[Hanbali]

Originally Posted by Abdul_Karim

"He is over His Glorious Throne by His Essence."

"He is settled on His throne and has absolute control over His kingdom" - Risala Ibn Abi Zayd al-Qayrawani



Never.

Wa Alaykum as-salam,

So you are a Salafi who just doesn't go by the term.

You are Athari, right? Same thang. A rose by any other name.

Originally Posted by AbuAlAbbas

salman al awda's problem is in his aqeedah, thats why I dont take anything from him. Whatever good he has, it can be found in other shuyukh who have the proper aqeedah.

بين سلمان العودة وعلي الجفري
http://islamancient.com/ressources/audios/108.rm

^^^ listen to this.

Wa alaykum as-salam,

OK I'll download it and listen to it...but really, you are a SPUBs fan....SPUBs man...one of the greatest fitnahs...I like the Sufis better than SPUBs...at least the Sufis are sincere...SPUBs just want to create fitnah in the ranks of the Muslims.

[Abdul_Karim]

Originally Posted by Hanbali

Wa Alaykum as-salam,

So you are a Salafi who just doesn't go by the term.

No, I'm not. I don't want to be associated with any of the people who call themselves Salafis.

[Rambo]

Ya i dont get why salafis act as better then anyone else, thats why they are not liked generaly

[Hanbali]

Originally Posted by Rambo

Ya i dont get why salafis act as better then anyone else,

Maybe cuz they are?

[Rambo]

^ you think that because you are one, i have read a lot of criticism of you guys within sunnis

[LEGALEAGLE]

*Thinks one day the army of khurasan is going to take out the trash*

[AmroodWaala]

....those who establish prayers should not be rebelled against.

[Rambo]

Originally Posted by AmroodWaala

....those who establish prayers should not be rebelled against.

but do they really? i have a hard time beleving people who spend their nights partying, drinking, sex etc... will establish prayers, saudi royal family are well known for these activities.

[AbuAlAbbas]

Originally Posted by LEGALEAGLE

*Thinks one day the army of khurasan is going to take out the trash*

please clarify

[LEGALEAGLE]

Originally Posted by AbuAlAbbas

please clarify

Which direction is it going to come from ?

[Hanbali]

Originally Posted by LEGALEAGLE

Which direction is it going to come from ?

Question: Are the hadîth about an army coming from Khorasan with black flags and entering Jerusalem authentic?

Answered by Sheikh Salman al-Oadah

The hadîth about the army with black banners coming out of Khorasan has two chains of transmission, but both are weak and cannot be authenticated. If a Muslim believes in this hadîth, he believes in something false. Anyone who cares about his religion and belief should avoid heading towards falsehood.

The hadîth is related on the authority of Thawbân that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “If you see the black banners coming from the direction of Khurasân, then go to them, even if you have to crawl, because among them will be Allah’s Caliph the Mahdî.” [Related by al-Hâkim (8572) and Ahmad (22387)]

All the chains of transmission for this hadîth are weak and inauthentic, though some people have been overly lenient about it and declared it authentic by virtue of the many chains of transmission that it has.

Some people have used this hadîth to support their claim that the Mahdî is from the family of al-Abbâs and that the Mahdî is from of the Abbasid dynasty. There were Abbasid Caliphs who went by the name al-Mahdî.

The banners of the Abbasid State were black. It is not hard to see how this weak hadîth might have been fabricated or at least tampered with to support the Abbasid cause.

Islamtoday.Com - Army with black flags advancing from Khorasan

[LEGALEAGLE]

Originally Posted by Hanbali

Question: Are the hadîth about an army coming from Khorasan with black flags and entering Jerusalem authentic?

Answered by Sheikh Salman al-Oadah

The hadîth about the army with black banners coming out of Khorasan has two chains of transmission, but both are weak and cannot be authenticated. If a Muslim believes in this hadîth, he believes in something false. Anyone who cares about his religion and belief should avoid heading towards falsehood.

The hadîth is related on the authority of Thawbân that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “If you see the black banners coming from the direction of Khurasân, then go to them, even if you have to crawl, because among them will be Allah’s Caliph the Mahdî.” [Related by al-Hâkim (8572) and Ahmad (22387)]

All the chains of transmission for this hadîth are weak and inauthentic, though some people have been overly lenient about it and declared it authentic by virtue of the many chains of transmission that it has.

Some people have used this hadîth to support their claim that the Mahdî is from the family of al-Abbâs and that the Mahdî is from of the Abbasid dynasty. There were Abbasid Caliphs who went by the name al-Mahdî.

The banners of the Abbasid State were black. It is not hard to see how this weak hadîth might have been fabricated or at least tampered with to support the Abbasid cause.

Islamtoday.Com - Army with black flags advancing from Khorasan

Alternatively the Muslims of the Abbassid era were aware and believed in the hadith of the black flags from Khurasan.

Which shall I support ? The Muslims of the past who followed the advice of the Ulema because they knew that the hadith was Sahih or a Saudi stooge...

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by Hanbali

Question: Are the hadîth about an army coming from Khorasan with black flags and entering Jerusalem authentic?

Answered by Sheikh Salman al-Oadah

The hadîth about the army with black banners coming out of Khorasan has two chains of transmission, but both are weak and cannot be authenticated. If a Muslim believes in this hadîth, he believes in something false. Anyone who cares about his religion and belief should avoid heading towards falsehood.

The hadîth is related on the authority of Thawbân that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “If you see the black banners coming from the direction of Khurasân, then go to them, even if you have to crawl, because among them will be Allah’s Caliph the Mahdî.” [Related by al-Hâkim (8572) and Ahmad (22387)]

All the chains of transmission for this hadîth are weak and inauthentic, though some people have been overly lenient about it and declared it authentic by virtue of the many chains of transmission that it has.

Some people have used this hadîth to support their claim that the Mahdî is from the family of al-Abbâs and that the Mahdî is from of the Abbasid dynasty. There were Abbasid Caliphs who went by the name al-Mahdî.

The banners of the Abbasid State were black. It is not hard to see how this weak hadîth might have been fabricated or at least tampered with to support the Abbasid cause.

Islamtoday.Com - Army with black flags advancing from Khorasan

How does the ahadith chain being questionable necessarily mean it's false?

[bluey]

I have the utmost respect for Shaykh Salman Al Oadah, but a lot of Ulema cite that hadith as being sahih or use it in their lectures/speeches. Imam Anwar Al-Awlaki too used it in one of his lectures. I just think we need a bit more of clarification before that hadith is said to be false. Wa Allahu aa'lam.

[Hanbali]

Originally Posted by bluey

I have the utmost respect for Shaykh Salman Al Oadah, but a lot of Ulema cite that hadith as being sahih or use it in their lectures/speeches.

Sister, do they cite it as authentic or do they merely use it in their lectures/speeches?

Sometimes scholars will quote a hadeeth without knowing about its authenticity.

I just think we need a bit more of clarification before that hadith is said to be false. Wa Allahu aa'lam.

Even if we accept the hadeeth as being authentic, it does not at all prove their sectarian claims that it refers to the Taliban.

You know, during the Prophet's lifetime, they used to think that one man alive then was the dajjal. And each successive generation has always believed that these prophecies are imminent in their own generation.

A lot of people think that the world is about to end in our generation or children's generation, but this is mere speculation. Only Allah [swt] knows. It could be that the Muslims become a super-power again and dominate the West...and then the West comes back on top...and then the Muslims dominate again...and then the West dominates...it could happen seven or eight times or who knows how many times before the end of times comes.

Therefore, to claim that THIS particular group, i.e. the Taliban, are that army...well, that is just mere speculation and our religion is not based on mere speculation.

I really doubt that the Mahdi will come from within the ranks of a group (the Taliban) which is now allied with terrorists (Al-Qaeda).