[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by jinnzaman

I still don't see how believing in evolution is really an aqeedah issue?

That's because it's not. In the other thread even Nuh Keller said that evolution may or may not have happened. Islam doesn't have the fundamental problem with evolution that Christianity has, because the Quran doesn't give any details on the creation of the earth/universe/life.

The guy is also a holocaust denier.

[Hanbali]

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

The guy is also a holocaust denier.

So .......... ?

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by Hanbali

So .......... ?

It's really weird that ace and these guys are so in love with him. Ace and his friends have the strangest quran only interpretation, and are super liberal. Being enamored with a holocaust denier seems very out of character.

[Hanbali]

I just watched the video...it was 10 minutes long (!!!) ...felt like friggin forever...I was hitting my head against the wall while watching it because it was so boring...

Anyways, instead of watching that 10 minute long video, let me summarize it in one simple sentence that took them 10 minutes to say:

"There are no transitional fossils available which validate the claim of evolution."

My gosh, did it really take 10 minutes to say that!?!

And is that a nokia cell phone in her hand????

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by Hanbali

I just watched the video...it was 10 minutes long (!!!) ...felt like friggin forever...I was hitting my head against the wall while watching it because it was so boring...

Anyways, instead of watching that 10 minute long video, let me summarize it in one simple sentence that took them 10 minutes to say:

"There are no transitional fossils available which validate the claim of evolution."
My gosh, did it really take 10 minutes to say that!?!

And is that a nokia cell phone in her hand????

That claim is also false. There are in fact transitional fossils which validate the claims of evolution.

[zeyneddine]

Originally Posted by AceOfHearts

Fossils Have Discredited Evolution.

YouTube - FOSSILS HAVE DISCREDITED EVOLUTION

you have to be immensely stupid to believe evolution is a fallacy. you can observe evolution in organisms that have a shorter lifespan. even mutation in viruses is a form of evolution. bacteria evolves.

as for the islamic theological perspective, even quran lends credence to the evolutionary theory. the quran clearly states that all life began in water such as ayahs 21:30 and 24:45.

quran also states that man however is a special creation, such as ayahs 6:2 and 32:7

[Ugur]

Originally Posted by Hanbali

Hmm, actually his site denies that it's a team of writers. It says:

Originally Posted by Salika

Harun Yahya is a person but he has a team. He was supposed to speak at our university but the guy that came instead said Yahya could not come so he came in his stead. I think he even had a picture of him too...

As Salika says, Harun Yahya is one man but he has a team of assistants. His web site announcement does not negate this. As that announcement says, he authors all of his books himself, but, as he explains elsewhere in Turkish, his scientist assistants help him find the material to

Brother Jamroll, none of the legal charges against him have been proven. Similar charges have actually been made against such great personages of Turkey whose integrity cannot be questioned such as Fethullah Gulen too. These are all the Turkey part of a worldwide campaign to discredit whoever works for Islam. The Turkey branch of this campaign has been a very very fierce one. May Allah punish and send to hell the makers of all this propaganda very soon. They hurt the several million-strong "Islamic section" of Turkey too terribly especially between 1995 and 2002. The campaign against Adnan Oktar was a part of this campaign. Alhamdulillah since AK Party became the ruling party in 2002, they have been much less strong and much less capable of doing evil. Between 1995 and 2002, they silently killed some Muslim activists too but covered up their crimes.

It is a shame that some Muslims, as can be seen on Islamica, believe everything that is said against Muslims in kafir and munafiq news media. These guys that you trust in their allegations against Muslims mostly do not believe in God and the Hereafter. Therefore, they do not think that there will come the day when they will pay for the blatant, shameless lies that they utter against innocent people. Hence they usually tell lies and rarely tell the truths.

Some poor Islamicans. They think they are being objective if they unquestioningly believe everything said by the dishonest kafir media, the Darwinist establishment etc. But all they do is to buy the lies that the kafir and munafiq proponents of the "Dajjal"ic world order constantly tell people.

[Ugur]

By the way, I am sorry for thinking that Harun Yahya may be thinking he is the mahdi. I have just read an interview with Harun Yahya in Turkish. To translate, Harun Yahya/Adnan Oktar says: "I do clearly say: I have no such claim (to being a mahdi.) Actually, being the Mahdi is not something that someone can claim. One cannot be the mahdi through effort, struggle, hard work."

(Ben de açıkça söylüyorum, benim böyle bir iddiam yok. Mehdilik ayrıca bir iddia değildir. Gayret etmekle çalışmakla, mehdi olunmaz. Profesörlük gibi değildir, mehdilik. Mehdi yaratılmak lazım. Kaderde olması lazım. Mesela "ben İsa olacağım" demekle İsa olunmaz. "Hazreti Muhammed olmak istiyorum" deyip, Hazreti Muhammed olunmaz.)

[Ugur]

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

It's really weird that ace and these guys are so in love with him. Ace and his friends have the strangest quran only interpretation, and are super liberal. Being enamored with a holocaust denier seems very out of character.

Oh My God, he does not only deny evolution but denies Holocaust too! So un-Islamic and against Qur'an, as we know that Allah says "believe in evolution and the holocaust" in his messages to us! Every Muslim knows that the Zionists, the American government and the Darwinist establishment are the most reliable and sincere and beloved servants of Allah because they do not believe in Him and His Judgement Day. Verily those who do not believe in Allah and do not fear to be punished for their dishonesty in a Judgement Day are the most reliable servants of Allah and we must assist them in their attacks against Muslims!

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by Ugur

Oh My God, he does not only deny evolution but denies Holocaust too! So un-Islamic and against Qur'an, as we know that Allah says "believe in evolution and the holocaust" in his messages to us! Every Muslim knows that the Zionists, the American government and the Darwinist establishment are the most reliable and sincere and beloved servants of Allah because they do not believe in Him and His Judgement Day. Verily those who do not believe in Allah and do not fear to be punished for their dishonesty in a Judgement Day are the most reliable servants of Allah and we must assist them in their attacks against Muslims!

Boy, you really hate me don't you. You even make up things.

What does darwin have to do with any of this? Do you even know what darwinism is?

"Darwinism designates a distinctive form of evolutionary explanation for the history and diversity of life on earth. Its original formulation is provided in the first edition of On the Origin of Species in 1859. This entry first formulates ‘Darwin's Darwinism’ in terms of five philosophically distinctive themes: (i) probability and chance, (ii) the nature, power and scope of selection, (iii) adaptation and teleology, (iv) nominalism vs. essentialism about species and (v) the tempo and mode of evolutionary change. Both Darwin and his critics recognized that his approach to evolution was distinctive on each of these topics, and it remains true that, though Darwinism has developed in many ways unforeseen by Darwin, its proponents and critics continue to differentiate it from other approaches in evolutionary biology by focusing on these themes. This point is illustrated in the second half of the entry by looking at current debates in the philosophy of evolutionary biology on these five themes, with a special focus on Stephen Jay Gould's The Structure of Evolutionary Theory. "

Darwinism (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

I never made a judement on the matter. All I said, which is true, is that he's a holocaust denier, and that it seems strange for really liberal people to support a holocaust denier. Most super liberals I know are the first to proclaim the suffering of the Jews in the holocaust. That's all I said. YOU said the rest.

[Ugur]

Let's say the materialist-evolutionist establishment then to go around your word game.

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by Ugur

Let's say the materialist-evolutionist establishment then to go around your word game.

It's not my word game. These are definitions.

I said it before in another thread. Science is what it is. It is wholey unscientific to take science and try to use it to logically prove something wholey unscientific, such as the existance, or non-existance of God. In this way, both athiests and creationist ID sympathizers are being unethical.

[Jamroll]

Originally Posted by Ugur

Brother Jamroll, none of the legal charges against him have been proven. Similar charges have actually been made against such great personages of Turkey whose integrity cannot be questioned such as Fethullah Gulen too. These are all the Turkey part of a worldwide campaign to discredit whoever works for Islam. The Turkey branch of this campaign has been a very very fierce one. May Allah punish and send to hell the makers of all this propaganda very soon. They hurt the several million-strong "Islamic section" of Turkey too terribly especially between 1995 and 2002. The campaign against Adnan Oktar was a part of this campaign. Alhamdulillah since AK Party became the ruling party in 2002, they have been much less strong and much less capable of doing evil. Between 1995 and 2002, they silently killed some Muslim activists too but covered up their crimes.

Okay, thanks bro, that's good to know. I had suspected it might have been a smear campaign to discredit him and his work, but I just wanted some more information on it.

[sally]

dammit evolution. i used to love birds. then i learned their ancestors are reptiles. REPTILES. and birds..SUCH INNOCENT CREATURES? how dare you

now i can never look at a bird the same way again.

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by sally

dammit evolution. i used to love birds. then i learned their ancestors are reptiles. REPTILES. and birds..SUCH INNOCENT CREATURES? how dare you

now i can never look at a bird the same way again.

I was watching a show on dinosaurs the other day, and they were activating genes in different orders in chickens. They got chickens to grow dinosaur tails, scales, and even got the wings to shrink to look more like dinosaur hands. It was really