[GOTFIVEONIT]

So last night I went down to Kinko's to send out a fax. One of the employee's was a young african-american male who noticed my allah cap i was wearing. He didnt know it said allah on it, but he recognized it as arabic. So he came up and asked me an interesting question. He said he heard that Arabic was the most numerical language in the world, and because if you look at the people who invented algebra etc. I said that arabic in itself is just a human language that developed like any other, and those early scientist and inventors of algebra were Muslim, and not all of them were arabs. I said that the Quran is numerical and that is the miracle of god, and before the Quran was revealed, the arab's were pagans who were living in ignorance. So then i asked him if he was somali, he said 'no, no' then i told him that he looks somali, he sorta smiled, and chuckled and said 'no, no im not somali', i think he took it as a compliment hehe. So then he started asking me about the similarities between the somali language and the arabic language. He said that someone he heard that arabic is the most numerical lanauge. I told him that it was that person's opinion but i wouldnt call it a fact. So then i showed him the 786 symbol and what it meant. He was shocked lol, his eyebrows stood up high. I guess i had answered his q by writing 786 down on a piece of paper. Then he said he had to get back to work and then told me he had heard louis farrakhan say that arabic is a numerical language. I replied 'he said that? well its his opinion'.

[Bluestar]

are you trying to convince us how you're so cool offline?

I don't think it's working....

[Hanbali]

The whole thing about Arabic, Islam, and the Quran being "numerical" and "mathematical" comes from the so-called "Nation of Islam", and this idea is especially popular amongst Five percenters.

It does not, however, have any basis in true Islam. Muslims should not delve into such matters.

As for 786, then that too has no basis and is made up.

[Unity]

Originally Posted by Hanbali

The whole thing about Arabic, Islam, and the Quran being "numerical" and "mathematical" comes from the so-called "Nation of Islam", and this idea is especially popular amongst Five percenters.

It does not, however, have any basis in true Islam. Muslims should not delve into such matters.

As for 786, then that too has no basis and is made up.

i thought that the Quran could be converted to #s
and 786 was a series of numbers that represented "in the nam of Allah"

[Hanbali]

Originally Posted by Unity

i thought that the Quran could be converted to #s
and 786 was a series of numbers that represented "in the nam of Allah"

Nope, and nope.

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by Bluestar

are you trying to convince us how you're so cool offline?

I don't think it's working....

will you just shut the hell up. serioiusly, if you nothing to say about the topic, then dont say anything at all. after all those are the rules of this website that your supposed to be enforcing, SO DONT GO OFF TOPIC.

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by Unity

i thought that the Quran could be converted to #s
and 786 was a series of numbers that represented "in the nam of Allah"

actually you are right, and much of the quran is mathematical and convertable into math such as 786. but what hanbali explained about the bean-pie selling 5% lol, and the N.O.I. makes alot of sense to me now. That's why i was completely confused by this guy's question. I kept wondering what is he talking about? Because one can argue that the Quran is mathematical, but a language is not. because the language was there loong before the Quran itself.

[SaidAbdullahofDarfur]

A lot of quran only people have come up with a lot of stuff about numerology and the quran...

I first dismissed it as some NOI, 5%, trash but then I found where they got it from...when you find the source it makes sense...

[Variable]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

I kept wondering what is he talking about? Because one can argue that the Quran is mathematical, but a language is not. because the language was there loong before the Quran itself.

Actually languages are fairly 'mathematical' in a way. I can't explain it very well, (read early Chomsky for that). I used to think that was just a metaphor, but deciphering human syntax is extremely similar to solving mathematical equations.

(speaking of, Muslims didn't 'invent' algebra per se... one Persian guy did some decisive work on it is all)

[Hanbali]

Originally Posted by SaidAbdullahofDarfur

A lot of quran only people have come up with a lot of stuff about numerology and the quran...

I first dismissed it as some NOI, 5%, trash but then I found where they got it from...when you find the source it makes sense...

The NOI doesn't get the mathematics stuff from Quran-only people. Their beliefs about numerology are completely different, and even...stupider. Read "The Supreme Wisdom Lessons" by W.D. Fard, and you will see what i mean. It is nothing at all like the Submitter crap.

[Jamroll]

The numerical theories originated from the mystical Arab Jewish influence at the time of the early Muslims. The Jewish rabbis had developed theories of numerical patterns in their own scriptures so they suggested the same to the Muslims. If I remember correctly it originated from the debate into what the single letters at the start of some surahs mean (e.g. Alif Lam Meem, Alif Lam Raa, etc).

[Bluestar]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

will you just shut the hell up. serioiusly, if you nothing to say about the topic, then dont say anything at all. after all those are the rules of this website that your supposed to be enforcing, SO DONT GO OFF TOPIC.

It's not against forum rules to go off topic. You should take these things as a joke and not get so worked up about it. It's easier on your heart.

[SaidAbdullahofDarfur]

Originally Posted by Variable

Actually languages are fairly 'mathematical' in a way. I can't explain it very well, (read early Chomsky for that). I used to think that was just a metaphor, but deciphering human syntax is extremely similar to solving mathematical equations.

(speaking of, Muslims didn't 'invent' algebra per se... one Persian guy did some decisive work on it is all)

>_> A muslim invented algebra.

nuff said.

maybe not enough was said...

The persian guy you speak of was muslim. He created the system,
and
Made a book called Al-Kitāb al-mukhtaṣar fī hīsāb al-ğabr wa’l-muqābala
The Compendious Book on Calculation by Completion and Balancing

[bihari]

Originally Posted by Hanbali

Nope, and nope.

786, meaning 'bismillah hir rahman nir rahim', is based on an arbitrary number system in which certain letters are assigned certain numbers (its based on some arabic sentence, in which the first letter is '1', second is '2', etc....) so using these numbers, the total numbers in 'bismillah hir rahman nir rahim' adds up to 786

ill try to find that particular phrase

[Bluestar]

Can 007 mean 'muslim'?