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The civil war and between separate Muslim factions in Iraq has left so many children orphaned, ed or just outright killed.

American troops, while trying to keep the peace in neighborhoods rooting out insurgents and lawbreakers, have often become saviors to the tiniest victims of war.

Baby Fatima Jubouri, not even a year old yet has lost her father, then gunmen killed her mother and uncle, she was hidden under rubbish in one of southern Baghdad's most violent districts until US troops were delivered the child from local police.

Reuters newservice described her as malnourished and suffering from dehydration in the summer heat. The U.S. military says Iraqi police rescued her from a garbage dumpster on June 25 in the mostly Sunni Arab district of Saidiya, where many residents are too afraid to venture out.

Reuters speculates that the baby was hidden before her mother was ed.

The child's story and survival has made baby Fatima a mini miracle and media star at a U.S. military hospital in Baghdad's Green Zone.

"She is a baby -- she is happiness in a bad place," said Lieutenant Beth Brauchli, the hospital's acting public affairs officer to Reuters.

The staff at the 28th Combat Support Hospital have been scheduling appointments for U.S. and other foreign television crews to visit their baby Fatima in the hope that her story will spark interest in an adoption.

Reuters reports that as in all wars, children are so vulnerable in Iraq's sectarian that has killed tens of thousands of people and made millions homeless.

It is reported that the British charity Oxfam claims at least 28 percent of Iraqi children are malnourished.

Baby Fatima's fate is worrisome, as the U.S. soldiers will have to return the infant to an orphanage to join her five siblings, according to Reuters.

"Every day we are waiting for the soldiers to come and take her to the orphanage. We are not pushing, because we know what the future could hold for her," said the ward's head nurse, Captain Nhan Ngo-Anderson, telling Reuters she had heard that efforts were being made to locate any extended family for these children.

After receiving adoption inquiries, the hospital's chief doctor made enquiries at the U.S. embassy, staff said. They replied that "Iraqi law does not currently permit full adoptions as they are currently understood in the United States".

A U.S. embassy official referred media inquiries to Iraq's Ministry of Labour and Social Affairs. Brauchli told Reuters that the staff caring for the baby were hoping that the media interest in Fatima would "create a loophole in the policy".

Reuters reports that adoption is not allowed in Muslim countries

Why is adoption not allowed?
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Why is adoption not allowed?
Basically to protect the baby's lineage (the last name isn't supposed to be changed).

Another reason is that if the baby gets adopted without knowing its parents, then if the parents get another son and the son meets the adopted baby when it grows up, then they get married not knowing they were siblings...well you know what would be the result...
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Basically to protect the baby's lineage (the last name isn't supposed to be changed).

Another reason is that if the baby gets adopted without knowing its parents, then if the parents get another son and the son meets the adopted baby when it grows up, then they get married not knowing they were siblings...well you know what would be the result...
ummmmmmmmmmmmm


This baby's family is dead, and the perps threw her in a garbage can. I think they can make an exception to your flimsy, "what if" nonsense explanation.
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Asalaamualaikum,

I'm not sure why adoption isnt allowed. Her father's name doesnt have to change, and she can be suckled by an adopted mother so that the adopted father can be a mehram to her. Are we sure it isnt allowed?

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Asalaamualaikum,

I'm not sure why adoption isnt allowed. Her father's name doesnt have to change, and she can be suckled by an adopted mother so that the adopted father can be a mehram to her. Are we sure it isnt allowed?

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I've never heard it wasnt until I read that last line. Thats why I was asking.
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From Sunnipath regarding adoption:
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In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful

Adopting a child, bringing it up, seeing to its education and training and being kind and good towards him/her is very virtuous and a commendable act. If the child is an orphan and has no support, then the reward is much more.

In a Hadith recorded by Imam al-Bukhari in his Sahih, the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and give him peace) said: “I and the guardian of the orphan will be in Paradise like this”, and the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) joined his index finger with his middle finger. Meaning that the one who looks after the orphan will be very close to the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) in Paradise.

This is an extremely neglected Sunnah of our beloved Prophet (Allah bless him & give him peace) and we should definitely encourage ourselves and others towards this direction.

However, it should always be kept in mind that according to Shariah, the lineage of the adopted child does not become established with the adoptive parents. Adoption of a child has no legal effect in Shariah. The child should not be attributed except to the natural parents, and not to those who have adopted him/her.

This is a fundamental principle and ruling laid down by the Holy Qura’n. The people in the days of ignorance (Jahiliyya) used to treat an adopted child as the real one in all aspects. The Qura’n condemned this practice with the following verse:

“And He (Allah) did not make your adopted sons your sons. That is only your speech by your mouths. And Allah guides you to the right path. Call them by (the names of) their (real) fathers. It is more just in the sight of Allah”. (Surah al-Ahzab,v:4, 5)

The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and give him peace) adopted the Companion Zaid ibn Haritha (Allah be pleased with him) and the other companions (Allah be pleased with them) initially referred to him as “Zaid ibn Muhammad.” When the abovementioned verse of the Qura’n was revealed, they reverted to calling him “Zaid ibn Haritha.”

In view of this important principle of Shariah, the following points need to be taken in to consideration:

1) Legal adoption is not permissible. This means that one cannot change the lineage of an adopted child and substitute the names of his real parents with adoptive parents. The child should always be attributed to the real parents so that it becomes common knowledge amongst the people who the real parents are.

2)If the adoptive mother breastfeeds the adopted child, then it becomes their foster child. In this case the child will be similar to the real children with regards to the Nikah and Hijab rules, i.e. the child can not marry the foster parent, neither any of the foster parent’s children. However with regards to inheritance, it will not inherit from the family.

3)If the adoptive mother does not breastfeed the adopted child, then the relationship of fosterage will not be established and the child will be classed as other children with regards to Nikah and Hijab. An adopted child can marry it’s adoptive parents and their children. Also if a male child is adopted by a woman, she will observe Hijab from him after he reaches the age of puberty and visa versa. The adopted child will also (after puberty) observe Hijab with the adoptive parent’s children.

4)An adopted child will not inherit from his adoptive parents and to regard an adopted child as a real child in the matter of inheritance is incorrect. However, it should be remembered that although the child cannot inherit from the adoptive parents, it is permissible, rather advisable to make a bequest in its favor in ones life time. This will for the child can be made up to one third of ones wealth, provided the child is not already included in the list of inheritors.

5)It is necessary to allow the adopted child to meet it’s real parents. Preventing him/her from meeting them and creating any obstacles will be considered as oppression.

6)Good behavior and conduct should be displayed towards the adopted children, especially if they are orphans. If a person cannot look after the adopted child in a proper manner, then he should not adopt, otherwise he will earn punishment rather than reward.

7)The wealth of the adopted child who has not yet reached puberty, should be kept safe. If there is a need to spend the money on the child then one can utilize the child’s money upon him. However it should be spent with extreme care and there should be no extravagance. Loans cannot be taken from the child’s money, nor can it be given in charity.

From the foregoing, all your queries should be answered, nevertheless here are the answers to your questions:

(1)Yes, the boy will be considered a brother to the children whose mother breast fed him, and therefore all the rules Nikah will apply.

(2)Yes, the boy will be a Mahram to the woman who breast fed her and thus Nikah with her or her children will be not allowed.

(3)No, the boy will not be a Mahram to the adoptive mother and will have to observe Hijab with her after reaching puberty and also the rules of Nikah will apply.

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As-salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaah,

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Asalaamualaikum,

I'm not sure why adoption isnt allowed. Her father's name doesnt have to change, and she can be suckled by an adopted mother so that the adopted father can be a mehram to her. Are we sure it isnt allowed?

Asalaamualaikum,

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In Islaam, adoption is of two types. There is the permissible and the forbidden. The forbidden is when the adopting parents consider the child to be their own. The Prophet Mohammad(saw) adoped a freed slave by the name of Zayd ibn Harithah. Over time, the boy began to be known as Zayd ibn Mohammad. Later, Allaah revealed an ayah in Surah Ahzab, saying : "nor has He made your adopted sons your real sons.". It was understood that you may call the adopted kid your own child but he has a different father, whose place you can never take. It was later explained as "a child cannot have two fathers just as a man cannot have two hearts in one body", so you cannot change the child's name or identity in any way to make it seem like he is your own.

The permissible kind of adoption is when the person is kind toward the child and gives him a good and religious upbringing. He teaches the child what is sound as well as what will be of benefit to him in this world and in the next. The reason that frustrates many people is that a child should be adopted locally, so that the child is not kept in a country as to where his religious commitment may be lost in the future. Its also very important that the person adopting a trustworthy and financially able to take care of the child.

Wa'Allaahu 'Alam

Was-Salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaah
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Asalaamualaikum,

Jazakallah khair iliketofish & A_Muminah for the clarifications.

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The issue is simple. You can adopt a child as long as you dont hide the child's lineage from him. Knowing the lineage is considered to be a birth right in Islam.
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The "adoption is not allowed" is probably more "the christian US military has decided not to try, and will instead hand the baby over to some christian aid organizaiton so it can be taken to the US and raised christian"
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Well I suppose saving one baby compared to the thousands they've killed is something special.

Bravo, let's all clap and show our appreciation.
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ummmmmmmmmmmmm


This baby's family is dead, and the perps threw her in a garbage can. I think they can make an exception to your flimsy, "what if" nonsense explanation.

There area four major things that the Shari'ah protects. One of them is Lineage. That should be a good enuf explanation in itself...
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it's wonderful that she was saved, but it seems like the media really did their best to spin this to make it look good for the troops. either way, i hope this baby grows up, marries, has kids, and becomes a good person throughout her life.

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I can't expect these 'kuffar' to be nice to children while they are everyday killing scores of children in the occupied Muslim countries. Most probably they will give the baby to christian aid as chotoomotoo said, and she will be raised as a christian.
Muslim 'extremists' can also do that, they can kill 500 'school children' in the USA and then adopt a baby from the survivors to get the 'pride of honour' from US Army.
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