[Ugur]

Originally Posted by hijabihoodlum

he is not an islamic scholar.

You are right. He should be called just an Islamic "writer" and is certainly not a scholar.

[Variable]

Originally Posted by Ugur

But tying this evolution to random natural events rather than to addition of genetic information by a conscious intelligence is a philosophical, ideological assumption and need not define science. It is not an "empirically established fact" either. I know this is not what most scientists want to say, but I have the right to disagree, pointing at the mentality and bias that is antagonistic to religion, that dominated the universities and the scientific community of the modern period. This mentality prevents these people from keeping scientifically objective about anything and everything, especially regarding an ideologically very hot and serious point of debate.

See I don't think that what you described is what defines science. It may sometimes define a scientific community (which is made up of people, fully open to bias and prejudice). But I don't even see this in this case... even if some scientists display a casual arrogance towards the suggestion that God has anything to do with it. That has nothing to do with the science - which simply describes what can be observed and tested, leaving broader interpretations open.

Quite frankly I couldn't care less if Christians don't believe in dinosaurs, or if the Cree believe we were created from the Earth Mother and the Thunderbird. Really I only have a problem with it when people decide that those observations and ideas that come from them contravene their religious sensibilities and demand their own version (not based on science) be taught to kids in school. Or when people call others 'stupid' for believing their own thing.

I don't want any church member or otherwise teaching my kids their own version of 'science', nor do I want a scientist teaching them that God doesn't exist based on something that doesn't resemble science either.

[ChotooMotoo]

This is the third or fourth thread they've created. Every time we show them how they are wrong, they get upset, leave, and start a new thread with the same arguments.

[Hanbali]

Originally Posted by Ugur

About Harun Yahya: I am suspicious of him too. There are signs that he may be thinking he is the "mahdi" because he has served Islam very immensely according to himself. Although I hope this worry proves to be unnecessary, I want to state that I do have such a worry.

So someone who thinks that he has served Islam immensely must be considering himself the Mahdi?

Do you have proof of your allegation against Haroon Yahya, i.e. that he considers himself the Mahdi?

If not, then I think it's best to remain silent, bro.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by Hanbali

So someone who thinks that he has served Islam immensely must be considering himself the Mahdi?

Do you have proof of your allegation against Haroon Yahya, i.e. that he considers himself the Mahdi?

If not, then I think it's best to remain silent, bro.

Harun Yahya isn't one man, its a team of writers. Even so the main guy is considered the mahdi by others not by himself.

[Ugur]

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

This is the third or fourth thread they've created. Every time we show them how they are wrong, they get upset, leave, and start a new thread with the same arguments.

Yeah really? This shows how carefully you follow the discussion mashallah.

[Hanbali]

Originally Posted by Revert

Harun Yahya isn't one man, its a team of writers.

Are you serious? It's not one guy? So when I see 'written by haroon yahya', that could be any one of a bunch of guys?

Man, I just went to the site, and you guys are not joking: it's creepy.

[Jamroll]

I've just read something which says Adnan Oktar (the man behind "Harun Yahya") and other senior members of his organisation are under investigation for serious crimes, including embezzlement, fraud, intimidation of business rivals and intercourse with minors. From what I could tell, it was written by an uber-secular source, but anyone know if there is any truth to this?

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by Jamroll

I've just read something which says Adnan Oktar (the man behind "Harun Yahya") and other senior members of his organisation are under investigation for serious crimes, including embezzlement, fraud, intimidation of business rivals and intercourse with minors. From what I could tell, it was written by an uber-secular source, but anyone know if there is any truth to this?

i think he beat the charges, but he could have been indicted again (his group is a cult so alot of what they do is secretive)

the dude does have a very pedo look to him



wouldnt surprise me at all

[Hanbali]

Hmm, actually his site denies that it's a team of writers. It says:

ABOUT THE WORKS OF THE AUTHOR

How is it possible that one individual can write so many books? Harun Yahya writes his books with the knowledge imparted to him by Allah. Contrary to some people's assumptions, while writing his books, the author does not receive assistance from a group of people or make team-work. Where on earth has a book ever been written by a committee? If there were such a way of writing books, then the hundreds of Muslim professors, scientists and organisations in the world should have come together to undertake such a task. Yet no such method has ever been seen. When did anyone ever witness professors from a divinity faculty come together and bring out one book? So how could it be claimed that hundreds of books are brought out by a committee?


Furthermore, the works of Harun Yahya do not consist of such technical subjects as chemistry, physics, biology and the like. In addition to the information they impart, each one of the author's works contain wise and unique explanations that have a profound effect on people of all ages and societies.


It must not be forgotten that the presence of a single style in a work shows that it was written by one person and is the product of a single pen. When one examines each of the hundreds of works by Harun Yahya the style common to all books, logical cohesion and explicatory style in them can all be seen as proof of this.

[Hanbali]

It seems that he doesn't speak Arabic. All of the questions they answer his website seem to be guilt-ridden answers. Like this:

ABOUT THE WORKS OF THE AUTHOR Does Harun Yahya know Arabic? How does he interpret the verses? Harun Yahya does have knowledge of Arabic. In addition, however, there is a team who translates the works of Harun Yahya into some 20 languages, including Arabic. This team offers him assistance with translation on all matters during the preparation of the books.

[Salika]

Harun Yahya is a person but he has a team. He was supposed to speak at our university but the guy that came instead said Yahya could not come so he came in his stead. I think he even had a picture of him too...

[Hanbali]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

the dude does have a very pedo look to him

I think he looks like a pretty slick fashion designer kinda guy.

[jinnzaman]

I still don't see how believing in evolution is really an aqeedah issue?

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by Hanbali

I think he looks like a pretty slick fashion designer kinda guy.

we're pretty much saying the same thing