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As if our youth didn’t have enough distractions and bad habits readily available to pick up, we now have the hookah fad. Step aside cigarette smoking, there’s something cooler in town (for our youth to destroy their bodies with)! Different flavors, different settings, a “Muslim export”… how cool is that?Actually not cool at all. And what’s worse is that some Muslims are actually promoting this lifestyle.

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Isn't the hookah worse than cigarettes?
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Again...

I still don't see the point of shisha. Like the couple of times I did it, I didn't feel anything and didn't get any flavour either.

I know people who do it religiously and actually need it to calm down or something (it's especially helpful before exams, apparently), so I guess there is a point that I just wasn't getting.

Maybe I was doing it wrong?

Can you get addicted to shisha?


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Isn't the hookah worse than cigarettes?
It is. Read the article.
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I know people who do it religiously and actually need it to calm down or something (it's especially helpful before exams, apparently), so I guess there is a point that I just wasn't getting.
What?? Who smokes for religious reasons? That's plain outrageous!
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What?? Who smokes for religious reasons? That's plain outrageous!
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What?? Who smokes for religious reasons? That's plain outrageous!
in this context 'religious' means 'persistant'
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i don't smoke hookah or cigarettes, but personaly i dont think either is haram. haram things are those which are specifically mentioned in the quran or sahih hadiths. all other things can be classified, at most, as makruh
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Salaams,

The way cigarettes can and do lead people to smoking crack, joint and what not... shisha can also, IMO, lead people to cigarettes.

I get angry at how hijabis and beardos get fooled by this deception that is sheesha. Recently saw a married niqabi lady doing it ... just think of the bad impression it would be for kids !!!

How sad...
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Found this on amjaonline, this is regarding sheesha.

Its pretty self explanatory...he says it's haram. He basically says back in the day scholars were hesitant to say smoking tobacco was haram, but now, its a no brainer...

in rough terms

oh and he doesn't distinguish which is worse, just that they are haram, no reason to delve further i think.

AMJA ONLINE - Is Hookah (smooking Sheesha) permissible?

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Sheikh Hatem Mohammad Al-Haj Aly
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Assalamu alaykum, I was wondering if Hookah or Sheesha is permissible?
The youth here are very much into it and I was looking for some advice from the basis of Quran and Sunnah. Any prompt help would be much appreciated (there is actually a party here tomorrow where the youth will be engaging in this and I was hoping you could provide an answer before that).
Jazak Allah khayr
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Dear brother,
Smoking all kinds of tobacco in any form is forbidden (haram). This is for the consensus of sane humans on its harms and evils. The Messenger of Allah said:
�There should be neither harm nor reciprocation of harm.�
There used to be some controversy about its harms in the past, resulting in some earlier scholars (in the beginning of the twentieth century) hesitating to forbid it, but now, there is no more controversy amongst sane humans about its harms, and consequently, the ruling of its prohibition is established and confirmed.
It is also wasteful, and those who smoke waste their money on something that will bring disease and harm to their bodies. Allah said:
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�Surely the squanderers are the fellows of the Shaitans and the Shaitan is ever ungrateful to his Lord.� (al-Isra� 17:27)
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Haraam or Halaal..its still classless

Just saying.
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Water pipe smoking causes significant TB risk in Egypt

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Egyptians advised to either stop smoking pipe completely or bring own `shishas' to minimise health hazards.

CAIRO - The smoking of the traditional `shisha' water pipe is increasingly emerging as a significant health risk in Egypt, due to air-borne tuberculosis (TB) transmission from pipe sharing and uncontrolled, manual preparation of the pipe.

Rania Siam, professor of microbiology at the American University in Cairo (AUC), said the most important risk factor for TB infection was close household contact with a TB case, but she said water pipe smoking (WPS) and the sharing of the pipe with someone with pulmonary TB led to a great risk of TB transmission, especially among young adolescents.

"`Shisha' [smoking] is Egyptian culture, where people smoke tobacco and inhale directly from this device. If I smoke `shisha', some bacteria may reside in it. When you go to a fancy bar, they do change the mouthpiece, but what about the tube of the pipe? And the water? You still have water in the container where the bacteria resides," she said.

The World Health Organization (WHO) regional office in Cairo estimates that 17 percent of TB cases in the eastern Mediterranean are attributable to the smoking of water pipes.

According to the latest WHO statistics for Egypt, 31.6 in every 100,000 people had TB in 2005, and the rate of new TB cases that year was estimated at 25 per 100,000 people.

The WHO regional office said lack of TB control initiatives led to inadequate health care behaviour, affecting patients' diagnoses and treatment, and it therefore called for new public health care strategies.

Health Ministry statistics

Essam Moghazy, manager of the National Tuberculosis Control Programme (NTCP) at the Egyptian Ministry of Health, said the country's current case detection rate was 70 percent and that the treatment success rate was 87 percent. He said there were now lower rates of treatment interruptions among patients.

In contrast, Akihiro Seita, TB adviser at the WHO regional office, said the non-compliance of patients with, and non-adherence of physicians to, the recommended treatment regimens constituted a major challenge that sustained TB transmission.

WHO's Stop TB Strategy was launched in Egypt in 2006. The strategy focuses on DOTS (Directly Observed Treatment Short Course). This consists of six key components: political commitment with increased and sustainable financing; case detection through quality assured bacteriology; standardised treatment, with supervision and patient support; an effective drug supply and management system; monitoring and evaluation; and impact measurement.

NGO involvement

The NTCP is working with several NGOs to raise public awareness about TB, especially through TV and radio advertisements.

"We try to involve all health care providers, NGOs, health insurance organisations, prisons. In some sectors the collaboration is good and in some sectors it's bad. But with orientation meetings and workshops we hope to improve collaboration," the NTCP's Moghazy said.

But according to the WHO's Seita, there is only a limited contribution by NGOs and community-based organisations, leading to "low awareness in the community about the disease and inadequate health care behaviour".

One example of NGO involvement is Save the Children Egypt, which refers suspected cases to the country's Health Insurance Organisation for diagnosis and medical treatment, but does not run its own TB programme.

New strains

According to Amal Hussein of the Save the Children office in Minya, a major challenge is that in the last couple of years a new strain of the TB mycobacterium began to appear in Egypt. It causes enlargement of the intestal organs, stomach, lymphnode and abdomen to which the standard antibiotic treatment does not respond.

The AUC's Rania Siam said: "Every newborn child in Egypt gets Bacille Calmette Guerin (BCG) vaccine to protect it against TB. The emerging TB strains are now resistant to this vaccine, and to antibacterium available on the market. The problem is that the bacterium is mutating to survive."

There is a need for the development of new vaccine types and drugs to prevent infection from the emerging bacteria strains. "Lots of research is going on at the moment... in order to identify the prevalent strains and to find appropriate vaccines to fight the new strains," Siam said.

Curbing WPS

According to a 2005 article by the American Academy of Pediatrics, public health strategies for controlling WPS should focus on the implementation of new laws to limit the acquisition and use of water pipes, and better health education targeting adolescent smokers.

The WHO is currently implementing a Tobacco Free Initiative (TFI) in Egypt, to reduce WPS through tougher legislation and smoking cessation interventions.

In order to limit air borne TB transmission, Siam recommends that people either stop smoking the pipe completely or bring their own `shishas' to the bars to minimise health hazards. But Yahia Ali, an AUC mechanical engineering student, said the size of the `shisha' meant such an initiative was impracticable.
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