[AliFazel]

Originally Posted by Bluestar

Jews do not equate to Zionists

Originally Posted by Revert

The vast majority of Jews support Israel. Theres only that one site Jews against Zionism, its fringe minority as far as i am aware.

Originally Posted by Variable

The question is now, does support for Israel equate to Zionism? To me, supporting Israel today doesn't equal zionism, - supporting settlers and those who want to see expansion into 'greater Israel' do.

Originally Posted by Variable

I suppose... but if support for Israel's right to exist today makes one a Zionist, then count me in too. At round table discussions and in seminars though, it would seem to me that the word 'zionist' tends to refer to those who have expansionary goals from the current status quo.

Allah (swt) has warned us against them.

5:51 O YOU who have attained to faith! Do not take the jews and the Christians for your allies: they are but allies of one another and whoever of you allies himself with them becomes, verily, one of them; behold, God does not guide such evildoers.

5:82 Thou wilt surely find that, of all people, the most hostile to those who believe [in this divine writ] are the jews as well as those who are bent on ascribing divinity to aught beside God; and thou wilt surely find that, of all people, they who say, "Behold, we are Christians," come closest to feeling affection for those who believe [in this divine writ]: this is so because there are priests and monks among them, and because these are not given to arrogance.

2:120 For, never will the jews be pleased with thee. nor yet the Christians, unless thou follow their own creeds. Say: "Behold, God's guidance is the only true guidance." And, indeed, if thou shouldst follow their errant views after all the knowledge that has come unto thee. thou wouldst have none to protect thee from God, and none to bring thee succour.

[Bluestar]

pimping up your own crusade?

[rahat]

I have nothing against Jews or Judaism - however, to openly announce that you would rather work with Jews against other Muslims, that you would rather watch Palestinians murdered, killed, and burned to death, when the majority of Jews are either supporting Israeli murder of palestinians, or financing it with donations, when this thread starts with a news article about a missile attack from Israel on Pal govt offices...

Thats just a taste of what Wahabism offers.

Every Shia knows that Palestine's Muslims are 99% Sunni. We have no illusions that theres some Shia group there for any reason. We just believe that they are Muslims and no one should kill them, and that anyone who supports their killers is the same as someone who holds a gun in their hand.

And that anyone who is like that should go straight to hell. I challenge anyone to tell me they are Muslim and that they disagree with that last statement.

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rahat

[Bluestar]

Originally Posted by rahat

Thats just a taste of what Wahabism offers.

You haven't seen the 'buy one get on free' aisle, whoa!

[Salahadeen]

Originally Posted by rahat

I have nothing against Jews or Judaism - however, to openly announce that you would rather work with Jews against other Muslims, that you would rather watch Palestinians murdered, killed, and burned to death, when the majority of Jews are either supporting Israeli murder of palestinians, or financing it with donations, when this thread starts with a news article about a missile attack from Israel on Pal govt offices...

Thats just a taste of what Wahabism offers.

Rahat, you have claimed that some "Wahhabi" has "openly announced" that:

1) They would rather work with Jews against other Muslims (rather than work with Shi`as)
2) That they would rather watch Palestinians murdered, killed, and burned to death

Please provide the proof of your two lies, my friend.

Which Wahhabi has said any of this?

As for Brother Ibn Abdullah, first of all he never said any of that, and second of all--most important of all--is that he is not a "Wahhabi" at all. Perhaps the most important litmus test of who is and who is not a Salafi is the question "where is Allah", and he does not answer with the Salafi response...he does not have Salafi aqeedah at all.

So therefore, your accusation against Wahhabis is unjustified and retarded. You are a hate-mongerer and melodrama queen.

[Bluestar]

Let's think before we post, i don't want to ban anymore people today, i'm sure none of the other mods want to either.

These sunni/shi'a threads have been constantly resulting in useless slurring and insulting. Enough warnings have been given and repeat offenders will be sent to coventry for a very long time.

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by Bluestar

Let's think before we post, i don't want to ban anymore people today, i'm sure none of the other mods want to either.

These sunni/shi'a threads have been constantly resulting in useless slurring and insulting. Enough warnings have been given and repeat offenders will be sent to coventry for a very long time.

I find this to be a pretty disturbing double standard. One can be banned for using the term "rafidhi," but the pejorative term "wahhabi" is considered to be perfectly OK?!

Feedback & questions thread on this -

http://www.islamicaweb.com/forums/fe...-standard.html

[Revert]

Originally Posted by Bluestar

Let's think before we post, i don't want to ban anymore people today, i'm sure none of the other mods want to either.

These sunni/shi'a threads have been constantly resulting in useless slurring and insulting. Enough warnings have been given and repeat offenders will be sent to coventry for a very long time.

HEY! Thats not fair, no one deserves to be sent to Coventry....its full of stab happy chavs.

[AliFazel]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

I find this to be a pretty disturbing double standard. One can be banned for using the term "rafidhi," but the pejorative term "wahhabi" is considered to be perfectly OK?!

Feedback & questions thread on this -

http://www.islamicaweb.com/forums/fe...-standard.html

bro - dont you see the difference between the two

"wahhabi means- the follower of the ideology of Muhammad ibn-Abd-al-Wahab
Like 'jaffery' are follower, on the line of Imam Jafer as sadiq (a).
other examples are hambali, shafie, maliki and hanafi.

where as 'Rafidhi' - means those who rebelled or revolted.

Shias can use this term, for those who rejected the orders of Prophet (saw) at Ghadeer Qumm.

So best stick with Jafery - Unless you want to sound offensive. )

[Jetmir]

I guess the major scholars of the early muslims would be banned from Islamica for using that word as well.

Imam ash-Shafi, On one occasion ash-Shaafi`ee said concerning the Shi`ites, "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Raafidite Shi`ites." [Ibn Taymeeyah, Minhaaj as-Sunnah an-Nabawiyyah, 1/39] On another occasion he said, "Narrate knowledge from everyone you meet except the Raafidite Shi`ites, because they invent Hadeeths and adopt them as part of their religion." [Ibid, p. 38]

Imam Malik, Once Maalik was asked about them and he replied, "Do not speak to them nor narrate from them, for surely they are liars." [Minhaaj as-Sunnah, 1/37] During a class of Imaam Maalik, it was mentioned that the Raafidite Shi`ites curse the Sahaabah. In reply, he quoted the Quranic verse, "Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah and those with him are harsh with the disbelievers and gentle among themselves. So that the disbelievers may become enraged with them." He then said, "Whoever becomes enraged when the Sahaabah are mentioned is one about whom the verse speaks." [Tafseeer al-Qurtubee, Soorah al-Fath; Editors note: That is, anyone who is enraged by the mention of the Sahaabah is a disbeliever, because the verse says, "the disbelievers may become enraged with them (Sahaabah)."]

ibn al-Mubarak, Ibn al-Mubaarak was reported to have said, "Religion is gained from Ahl al-Hadeeth, scholastic theology and crafty exemptions from religious ordinances of Ahl ar-Ray and lies from the Raafidite Shi`ites." [Adh-Dhahabee, al Muntaqaa min Minhaaj al-I`tidaal, p. 48

[AliFazel]

Originally Posted by Jetmir

I guess the major scholars of the early muslims would be banned from Islamica for using that word as well.

Christian priest and leaders hate Islam
And look at the attacks they come up with.
The only reason, is that, they can never live up to the challenge from Islam.

When scholars are faced with challenge their ego is hurts.
And they come up with such statements.

--- We have been told that we have different Qur’an - But to date no person has been able to produces that mysterious Qur’an.
--- We have been told that we hate the arch angel Gibrael for delivering the prophet hood to Prophet Muhammad in stead of Ali - BUT- to-date no person has been able to produce any evidence from our literature.
--- They say we are grave worshipers - They forget that to be a grave worshiper one has to accept the person in the grave as deity. There no such belief amongst us.
--- We have been told that we are idol worshipers - BUT Those who accuse us of this could not produce one Idol as evidence.
--- They even accuse us of having killed the great grandson of prophet (SAW) just to hide the I.D. of the real personalities who ordered and carried out this massacre.


AND SUPRISINGLY WE ARE REFERED TO AS LIARS
BUT THOSE WHO LIE AGAINST US ARE NOT

Simple test

PLEASE prove those lies that we are supposed to have said.

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Just so that Muslim people do not unite Shaitan will come with obstacles from all direction.

[TrentReznor858]

Originally Posted by AliFazel

--- They say we are grave worshipers - They forget that to be a grave worshiper one has to accept the person in the grave as deity. There no such belief amongst us.
n.

Muslims in general make pilgrimages to graves....I would say visiting these graves is a form of worship.

[YOUSUFofSD]

Originally Posted by TrentReznor858

Muslims in general make pilgrimages to graves....I would say visiting these graves is a form of worship.

what graves are you talking about? Prophet Mohammed's grave?

[TrentReznor858]

Originally Posted by YOUSUFofSD

what graves are you talking about? Prophet Mohammed's grave?

That is one example, but there are various imams and scholars that people from all countries visit. Shias go to where Hassan and Hussein were killed, etc;