic, is a reality which is derived from the necessity of knowing the Qur'an and the Sunna fully, and they are expressed in Arabic. In that superficial linguistic sense, as in the accidental historical sense, Arabs also have a natural superiority.

None of this is to say that an impious Arab is superior to a pious non-Arab nor that an ignorant Arab is superior to a knowledgeable non-Arab: in those cases, the reverse is true. Also, a non- Arab who learns Arabic intending fuller knowledge of Shari`a, is rewarded more than if he didn;t have to learn Arabic first even if the teaching and learning of Arabic simply as a language, is mustahabb (a praiseworthy act) for all over and above that of any other language. That is why the Shari`a encourages every Muslim to learn Arabic and it is said to be a duty.

Allah also said {You are the best of peoples} (3:100) and this ayat addresses primarily the first generation of Muslims, the Muhajirun and Ansar, who were Arabs except for very few. The ahadith that praise the Prophet's generation or century, "then the next, then the next" (Muslim) and Abu Bakr and `Umar as the best of mankind after him, confirm that verse although the number of non-Arabs increased.

But the epicenter of both the abovementioned verses and the hadiths is THE PROPHET .

We respect and love Arabs only because the Prophet is one of them, in the sense that we respect and love him in those whose Arab pride consists in following him . In this respect we respect and love every sincere Muslim as every sincere Muslim is an Arab through the kinship of Islam; and every sincere Muslim is a Friend of Allah (in the general not the special sense of Wilaya) for being a follower of His Prophet . This is Imam al-Shafi`i's understanding of the Aal Muhammad in the Salat Ibrahimiyya in the last tashahhud.

It is confirmed in the narration of the two freedmen among the Companions who quarreled, whereupon each one hurled at the other the name of his ethnic origin by way of insult, namely: "You Copt!" and "You Abyssinian!" Hearing this, the Prophet said to them: "Stop this, for you are now both from Aal Muhammad." The Shaykh of our teachers Abu al-Yusr `Abidin mentioned it in his book on slavery in Islam titled _al-Qawl al-Wathiq fi Amr al-Raqiq_ citing al-Sayyid al-Hifni's _al-Jawahir al-Hisan fi Tarikh al-Habashan_.

In addition we *have to* love the actual Family of the Prophet and most of them are non-Arabs in our time. But the reason why we love anyone in Islam is Taqwa -godwariness- without which we cannot give them any attention even if they are from Ahl al-Bayt. We certainly do not love transgressors, even if they should be from Ahl al-Bayt. When the Arabs lost their Taqwa, Allah Most High withdrew power from them. So it means little to be a Sayyid or Sharif without taqwa, and even less to be an Arab unless one has taqwa.

In his last `Umra (year 1421) the Sharif Sidi Mustafa Basir al-Hasani was sitting in front of the Muwajaha al-Sharifa at which time one of the Arab guards there asked him: "Does it help anyone to be from Ahl al-Bayt?" He replied without looking at him: "With Taqwa." The other said: "And without Taqwa?" Shaykh Mustafa replied: "I told you: with Taqwa."

Allah Most High said in the Qur'an (49:13):

{{O humankind! Lo! We created you male and female, and made you nations and tribes that you may know one another. Surely, the noblest of you, in the sight of Allah, is the most righteous of you. Lo! Allah is Knower, Aware.}}

"Qila ya rasulallah man akram al-nas?..." The Prophet was asked: "Who are the best of people?" He replied: "The most God-conscious." They said: "We did not mean that." He said: "Yusuf the Prophet of Allah, son of the Prophet of Allah (Ya`qub), son of the Prophet of Allah (Ishaq), son of the Friend of Allah (Ibrahim)." They said: "We didn't meant that." He said: "If you are asking me about the nation [ma`adin = stocks] of the Arabs, then the best of them in the Time of ignorance are the best of them in Islam if/when they understand." Sahih Muslim.

In other words, nobility is of three kinds: (1) Godwariness - of which the Prophet Muhammad is the highest example; (2) the Prophetic House; and (3) Fitra or Pristine Disposition.

Furthermore, Rasulullah said in the Farewell Pilgrimage:

"There is no superiority of an Arab over a non-Arab,

nor of a non-Arab over an Arab.... except in whoever

fears Allah the most."

This is narrated from 17 Sahaba, so it is mutawatir (mass-transmitted). And this is the belief of Imam al-Shafi`i (ra).

Whatever ruling Imam al-Shafi`i meant when he said he preferred Arabs to marry Arabs, does not have a bearing on affirming superiority in the eyes of Allah but only with custom and on condition that those concerned are people of Taqwa. Imam al-Shafi`i never said that he would prefer a non-muttaqi Arab over a muttaqi non-Arab. It is likely, also, that what the Imam meant by "Arabs and non-Arabs" in this particular ruling was as an euphemism for free men and slaves, and this sense is also implied in the narration "There is no superiority of an Arab over a non-Arab." Meaning: of a free man over a slave or former slave, because slaves and former slaves were overwhelmingly non-Arabs since the earliest centuries in Islam. This is confirmed by the narration adduced by Ibn al-Salah in his Muqaddima on the Hadith sciences from `Ata' that the latter was asked by the Caliph Hisham ibn `Abd al-Malik in al-Rusafa:
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- "O `Ata'! Do you know anything about the foremost Ulema in the world?"
- "Yes, Commander of the Believers."
- "Who is the Faqih of Ahl al-Madina?"
- "Nafi` the Mawla of Ibn `Umar [most likely a Persian according to al-Dhahabi]."
- "Was he a Mawla or an Arab?"
- "A Mawla."
- "Then who is the Faqih of Ahl Makka?"
- "`Ata' ibn Abi Rabah."
- "Was he a Mawla or an Arab?"
- "No! A Mawla."
- "Then who is the Faqih of Ahl al-Yaman?"
- "Tawus ibn Kaysan."
- "Was he a Mawla or an Arab?"
- "No! A Mawla."
- "Then who is the Faqih of Ahl al-Yamama?"
- "Yahya ibn Abi Kathir."
- "Was he a Mawla or an Arab?"
- "No! A Mawla."
- "Then who is the Faqih of Ahl al-Sham?"
- "Makhul."
- "Was he a Mawla or an Arab?"
- "No! A Mawla."
- "Then who is the Faqih of Ahl al-Jazira?"
- "Maymun ibn Mihran."
- "Was he a Mawla or an Arab?"
- "No! A Mawla."
- "Then who is the Faqih of Ahl Khurasan?"
- "Al-Dahhak ibn Muzahim."
- "Was he a Mawla or an Arab?"
- "No! A Mawla."
- "Then who is the Faqih of Ahl al-Basra?"
- "Al-Hasan and Ibn Sirin."
- "Were they Mawlas or Arabs?"
- "No! Mawlas."
- "Then who is the Faqih of Ahl al-Kufa?"
- "Ibrahim al-Nakha`i."
- "Was he a Mawla or an Arab?"
- "An Arab!"
Hearing which, Hisham said:
- "Had you not said an Arab I think I would have expired on the spot."

Mawla is one of the addad in Arabic- words referring also to their opposites - and can mean the slave-owner, as illustrated by `Ali's word to the Ansar: "How can I be your Mawla [=owner] when you are all Arabs [= free men]?". Narrated by Ahmad with a chain of sound narrators as per al-Haythami in Majma` al-Zawa'id (9:128-129 #14610).

In this sense, what al-Shafi`i meant by his fatwa was that it is disliked for a free woman to marry a slave because it is preferable for her to bring free men and women into the world, and Allah knows best.

"Innallah hina khalaqani ja`alani min khayri khalqihi... " "When Allah created me He made me the best choice of His creation, and when He created tribes He made me come from the best of tribes, and when He created souls He made me come from the best of souls, and when He created clans He made me come from the best of them." Al-Tirmidhi and al-Bayhaqi.

The Prophet also emphasized, although his tribe and clan are the best and they are the Arabs, that being related to him, in fact, consists in obeying Allah, not in being the son of so-and-so among his relatives: "Inna Bani fulanin laysu li bi awliya, innama waliyyi Allah." "The sons of So-and-so are not (necessarily) my relatives. Allah is my Patron, and (so are) the righteous believers." This is part of emphasizing the worth of non-Arabs. The Prophet similarly emphasized that Salman al-Farisi, a Persian, was related to him.

Another hadith reads: "Hubb al-`Arab min al-iman", "The love of Arabs is from belief." But this is forged (mawdu`) according to Abu Hatim, Ibn al-Jawzi, al-Dhahabi, and others.

The hadiths which emphasize that a non-Arab can achieve higher status than an Arab, are the two sayings related to Salman, although the first clearly applies to his particular person only: first, that he is of Ahl al-Bayt, second, that some Persians would reach knowledge even if it were at the Pleiades. This is in reference to the words "Wa akharina minhum..." "And other than them (the Arabs)" in the verses {He it is Who hath sent among the unlettered ones a messenger of their own, to recite unto them His revelations and to make them grow, and to teach them the Scripture and Wisdom, though heretofore they were indeed in error manifest, Along with others of them who have not yet joined them} (62:2-3).

And Allah knows best.

"Muhammad is the noblest of the Arabs and `Ajam. Muhammad is the best of those who trod the earth." (Al-Busiri)

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It's the belief of Ahl us-Sunnah in general, whether Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'i, or Hanbali that Arabs (according to the Shari'ah definition of Arabs) are the most noble people in lineage, and the Quraysh are the most noble among the Arabs. Read about the fiqh of "Kafa'ah" (suitability in marriage).
So you're not supposed to marry someone that doesn't share a social identity/history/etc?

What about all the 'mixed kids are cute' posts?
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So you're not supposed to marry someone that doesn't share a social identity/history/etc?

What about all the 'mixed kids are cute' posts?
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this made no sense to me... All the literature I have ever read explicitly says any slave's child is always born free. So whether she was a free woman who married a slave or not, or if she was a slave herself, her children will always be born free according to Islam.

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anyway this thread is a waste of time and a load of bullcrap. Funny how some newbie troll can so come in here and cause such horrible long-winded arguments just by posting a couple of sentences. Everybody knows Arabs thought there were superior, many still do. But the Ottomans were also arrogant, they subjugated the Arabs and the non-Muslims towards the end of their rule... Arabs were second class citizens. It's wrong but it's part of humanity...that is why we have something called Qur'an but most people dont listen (just like Qur'an says they wont)... so I have an idea. Why dont you all shut the hell up and stop arguing about who's right and who's wrong when we all clearly know every race has perpetrated acts of violence against another race at some point in history. Some of you have no freaking life and drift from thread to thread arguing everything point by point and wasting your breath on the same people you argued with in the last thread and yet you continue when you KNOW from experience they will never change their opinions! There's more to life than being clever and winning arguments on a freaking online discussion board.
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According to that link in Abdul Karim's post - it wouldn't be bucking society's constraint's, but Islam's.


It was pretty weird though - is it a norm among Arabs to think that all professions are equal in terms of class?

"Among Arabs, Kaf’aat with regards to professions is not considered since such does not usually form a basis for respectability in their society. Rather, all professions are regarded equal. A person of a certain profession does not usually regard another as of lower in status. This is contrary to the practise of non-Arabs who consider professions as status in their society. Professions are accorded different levels in status and on this basis, association of a person of superior profession with another of a lesser degree is regarded as difficult. It is for this reason the noble Shari’ah has taken Kafa’aat into consideration in worldly dealings (although in the sight of Allah, such things are no measure of superiority or inferiority)."
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anyway this thread is a waste of time and a load of bullcrap. Funny how some newbie troll can so come in here and cause such horrible long-winded arguments just by posting a couple of sentences. Everybody knows Arabs thought there were superior, many still do. But the Ottomans were also arrogant, they subjugated the Arabs and the non-Muslims towards the end of their rule... Arabs were second class citizens. It's wrong but it's part of humanity...that is why we have something called Qur'an but most people dont listen (just like Qur'an says they wont)... so I have an idea. Why dont you all shut the hell up and stop arguing about who's right and who's wrong when we all clearly know every race has perpetrated acts of violence against another race at some point in history. Some of you have no freaking life and drift from thread to thread arguing everything point by point and wasting your breath on the same people you argued with in the last thread and yet you continue when you KNOW from experience they will never change their opinions! There's more to life than being clever and winning arguments on a freaking online discussion board.[/color]
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