[AliFazel]

The Prophet - Allah bless and greet him - said: "I forbade you to visit the graves but [now] do visit them!"

as part of a longer hadith: from Burayda by Muslim, al-Tirmidhi (hasan sahîh), Abu Dawud, al-Nasa'i, `Abd al-Razzaq (3:569), and others; from Abu Sa`id al-Khudri by Ahmad with a chain of sound narrators as stated by al-Haythami (3:58), Malik, al-Hakim (1990 ed. 1:530) who declared it sound by Muslim's criterion, al-Bayhaqi in al-Sunan al-Kubra (4:77 #6984), and al-Bazzar with a chain of sound narrators as stated by al-Haythami (3:58); from Ibn Mas`ud by Ibn Majah, al-Daraqutni in his Sunan (4:259), `Abd al-Razzaq (3:572-573), Ibn Hibban (3:261), al-Hakim (1990 ed. 1:531), and al-Bayhaqi in al-Sunan al-Kubra (4:77 #6983) all with weak chains according to al-Arna'ut; from Anas by Ahmad and al-Bazzar with chains containing al-Harith ibn Nabhan who is weak according to al-Haythami (4:27), al-Hakim (1990 ed. 1:531-532), and al-Bayhaqi in al-Sunan al-Kubra (4:77 #6984).

`A'isha visited came to Mecca after her brother's death saying, "Where is the grave of my brother?" Then she came to the grave and prayed over him, a month after his death.7 Another version states that Ibn Abi Mulayka said: "`A'isha's brother died six miles away from Makka, so we carried him until we reached Makka and buried him there. `A'isha came to us after that and reproached us for doing so. Then she said: `Where is the grave of my brother?' We showed it to her and she alighted in her howdah and prayed at his grave."

Narrated by `Abd al-Razzaq (3:518) and Ibn `Abd al-Barr in al-Tamhid
(6:261).

`A'isha asked: "What should I say, O Messenger of Allah [at al-Baqi`]?" He replied: "Say: `Greeting to you, O people of the abodes among the men and women believers! May Allah grant mercy to those of you and us who went ahead and those who tarried back! Truly we shall - if Allah wills – join up with you.'"

Narrated as part of a longer hadith by Muslim and al-Nasa'i.


Another version states: "Whoever wants to visit the graves [may],
truly they remind of the hereafter.


Part of a longer hadith narrated from Burayda by al-Nasa'i.

Imam Ja`far al-Sadiq narrated with his chain from al-Hasan ibn `Ali that Fatima the daughter of the Prophet - Allah bless and greet him -- may Allah be well-pleased with all of them! - used to visit the grave of her uncle Hamza ibn `Abd al-Muttalib every Jumu`a21 and she used to pray and weep there.22 Another version adds that she had marked the grave with a rock in order to recognize it.


Al-Athram and Ibn `Abd al-Barr narrated it as mentioned by al-Qurtubi in his Tafsir (10:381); also `Abd al-Razzaq (3:574) with a very weak chain because of al-Asbagh ibn Nubata, who is discarded (matrûk) as a narrator.

The women wept over Ruqiyya - Allah be well-pleased with her! – when she died, so `Umar tried to forbid them but the Messenger of Allah – Allah bless and greet him - said, "Wait, O `Umar!" Then he said: "[Women,] beware of the devil's croaking! As long as it comes from the eye and the heart, it is coming from mercy; and as long as it comes from the tongue and the hand,24 it is coming from Satan." Whereupon, Fatima began to weep over the grave of Ruqiyya and the Prophet - Allah bless and greet him - was wiping her tears from her face with his hand - or, the narrator said, his sleeve.

Narrated from Ibn `Abbas by al-Bayhaqi in al-Sunan al-Kubra (4:70 #6946) with a chain containing `Ali ibn Zayd ibn Jud`an al-Taymi who is weak, but al-Bayhaqi considers it sound as it is confirmed by established narrations.


“Whoever invokes blessings upon me at my grave I hear him and whoever invokes blessings on me from afar, I am informed about it"

Man salla ‘alayya ‘inda qabri sami‘tuhu wa man salla na’iyan bullightuhu.



Com’on guys - It is extremely difficult to believe that visiting the grave –or praying there for the deceased is biddah. --- And this is not a shia web site -- > http://www.bringbackjustice.com/TheProphetIsAlive.pdf

[Hanbali]

Originally Posted by AliFazel

Com’on guys - It is extremely difficult to believe that visiting the grave –or praying there for the deceased is biddah.

Nobody said anything against visiting the graveyard. Rather, our discussion was about the issue of making a pilgrimage to visit a grave. The ahadeeth you have posted do not support your argument that it is permissible to make pilgrimage to visit a grave. Rather, we say that it is permissible to visit a grave if one is in the area already, such as when Prophet Muhammad (s) passed by his mother's grave WHILST on the way to another place.

In regards to visiting the grave, then we say that this falls into two categories, the permissible and the forbidden:

The Permissible:

This is to visit the graves in order to make du`a FOR the deceased, praying for mercy for them, remembering death, and preparing oneself for the Hereafter.

The Forbidden:

This is to visit the graves in order to for the purpose of calling upon their occupants, seeking their help, offering sacrifices to them and making vows to them. This is forbidden and is a major form of shirk (shirk akbar) or leads to shirk. Connected to this is the practice of visiting graves to offer du'a, asking THEM to make du`as for us, perform salah and read Quran there. This is all bid'ah and is not prescribed in Islam.

With regard to praying (performing salah) at a grave, then the only prayer that is permitted is salat al-janaazah, not fardh or naafil prayers which are forbidden to pray. And it is known that salat al-janaazah differs from other prayers, in that we do not do ruku, sajdah, etc.

[TrentReznor858]

Originally Posted by Hanbali

Nobody said anything against visiting the graveyard. Rather, our discussion was about the issue of making a pilgrimage to visit a grave. The ahadeeth you have posted do not support your argument that it is permissible to make pilgrimage to visit a grave. Rather, we say that it is permissible to visit a grave if one is in the area already, such as when Prophet Muhammad (s) passed by his mother's grave WHILST on the way to another place.

In regards to visiting the grave, then we say that this falls into two categories, the permissible and the forbidden:

The Permissible:

This is to visit the graves in order to make du`a FOR the deceased, praying for mercy for them, remembering death, and preparing oneself for the Hereafter.

The Forbidden:

This is to visit the graves in order to for the purpose of calling upon their occupants, seeking their help, offering sacrifices to them and making vows to them. This is forbidden and is a major form of shirk (shirk akbar) or leads to shirk. Connected to this is the practice of visiting graves to offer du'a, asking THEM to make du`as for us, perform salah and read Quran there. This is all bid'ah and is not prescribed in Islam.

With regard to praying (performing salah) at a grave, then the only prayer that is permitted is salat al-janaazah, not fardh or naafil prayers which are forbidden to pray. And it is known that salat al-janaazah differs from other prayers, in that we do not do ruku, sajdah, etc.

You are just getting technical with the terms. The prophet also said you could pray just about anywhere on earth. Taking the time and the effort to go to someone's grave and believing that it is going to have an effect on the dua's you make while praying at the grave site is the issue.

[Hanbali]

Originally Posted by TrentReznor858

You are just getting technical with the terms. The prophet also said you could pray just about anywhere on earth.

The Prophet (s) said:

“All the earth is a mosque except for the graveyards and bathrooms.”

(Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 317; Ibn Maajah, 745; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Ibn Maajah, 606).

And he (s) said:

“May Allaah curse the Jews and the Christians, for they have taken the graves of their Prophets as places of worship.”

(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 435; Muslim, 529).

Taking the time and the effort to go to someone's grave and believing that it is going to have an effect on the dua's you make while praying at the grave site is the issue.

Yes, that is also an issue.

[AliFazel]

Originally Posted by Hanbali

The Prophet (s) said:

“May Allaah curse the Jews and the Christians, for they have taken the graves of their Prophets as places of worship.”

(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 435; Muslim, 529).

Yes, that is also an issue.

We need to use our commonsense as well

What does the above mean? <"they have taken the graves of their Prophets as places of worship">

Worshiping prophets? OR Worshiping Allah?

If they use it to worship the prophets - its certainly wrong.

BUT if they worship AllaH (SWT) - and people who make a big fuss about it are are no different from those who apply the law without understanding.

Remember this is Hadith we are talking about.

[TrentReznor858]

Originally Posted by AliFazel

We need to use our commonsense as well

What does the above mean? <"they have taken the graves of their Prophets as places of worship">

Worshiping prophets? OR Worshiping Allah?

If they use it to worship the prophets - its certainly wrong.

BUT if they worship AllaH (SWT) - and people who make a big fuss about it are are no different from those who apply the law without understanding.

Remember this is Hadith we are talking about.

Obviously, if they say they are worshiping prophets then they are not muslim.

[Hanbali]

Originally Posted by AliFazel

We need to use our commonsense as well

What does the above mean? <"they have taken the graves of their Prophets as places of worship">

Worshiping prophets? OR Worshiping Allah?

If they use it to worship the prophets - its certainly wrong.

BUT if they worship AllaH (SWT) - and people who make a big fuss about it are are no different from those who apply the law without understanding.

Remember this is Hadith we are talking about.

No, the wording of the Prophet [s] makes it very clear:

"for they have taken the graves of their Prophets as places of worship" instead of simply "do not worship me".

As well as the explicit statement by the Prophet [s] which is that:

“All the earth is a mosque except for the graveyards and bathrooms.”

So do you think that you can pray in the bathroom so long as you don't worship the toilet?

[Jamroll]

AliFazel, bro, I think you're conflating a number of issues here, which is creating confusion:

One is the issue of visiting graves. There is no dispute or disagreement whatsoever with visiting a grave. You go to a grave, pay your respects. There is no harm in this and only a person with an extremely hardened heart would have a problem with this.

However, embarking on a journey purely for the purpose of going to someone's grave to seek barakah from their grave, because they were pious, upstanding, etc is where the disagreement lies.


Second, most people, I would say probably all, have no issue with going to a grave and supplicating (making du'a) to Allah for the people who's grave it is. We send salams on them and pray Allah to ease their suffering.

However, the hadiths you posted which say that such-and-such Companion went to a grave and "prayed" there is talking about supplicating (making du'a), as described above, and not reading namaz. There is a big difference.

[AliFazel]

Originally Posted by Hanbali

No, the wording of the Prophet [s] makes it very clear:

"for they have taken the graves of their Prophets as places of worship" instead of simply "do not worship me".

As well as the explicit statement by the Prophet [s] which is that:

“All the earth is a mosque except for the graveyards and bathrooms.”

So do you think that you can pray in the bathroom so long as you don't worship the toilet?

Originally Posted by Jamroll

AliFazel, bro, I think you're conflating a number of issues here, which is creating confusion:

One is the issue of visiting graves. There is no dispute or disagreement whatsoever with visiting a grave. You go to a grave, pay your respects. There is no harm in this and only a person with an extremely hardened heart would have a problem with this.

However, embarking on a journey purely for the purpose of going to someone's grave to seek barakah from their grave, because they were pious, upstanding, etc is where the disagreement lies.


Second, most people, I would say probably all, have no issue with going to a grave and supplicating (making du'a) to Allah for the people who's grave it is. We send salams on them and pray Allah to ease their suffering.

However, the hadiths you posted which say that such-and-such Companion went to a grave and "prayed" there is talking about supplicating (making du'a), as described above, and not reading namaz. There is a big difference.

Brother - I completely agree with you on what you have put forward in your above post. -So there is no confusion.

(I don’t know you will agree with me) but what I see, is that - we have people who read a Hadith and blow it up out of all proportion - without checking the authenticity of the Hadith. They don’t know that, when they put forward one Hadith, there are 20 or so Hadiths that contradict it.

Also we have people who fanatically, shout out, the ruling of Ulemah – saying so-and-so said this and so-and-so said that, like they are supporting of football team.

And we have some who do not realize that - A Hadith has to go with the ruling of the Qur’an - One cannot say, this is NOT in Qur’an BUT it is mentioned in Hadith.

People do not realize that Hadith has to compute with Logics - because Islam is logic - Truth is logic. - And the checking of authenticity of Hadith is conducted with logics. (i.e. process we refer to as the science of Hadith)

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Our original subject of this thread was unity of Muslims on common ground.

This discussion greatly contributes to it

In your above post you mentioned – ‘However, the hadiths you posted which say that such-and-such Companion went to a grave and "prayed" there is talking about supplicating (making du'a), as described above, and not reading namaz. There is a big difference.’

I have come across this too, i.e. that praying Namaz at a grave side is forbidden. I fail to see the reasoning behind this. I do not like to accept this until some person proves to me. My doubts on this is based on the grounds that ‘if you are allowed to recite Qur’an – OR chapter of Qur’an (i.e. People recite Sura Yasin) So why should prayer of two rakats for the thawab of the deceased be forbidden.

IS THER A CONSPIRACY BY SOME ENEMIES OF ISLAM WHO SEEK TO DESTROY ISLAM BY SLOWLY ERODING THE RESPECT AND STATUS OF PROPHET (SAW) IN THE ISLAMIC WORLD?

1) First they try to prevent us from visiting the graves of prophet (saw) and the martyrs of Islam by saying – visiting the graves and undertaking a journey for this purpose is forbidden. Those who stand recite salutations are beaten and driven away

[b] Secondly, they say Prophet is like us, (like you and me) - He is dead forget him --- You should attach to Allah only.[b] They say, using Prophet (saw) as intermediately is termed biddah – What is the difference in asking friends to dua for you and asking Prophet (saw) to intermediate for you.

Does not the Qur’an recomend sending salutations to him. i.e. don’t forget him. He is important, his character, piety, devotion and love are examples for you.

Muslim unity is necessary not because of attacks from outside BUT because of the attacks from inside

Please check the following links.

Save Al-Hijaz from cultural and historical destruction
The Destruction and Desecration of Makkah
The Destruction and Desecration of Makkah and Madina's Historical Sites

[Hanbali]

Originally Posted by AliFazel

Brother - I completely agree with you on what you have put forward in your above post. -So there is no confusion.

(I don’t know you will agree with me) but what I see, is that - we have people who read a Hadith and blow it up out of all proportion - without checking the authenticity of the Hadith. They don’t know that, when they put forward one Hadith, there are 20 or so Hadiths that contradict it.

Also we have people who fanatically, shout out, the ruling of Ulemah – saying so-and-so said this and so-and-so said that, like they are supporting of football team.

And we have some who do not realize that - A Hadith has to go with the ruling of the Qur’an - One cannot say, this is NOT in Qur’an BUT it is mentioned in Hadith.

People do not realize that Hadith has to compute with Logics - because Islam is logic - Truth is logic. - And the checking of authenticity of Hadith is conducted with logics. (i.e. process we refer to as the science of Hadith)

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Our original subject of this thread was unity of Muslims on common ground.

This discussion greatly contributes to it

In your above post you mentioned – ‘However, the hadiths you posted which say that such-and-such Companion went to a grave and "prayed" there is talking about supplicating (making du'a), as described above, and not reading namaz. There is a big difference.’

I have come across this too, i.e. that praying Namaz at a grave side is forbidden. I fail to see the reasoning behind this. I do not like to accept this until some person proves to me. My doubts on this is based on the grounds that ‘if you are allowed to recite Qur’an – OR chapter of Qur’an (i.e. People recite Sura Yasin) So why should prayer of two rakats for the thawab of the deceased be forbidden.

IS THER A CONSPIRACY BY SOME ENEMIES OF ISLAM WHO SEEK TO DESTROY ISLAM BY SLOWLY ERODING THE RESPECT AND STATUS OF PROPHET (SAW) IN THE ISLAMIC WORLD?

1) First they try to prevent us from visiting the graves of prophet (saw) and the martyrs of Islam by saying – visiting the graves and undertaking a journey for this purpose is forbidden. Those who stand recite salutations are beaten and driven away

[b] Secondly, they say Prophet is like us, (like you and me) - He is dead forget him --- You should attach to Allah only.[b] They say, using Prophet (saw) as intermediately is termed biddah – What is the difference in asking friends to dua for you and asking Prophet (saw) to intermediate for you.

Does not the Qur’an recomend sending salutations to him. i.e. don’t forget him. He is important, his character, piety, devotion and love are examples for you.

Muslim unity is necessary not because of attacks from outside BUT because of the attacks from inside

Please check the following links.

Save Al-Hijaz from cultural and historical destruction
The Destruction and Desecration of Makkah
The Destruction and Desecration of Makkah and Madina's Historical Sites

You talk from two sides of your mouth.

You call towards unity but notice where you say "Muslim unity is necessary not because of attacks from outside BUT because of attacks from the inside."

And then you post links against the Hanbalis, i.e. salafiyyah. Then would you say that we too call for "Muslim unity" in order to repel the shias, i.e. the threat from the inside, as you say.

We call towards Tawheed and you call towards shirk.

So on the one hand we have those people who call towards Tawheed, who remove the shrines and structures that are above graves. Whereas on the other hand we have those who crawl for miles on their stomachs, just to visit the shrines and make to do Shirk.

It is a part of our faith to raze shrines to the ground and level the graves. Maybe the westerners will cry about this, and cry about how 'historical buildings' are being removed, but we say that this is a part of the removal of shirk, and our religion is not about buildings. It is about worshiping the One God, transcendent above the skies, Who cannot be removed.

Shaykh Muhammad Salih al-Munajjid says:


“Islam forbids erecting structures over graves, and commands that any such structures should be knocked down. But it is permitted to put a marker on the grave so that the family and friends of the deceased will know where it is (and nothing more than this). However, this marker should not be a structure or anything else that is not allowed in sharee’ah.”


With regard to the prohibition on erecting structures over graves, it was narrated that Jabir said: “The Messenger of Allah forbade plastering over graves, sitting on them and erecting structures over them.” (Sahih Muslim, 970)


Al-Shawkani said:


“The phrase ‘erecting structures over them’ indicates that it is Haram to build anything over a grave.”


Al-Shafi’i said:


“I saw the imams in Makkah ordering that what had been built (over graves) was to be knocked down.”


Shaykh Muhammad Salih al-Munajjid says:


“With regard to the command to knock down structures that have been built over graves, that is proven in the Sunnah.”


It was narrated that Abu’l-Hayaaj al-Asadi said: Ali ibn Abi Talib said to me: “Shall I not send you on the same mission as the Messenger of Allah sent me? Do not leave any statue without erasing it, and do not leave any raised grave without leveling it.” (Sahih Muslim, 969).


Al-Shawkani said:


“The words ‘do not leave any raised grave without leveling it’ means that the Sunnah is that a grave should not be made very high, and there should be no differentiation between those who were virtuous and those who were not virtuous.”


Shaykh Muhammad Salih al-Munajjid says:


“Making a grave higher than the amount that is permitted is Haram…The making graves high that is mentioned in the Hadith especially includes the domes and shrines that are built over graves, and the taking of graves as places of worship. The Prophet cursed those who do that (refer to Nayl al-Awtaar, 4/130).”


All of these pagan shrines should be torn down and removed. Instead, all of the dead should have flat and level graves equal to everyone else. This is the faith of Islam. For the one who cannot accept this, he has deviated away from the path of the Hanif (i.e. the monotheists) and inclined himself towards the Mushriks.

[AliFazel]

Originally Posted by Hanbali

You talk from two sides of your mouth.

You call towards unity but notice where you say "Muslim unity is necessary not because of attacks from outside BUT because of attacks from the inside."

And then you post links against the Hanbalis, i.e. salafiyyah. Then would you say that we too call for "Muslim unity" in order to repel the shias, i.e. the threat from the inside, as you say.

Look, you should think more and not let your emotion take over.
When I said attacks from inside - what do you think I mean?
Ever tried to find out - Don’t you think, it would have been better to ask questions?

These are modern times and lot of study and use of space age technology goes into wars and confrontations.

The main issue is – to destroy ISLAM – the enemy knows that It has to destroy the foundation of Islam

That is :-
(1) alienate the Muslim people from their history and their roots.
(2) Lower the respect they have for their leader (Muhammad (saw))
(3) destroy their Sharia (distort the Islamic teachings.)
(4) Divide them so that they end up destroying themselves or keep busy while they can destroy us..

To do this they need to penetrate our system.

Bribe our leaders.
Plant their agents to pose as our Ulemah.
Use them to incite the Muslim people against each other.

We call towards Tawheed and you call towards shirk.

So on the one hand we have those people who call towards Tawheed, who remove the shrines and structures that are above graves. Whereas on the other hand we have those who crawl for miles on their stomachs, just to visit the shrines and make to do Shirk.

I called for unity of all Muslimeen – I did not call for unity with agents of our enemies or those who foolishly without realizing do their bidding.

You are stupid if you think that removing the shrines and destroying the sites of historic importance and turning people towards ignorance (by alienating them from their History and Islamic heritage) is contributing to Islam. – You are destroying Islam every trace of it – You are helping the west destroy us.

DON’T FOOL YOURSELF INTO BELIVING THAT YOU ARE INVITING PEOPLE TOWARDS TAWHEED. --- There is not one Muslim faction in this world that believes in God other than Allah --- Nobody prays to the occupants of the grave – Nobody considers them as deities. – SO WHAT STUPIDITY IS THIS?

You want to attack the grave of Prophet (saw) remove it from the masjid – and you come out saying you are Muslims?

It is a part of our faith to raze shrines to the ground and level the graves. Maybe the westerners will cry about this, and cry about how 'historical buildings' are being removed, but we say that this is a part of the removal of shirk, and our religion is not about buildings. It is about worshiping the One God, transcendent above the skies, Who cannot be removed.

THANKS FOR ADMITING THE TRUTH - This is why you hate being called wahabis - How many sunnis here want to see the graves of khalifs and prophet Muhammad raised to the ground. Westerners do not cry about it – they want you to do it --- It serves George bush and the pentagon best if you wipe out all the indications and land marks of Islam – Its hurting us because our future generation will not know if prophet (saw) ever existed or all this was a fiction – they want know the history of Islam.

Shaykh Muhammad Salih al-Munajjid says:
Author: Shaikh Muhammad Salih al-Munajjid
Publisher: Daar us-Sunnah Publishers (2003 CE, 1423 AH)

“Islam forbids erecting ………………..

With regard to the prohibition on erecting structures over graves, it was narrated that Jabir said: “The Messenger of Allah forbade plastering over graves, sitting on them and erecting structures over them.” (Sahih Muslim, 970)

Al-Shawkani said: Muhammad ash-Shawkani (1759-1834 CE [1])

“The phrase ‘erecting structures over them’ indicates that it is Haram to build anything over a grave.”


Al-Shafi’i said:
“I saw the imams in Makkah ordering that what had been built (over graves) was to be knocked down.”


Shaykh Muhammad Salih al-Munajjid says:
“With regard to the command to knock down structures that have been built over graves, that is proven in the Sunnah.”

It was narrated that Abu’l-Hayaaj al-Asadi said: Ali ibn Abi Talib said to me: “Shall I not send you on the same mission as the Messenger of Allah sent me? Do not leave any statue without erasing it, and do not leave any raised grave without leveling it.” (Sahih Muslim, 969).

Al-Shawkani said:

“The words ‘do not leave any raised grave without ………………………….”

Shaykh Muhammad Salih al-Munajjid says:


“Making a grave higher than the amount that is permitted is Haram…The making graves high that is mentioned …………………………


All of these pagan shrines should be torn down and removed. Instead, all of the dead should have flat and level graves equal to everyone else. This is the faith of Islam. For the one who cannot accept this, he has deviated away from the path of the Hanif (i.e. the monotheists) and inclined himself towards the Mushriks.

You said you were inviting people to TAWHEED --- but actually you are inviting people towards SHEIKH WORSHIP. This sheikh said this and this sheikh said that …. What do we care?

Who are these sheikhs anyway?– for all, we know they may be devils in the garb of Ulemah? They come and go. Some sheikh say one thing and the other will give a totally opposite ruling. Remember, these people were not living during the timesof Prophet(saw). Why dont you argue with quran anf hadith only.

What is important to us is Allah (swt) and the respect of Prophet (saw). It is important for us to follow Prophet (saw) and Qur’an.

Even Hadith is looked upon as tools to understand Qur’an and Sheriah – We scrutinize Hadith for authenticity. There is one Hadith that says one thing and five more contradicting it --- So we do not pick up any Hadith and start following it.

And you say this says this and that sheikh says that ---- There are Ulemah in this world who do not agree with your sheikhs. So? Just because they are the football team you support they are correct because you say so.

THE DESTRUCTION AND DESECRATION OF MAKKAH AND MADINA'S SITES
In the holy city of Madinah many original sites which were preserved by caliphates to further honour our beloved Prophet (PBUH) have been either removed or modified. One example is the name of the Prophet (PBUH) being removed from the golden door leading to the grave of our Prophet (PBUH) and replacing it with Allah's name "Majid" only - the name has been written in such a way to look like "Muhammad".

Your sheikhs are more knowledgable than the khalifs of the early times - AND you call yourselves SUNNI?
And you are the ones who accusr us of Taqya - Here why don't you openly come and tell the people theathese khalif mean nothing to you.





This post is getting too lengthy ….. I will deal with the other issue raised in future post if I get the opportunity.